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F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2016 Season
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mightymillie
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“Can we see BT Sport taking UK rights to FE or do we expect someone like Channel 4 to go for them?
Im curious what yous all think!”

Not a chance of Channel 4 going for them.
As I said before, Formula E is now 33% owned by Discovery. Expect it to appear on a Discovery-owned channel, like Quest or Eurosport.
mjr
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“Can we see BT Sport taking UK rights to FE or do we expect someone like Channel 4 to go for them?
Im curious what yous all think!”

It wouldn't surprise me if BT went for the live rights, as we know they wanted the F1 and they are trying to position themselves as a home of motorsport.

But I do think Channel 4 will be interested, particularly with the F1 live rights going away in a couple of years. I imagine they would like to retain the motorsports audience they've currently attracted, and would probably promote the series more than ITV managed to.
scardis
07-08-2016
It may well just be left to Youtube.
popeye13
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by mightymillie:
“Not a chance of Channel 4 going for them.
As I said before, Formula E is now 33% owned by Discovery. Expect it to appear on a Discovery-owned channel, like Quest or Eurosport.”

But Discovery having 33% equity in the company doesn't make the rights theirs.
They'll want as much money for them as they can get and if BT were to plob a decent offer on the table, d fully expect that to be taken.
They stepped in to screen a race live when ITV wouldn't/couldn't, something they didn't have to do and that to me atleast says they have an interest

You might be right about C4, but they have been going for rights in recent months.

Also, what about Dave?
_SpeedRacer_
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by mightymillie:
“Not a chance of Channel 4 going for them.
As I said before, Formula E is now 33% owned by Discovery. Expect it to appear on a Discovery-owned channel, like Quest or Eurosport.”

But if they want the sport to grow, it's never going to happen on those channels.

So for their investment it may be better to seek out someone like the BBC.
mightymillie
07-08-2016
When was the last time the BBC covered any motor racing that wasn't F1?

Yes, the organisers want the sport to grow, but they can't force broadcasters to show it. Channel 4 and Channel 5 will both have seen that Formula E is not getting any significant audience on ITV, and the small audience that does exist is falling rather than growing.

BT may want it, depending on whether they can schedule it. But I can't see them paying for it.

Which is why Eurosport or Quest seems like the most obvious outlet: if you are giving the rights away for nothing, you may as well give them to a channel you own.
Hacker Harrier
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by mightymillie:
“When was the last time the BBC covered any motor racing that wasn't F1?”

Motorbike road racing in Northern Ireland 'North West 200', May 2016.

I think these dates are roughly correct: Moto GP 2013. WSB/BSB 2005-ish. WRC 2001. BTCC 2001. ChampCar race at Rockingham 2001.
mightymillie
07-08-2016
Originally Posted by Hacker Harrier:
“Motorbike road racing in Northern Ireland 'North West 200', May 2016.

I think these dates are roughly correct: Moto GP 2013. WSB/BSB 2005-ish. WRC 2001. BTCC 2001. ChampCar race at Rockingham 2001.”

...so 15 years since they last showed any non-F1 motor racing (as opposed to motor cycling).
Hacker Harrier
07-08-2016
Fairly sure it's been F1 or nothing for the BBC management in terms of car racing in recent times. Even GP2 was offloaded to Eurosport (?) for 2009.
aberboy
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by Hacker Harrier:
“Motorbike road racing in Northern Ireland 'North West 200', May 2016.

I think these dates are roughly correct: Moto GP 2013. WSB/BSB 2005-ish. WRC 2001. BTCC 2001. ChampCar race at Rockingham 2001.”

The BBC had the GP Masters event in 2003 in South Africa too. Even bought M Walker out for comms duty.
aberboy
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by Hacker Harrier:
“Fairly sure it's been F1 or nothing for the BBC management in terms of car racing in recent times. Even GP2 was offloaded to Eurosport (?) for 2009.”

GP2 went to Setanta Sports until they went under when Eurosport picked it up quickly and cheaply. Setanta had Irish rights to F1 at the time. (And still do as eirSport)

Martin Haven in Eurosport's first race back admitted he had 'no clue as who is in what car and what they look like.' Hes been using that excuse ever since
Hacker Harrier
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by aberboy:
“The BBC had the GP Masters event in 2003 in South Africa too. Even bought M Walker out for comms duty.”

Looks like it was 2005. The short-lived series went to Sky for 2006. https://youtu.be/VbnvYONIo54 Thanks to a regular poster on here for the video.

My favorite part of the GP Masters article on Wikipedia:
Quote:
“Controversy
There were questions surrounding the fitness of the former Formula One stars who ended up competing in the series. Participant Christian Danner questioned the ability of 1980 World Champion Alan Jones and former GP winner Patrick Tambay in particular, given the rapid expansion of these drivers' waistlines since retiring from racing. Jones hit back claiming the only time Danner had seen a Grand Prix podium was when he passed it on the way to the lavatory. Jones' lack of fitness at the first GP Masters event might suggest Danner's assessment had some merit.”

mjr
08-08-2016
GP Masters, now that brings back memories! I went to the Silverstone race in 2006, all the hype was around Mansell so fate would have it that his car broke down before the race. They get it going eventually so he did some parade laps whilst the race was going on. I didn't have Sky back then so don't think I've ever seen the broadcast.
stefmeister
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by mjr:
“GP Masters, now that brings back memories! I went to the Silverstone race in 2006, all the hype was around Mansell so fate would have it that his car broke down before the race. They get it going eventually so he did some parade laps whilst the race was going on. I didn't have Sky back then so don't think I've ever seen the broadcast.”

I've put all the races up on Youtube including the Silverstone one:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...tLzPkEwaRE96qP

There seemed to be a lot of nostalgia around that time as DTM tried to run a legends race at the Norisring in 2005 (With I believe plans for more) but ended up having some problems getting the insurance sorted so turned it into more of a time trial event.

Nigel Mansell, Emmerson Fittipaldi, Alain Prost, Johnny Cecotto, Jody Scheckter & Mick Doohan were the drivers that took part.

I also have that up on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cfXc0MICdI
mightymillie
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by aberboy:
“The BBC had the GP Masters event in 2003 in South Africa too. Even bought M Walker out for comms duty.”

It wasn't live though.
Hacker Harrier
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by mightymillie:
“It wasn't live though.”

So is your question, When was the last time BBC TV showed non-F1 car racing live? I'm guessing it must have been the penultimate BTCC round in 2000 (the final round was a night race) or the live super special stage on Rally GB (2000?).
WillButcher
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by mightymillie:
“Not a chance of Channel 4 going for them.
As I said before, Formula E is now 33% owned by Discovery. Expect it to appear on a Discovery-owned channel, like Quest or Eurosport.”

Out of Quest or Eurosport I don't know which one would be best. Quest would get the higher viewing numbers but the picture quality is dreadful, Eurosport is in HD but is behind a paywall.
Personally I would prefer Eurosport as I have it in HD as part of my sub, although I will probably be watching it via the app next season.

Discovery really need to pull their finger out and launch Quest HD. It is an embarrassment that a channel that shows so much new content is SD only.

Originally Posted by scardis:
“It may well just be left to Youtube.”

Youtube wouldn't be so bad, I watched one of the races on there last year when ITV were showing the race delayed instead of live, and it worked well.
mjr
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by stefmeister:
“I've put all the races up on Youtube including the Silverstone one:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...tLzPkEwaRE96qP

There seemed to be a lot of nostalgia around that time as DTM tried to run a legends race at the Norisring in 2005 (With I believe plans for more) but ended up having some problems getting the insurance sorted so turned it into more of a time trial event.

Nigel Mansell, Emmerson Fittipaldi, Alain Prost, Johnny Cecotto, Jody Scheckter & Mick Doohan were the drivers that took part.

I also have that up on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cfXc0MICdI”

Thanks stefmeister, I'll definitely give that a watch!

The only two things I currently remember of that event are Mansell's non-participation, and me being unexpectedly stung by a wasp during the race. Actually somewhere I must have some photos of the event, I'll have to see if I can dig them out.

Amazing it's been ten years since that race... almost to the day in fact... and I've no idea where they time has gone.
mjr
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“But if they want the sport to grow, it's never going to happen on those channels.

So for their investment it may be better to seek out someone like the BBC.”

It'd be an interesting strategy if they just offered the Formula E rights to the BBC for free. There would be a big potential audience available, which would certainly be useful to help grow the series.

The BBC would probably love something with green credentials, filling a bit of the gap left by the F1, and not having to spend big for the rights. It would take a bit of faith, but would probably be quite beneficial for both sides.
solarflare
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by mjr:
“The only two things I currently remember of that event are Mansell's non-participation, and me being unexpectedly stung by a wasp during the race. Actually somewhere I must have some photos of the event”

The race or the wasp sting?
mjr
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by solarflare:
“The race or the wasp sting? ”

Photos of that would only embolden the wasp to do it again so it remained photographically undocumented. Unless there's any footage of me engaged in battle with the damn thing on the broadcast coverage. I'll be sure to post a timecode if there is
mightymillie
08-08-2016
Originally Posted by mjr:
“It'd be an interesting strategy if they just offered the Formula E rights to the BBC for free. There would be a big potential audience available, which would certainly be useful to help grow the series.

The BBC would probably love something with green credentials, filling a bit of the gap left by the F1, and not having to spend big for the rights. It would take a bit of faith, but would probably be quite beneficial for both sides.”

But what's in it for the BBC?
I'm sure Formula E would like being live on BBC1, but it's not going to happen.
Hacker Harrier
08-08-2016
There is the Chris Hoy documentary expected to be shown on BBC 2 on 11/9/2016.

BBC Press Release:
Quote:
“Sir Chris Hoy: From Velodrome To Le Mans (working title)

This new film tells the story of Britain’s most successful Olympic athlete of all time, Sir Chris Hoy, and his quest to realise his boyhood dream.

Chris retired from cycling in 2013, and this documentary follows his attempts to fulfill his childhood dream – to compete in the most famous endurance motor race in the world: Le Mans 24 hours.

This observational documentary, shot over four years, joins Chris as he tries to master a completely new sport and ultimately race wheel-to-wheel at 200 mph against the fastest professional endurance drivers in the world.

Following him from his first ever motor race, to competing in the legendary Le Mans 24hrs, Chris attempts to fast-track his transformation from cyclist to racing driver in the four years between London 2012 and the Rio Olympics in 2016. Chris will give a unique, insider’s view of one of the fastest, most exciting and glamorous sports on the planet, and along the way, the film reveals a personal side to Chris not seen before.

His wife Sarra talks openly about how she feels about her ultra-competitive husband taking on one of the most dangerous sports in the world. Just when she thought the world of competition was over, he’s embarked on a huge new challenge.

Sir Chris Hoy: From Velodrome To Le Mans (working title), a 1x60’ for BBC Two, is made by Grant Wardrop Productions and the commissioning editor is Jamie Balment, BBC Documentaries.”

stefmeister
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by mjr:
“The only two things I currently remember of that event are Mansell's non-participation, and me being unexpectedly stung by a wasp during the race.”

From memory the reason for that was that after the round at Qatar (Which was a Safety Car dominated joke BTW) the engine supplier changed some things on the engine which resulted in oil seals leaking & over 30 engines changes been required through practice. Mansell had more engine issues than most so got virtually no running in practice, He had another issues in qualifying so didn't set a time & although he managed to do a few laps in the race the car setup was so 'wrong' he felt it was unsafe to carry on.


Random note, The car GPM used was actually a modified Reynard CART/Champcar & that is one of my all time favorite looking cars.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ction_Hall.jpg

Don't think anything has come close to looking as good as that Reynard did.
Hacker Harrier
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by stefmeister:
“Random note, The car GPM used was actually a modified Reynard CART/Champcar & that is one of my all time favorite looking cars.”

I did wonder why there was a Reynard Champcar shape 2 seater in Santander bank livery several years ago (picture in the link below). It may have featured in the ITV F1 coverage some time in '08(?), with a British GP passenger ride as part of a competition prize.

jamesallenonf1.com - SANTANDER-TWO-SEATER-FORMULA-ONE-CAR
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