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Old 10-07-2016, 16:45
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There won't be a penalty. The communication was on safety grounds to prevent a catastrophic failure. Mercedes will take them to court if they even try to pull any stunts in the UK to help their darling Lewis.
It was 'stuck' in 7th gear, so not dangerous slow to a stop and pull off the circuit ! ..unlike bits flying off his car last week, but they got away with that, then in Baku, when Lewis had 'gearbox' issue, they said, we cant advise you Lewis...........
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Old 10-07-2016, 17:34
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At least C4 didn't do a BT with the 3 person commentary team.
You'll be surprised to say by this comment though because C4 is not the first lot to try a 3 man commentary out of the UK broadcasters, BBC Radio 5 Live have done a 3 man commentary team for some races including Russia and this race. Russia had Nichols, Gallagher and Clarkson in the box whilst today had Nichols, McNish and Clarkson in the commentary box.
My opinion is that a 3 man commentary works if you use the correct people, a commentary of Croft, Hill and Herby would go down in flames in pretty much every forum site. It will basically be the equivalent of Fletch, Owe and Sav... Here's a team that will work:
C4: Edwards, Coulthard, Webber
Sky: Croft, Brundle Davidson/Di Resta
Infact i'm surprised Davidson hasn't been given a promotion considering he has be fantastic on the Skypad when available.
I'm quite surprised that BBC put Clarkson up in the box, I would have thought with Gow's pregnancy getting quite far along they would have her standing by in the pen with Tom doing the running around the pits.
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Old 10-07-2016, 17:44
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Nor am I particularly but there was plenty else to enjoy in this race. Not least a storming drive from Verstappen.
Yeah, MV drove brilliantly today and I was impressed with both Force India drivers, too. But overall, I wasn't all that bothered with the race. Will watch it again with the Sky coverage during the week.
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Old 10-07-2016, 18:22
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10 Second time penalty for Rosberg - Drops to 3rd in the official race result
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Old 10-07-2016, 18:49
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Diabolical decision will be appealed surely?
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Old 10-07-2016, 18:50
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Diabolical decision will be appealed surely?
Erm, why "diabolical"? The default message was allowed, the one telling him how to avoid 7th wasn't - presumably the "alone and unaided" bit requires the driver to figure out the latter for himself.

They have entered an appeal FWIW:
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/me...enalty-797656/
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Old 10-07-2016, 18:55
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Break the rules and occur a fairly innocuous ten-second penalty, or don't break the rules and suffer a potential retirement? I think I know what I'd do.
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Old 10-07-2016, 19:02
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Poor race. Disgusted at the safety car start. Red tape gone all mad.
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Old 10-07-2016, 19:03
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I think it'll be overturned on appeal. There are specific clauses that clearly state radio communication is permitted in safety situations, where a car may be about to fail. It just feels like a British stewarding penalty designed to help Hamilton.
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Old 10-07-2016, 19:11
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Diabolical decision will be appealed surely?
Oh for god sake.....

No, it was clearly breaking the silly rules, but it is breaking the rules, so please eh!
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Old 10-07-2016, 19:12
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I think it'll be overturned on appeal. There are specific clauses that clearly state radio communication is permitted in safety situations, where a car may be about to fail. It just feels like a British stewarding penalty designed to help Hamilton.
Well word has it that these types of penalties can't be appealed anyway, apparently.

As for the conspiracy theory... smh.
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Old 10-07-2016, 19:22
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It just feels like a British stewarding penalty designed to help Hamilton.
Yes, because without the 10 second Penalty, Hamilton will now clearly win the race...

*rolls eyes*
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Old 10-07-2016, 19:24
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Well word has it that these types of penalties can't be appealed anyway, apparently.

As for the conspiracy theory... smh.
Mercedes have appealed.
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Old 10-07-2016, 19:24
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Yes, because without the 10 second Penalty, Hamilton will now clearly win the race...

*rolls eyes*
It's 3 extra points for Hamilton in the championship. A nice bonus for him.
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Old 10-07-2016, 19:29
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Pleased that my suggestion of using Mark Webber during the race by Ch4/WF was acted upon, seems to have had a good response.

Le Mans 2016 had a similar prolonged start behind the safety car, this was due to standing water collecting in the ridged kerbs, resulting in the cars aquaplaning straight off the track during free practice. I think people have forgotten Nurburging 2007 where Hamilton, Rosberg and a load of other drivers sailed off the circuit at the same turn.

Enjoyed listening to Jack and Allan today when I had some chores to do. Jack was a bit cheeky to say 'you're a fool!' if you switch over to listen to the tennis on 5live. I'll watch the Ch4 highlights later, hopefully.

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Old 10-07-2016, 19:29
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Mercedes have appealed.
Wrong!
They have informed the FIA they intend to appeal but are to consider if they will or not, as per the rules, something you seem to be clueless on!
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Old 10-07-2016, 19:44
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Wrong!
They have informed the FIA they intend to appeal but are to consider if they will or not, as per the rules, something you seem to be clueless on!
There's no way this decision will stand up. Toto explained Mercedes decision very clearly on Sky and there is no doubt the communication is within the guidelines. If they really can't appeal it then that really is disgusting.
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Old 10-07-2016, 20:16
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There's no way this decision will stand up. Toto explained Mercedes decision very clearly on Sky and there is no doubt the communication is within the guidelines. If they really can't appeal it then that really is disgusting.
Telling Rosberg to avoid 7th gear and to shift through it is a clear violation of the rules!
Deal with it
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Old 10-07-2016, 20:16
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I think people have forgotten Nurburging 2007 where Hamilton, Rosberg and a load of other drivers sailed off the circuit at the same turn
That happened because the downpour happened after the race had already started and everyone sailed on because they were on slicks. And would probably have happened again today had the downpour not been before the start, but that meant they knew it would be wet tyres.

Even if a SC start was justified today (not sure it was, as others have said it was not exactly the wettest we've ever seen a session even in recent times let alone historically) it only needed a couple of laps for the drivers to see where the water was worst.

As ever it seems clear to me that the barometer is if everyone is ditching their inters as soon as the SC comes in then the SC stayed out too long.

On a segue, can't help feeling F1's been unlucky the past two weekends. Both Austria and Britain had epic rounds of the GP2 where it started raining but not heavily enough to warrant inters/wets, so they had to scrabble around on slicks which made for extremely exciting racing. But for timing that could have happened in the F1 races, but it didn't, so we got a reasonably exciting race without ever actually being a classic.
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Old 10-07-2016, 20:48
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On a segue, can't help feeling F1's been unlucky the past two weekends. Both Austria and Britain had epic rounds of the GP2 where it started raining but not heavily enough to warrant inters/wets, so they had to scrabble around on slicks which made for extremely exciting racing. But for timing that could have happened in the F1 races, but it didn't, so we got a reasonably exciting race without ever actually being a classic.
That's a good argument for rock hard tyres with little grip, lots of understeer and oversteer, no marbles off the racing line - good for overtaking.
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Old 11-07-2016, 00:01
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Did Ben just say that 6th was Perez best result?
Really?
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Old 11-07-2016, 01:07
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Did Ben just say that 6th was Perez best result?
Really?
Best race result for British GP's? Previous best was 7th in 2011.
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Old 11-07-2016, 07:16
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Telling Rosberg to avoid 7th gear and to shift through it is a clear violation of the rules!
Deal with it
Agree, there is no grounds for an appeal, the first message was allowed, as it was within the rules, the second was purely guidance, and 'not' allowed, there was not a safety issue relating to the second message, if it was, then the could have advised Hamilton a couple of weeks ago, but then they said 'sorry Lewis not allowed' !
However, its not Nico's fault, surely the penalty should come off the constructors points ?
( and enough to make a difference, not a token 5 or 10 points !)
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Old 11-07-2016, 09:05
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Even if a SC start was justified today (not sure it was, as others have said it was not exactly the wettest we've ever seen a session even in recent times let alone historically) it only needed a couple of laps for the drivers to see where the water was worst.

As ever it seems clear to me that the barometer is if everyone is ditching their inters as soon as the SC comes in then the SC stayed out too long.
WHS. But if they'd done a normal start the drivers would have been able to see where it was wettest on the parade lap.

The other thing they could have done is simply delayed the start 10 minutes. I know they're under pressure not to do that, but if it allowed a proper start it would have made a better race.
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Old 11-07-2016, 09:41
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Am I right in thinking there's no way to watch entire races/sessions on demand from Sky, they only put up highlights?
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