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F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2016 Season
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TheSubaru2012
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by lettice:
“What did he commentate on at Rio?
I watch Blancpain and cannot say I've ever noticed that he provided commentary on that.”

I believe he did Beach Volleyball for the World Feed at the Olympics.
kriZbii
04-09-2016
David Croft's commentary was awful today and it was a very easy race with little incident. He didn't notice Hamilton's bad start for ages and had constant nonsensical arguments with himself over strategy, claiming Bottas would struggle to go 22 laps on softs one second and thinking Verstappen could do 40 on the the next, then saying Ricciardo had to make super-softs go 25 laps when there were only 15 left. It almost made me miss Jonathan Legard.

Sky won't break up their matey team, but it'd be nice if they had a complete overhaul when they get exclusive rights and get the best person for each position. Croft would only be 3rd at best on the list of lead commentators.

Really don't think di Resta is up to much, too much sitting on the fence and refusing to offer an opinion on stuff and his technical analysis isn't that insightful. The one thing I did like about him was his willingness to criticise Charlie Whiting over not referring incidents to the stewards, something nobody else on either C4 or Sky seem to have the balls to do.
brundlebud
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by TheSubaru2012:
“Love the 360 degree cameras on the MotoGP bikes today, graphics and directions are excellent as always, they were very quick to show a 'Last Suzuki Win' at the finish of the race.”

Just no thanks to whomever didn't update the EPG to allow me to see the whole race...
stefmeister
04-09-2016
I wish BT would just take the US Pre-race show rather than using there own commentary as were seeing all the video for the NBC features/interviews with BT's own commentary that doesn't match.

I hope there not going to provide there own commentary throughout the whole race as they did back at the Road America. While the BT commentary itself wasn't awful we were missing a lot of the information from the US broadcast (Pit reports, Team radio, Strategy info) which made the race much harder to follow.
_SpeedRacer_
04-09-2016
Thought BE seemed to be trying hard not to get too excited at the start this time as he sounded very subdued compared to last weekend. Personally I prefer it when he is more animated even if it leads to a few mistakes occasionally!
The Scout
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by kriZbii:
“Croft would only be 3rd at best on the list of lead commentators.”

Who are the 2/3 people better suited to Sky F1's lead commentary role?
KolonelKlink
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“Thought BE seemed to be trying hard not to get too excited at the start this time as he sounded very subdued compared to last weekend.”

Yet when Button overtook Alonso for 11th or 12th place he went absolutely spare. Very odd.

RE: Jack Nicholls, also heard him on the world feed handball comms in Rio.
eladkse
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by stefmeister:
“I wish BT would just take the US Pre-race show rather than using there own commentary as were seeing all the video for the NBC features/interviews with BT's own commentary that doesn't match.

I hope there not going to provide there own commentary throughout the whole race as they did back at the Road America. While the BT commentary itself wasn't awful we were missing a lot of the information from the US broadcast (Pit reports, Team radio, Strategy info) which made the race much harder to follow.”

Texas Part 2 last week was rather different - no BT commentary at all, and breaks all coinciding with the US ones.

There were some oddities with the graphics at times for some reason. Some domestic graphics appearing at times instead of international.
technoflare
04-09-2016
Very annoying listening to EJ at the end going on about how well Nico has done in the last 2 races. In Spa Lewis started at the back and still came up 3rd (helped by the crashes but still a good result) and in this race Nico had an average start and failed to pull away for much of the race with no challenges from anyone, hardly a storming performance. Lewis has done well in both races, hampered by engine changes in Spa and a faulty start in Imola but fought back up. Even if Lewis was totally at fault for the start he is still the better driver and Nico has done nothing to show he any better..... EJ really does annoy me, why Whisper chose to keep him on i beyond me!
scardis
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by The Scout:
“Who are the 2/3 people better suited to Sky F1's lead commentary role?”

Probably means Jack Nichols or Ben Edwards.

From the coverage I've seen on C4 and Mix, I think the best coverage came from Sky Sport. No, not Sky Sports, Sky Sport. The Italian version really went to town with their home Grand Prix and it was impressive.
thestig88
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by kriZbii:
“David Croft's commentary was awful today and it was a very easy race with little incident. He didn't notice Hamilton's bad start for ages and had constant nonsensical arguments with himself over strategy, claiming Bottas would struggle to go 22 laps on softs one second and thinking Verstappen could do 40 on the the next, then saying Ricciardo had to make super-softs go 25 laps when there were only 15 left. It almost made me miss Jonathan Legard.

Sky won't break up their matey team, but it'd be nice if they had a complete overhaul when they get exclusive rights and get the best person for each position. Croft would only be 3rd at best on the list of lead commentators.

Really don't think di Resta is up to much, too much sitting on the fence and refusing to offer an opinion on stuff and his technical analysis isn't that insightful. The one thing I did like about him was his willingness to criticise Charlie Whiting over not referring incidents to the stewards, something nobody else on either C4 or Sky seem to have the balls to do.”

And to think people were craving for Crofty to be the TV commentator for BBC during the Legard days after "that" famous radio interference during the 2010 Japanese GP #LeroyJenkins
The Scout
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by scardis:
“From the coverage I've seen on C4 and Mix, I think the best coverage came from Sky Sport. No, not Sky Sports, Sky Sport. The Italian version really went to town with their home Grand Prix and it was impressive.”

You've seen three different channels' full coverage in one day?
stevvy1986
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by technoflare:
“ in this race Nico had an average start and failed to pull away for much of the race with no challenges from anyone, hardly a storming performance. Lewis has done well in both races, hampered by engine changes in Spa and a faulty start in Imola but fought back up.”

Apart from it being Monza, not Imola (though given the talk of Imola getting the race in the last few weeks I can see why that mistake may be made), Rosberg was pulling comfortably away from everyone today and at no point really had to go full bananas.

Had he gone as quick as he could for the whole race he'd have likely finished 30-45 seconds ahead of the 2 Ferrari's, and as for not really being challenged by Hamilton, well he had no reason to go full bananas as by the time he got up to 2nd place, the only thing that was going to cost Rosberg the win was a mistake or the car breaking down.

Had Hamilton had a 'normal' start the 2 of them may have gone quicker as they'd have been trying to beat each other, but realistically, Rosberg, just like in Belgium (but more so today) had no reason to go another 0.5-1.0s faster a lap. He had the race won basically by turn 1 and knew that nobody could truly challenge him. That's not his fault.
technoflare
04-09-2016
Most annoyed with myself for getting the venue wrong! I agree that Nico could have gone faster but I would have expected him to pull away a bit more early on but towards the end he did all he needed to. I'm not taking anything away from Nico, he has done all he needed to in the last 2 races it's just not fair in my opinion to label this has a resurgence for him, he as not been tested. Will be interesting to see what Merc make of the start problems Lewis had. Still thinks this championship is Lewis's to loose if the cars remain reliable
geo_bay
04-09-2016
I am getting bored of Croft. He just doesn't generate excitement or absorb you into the coverage. The way he shouts at the top of his voice for an overtake and is constantly trying to be clever with endless cliches and jokes is tired a boring after a few years.

Also, the 'fake' stutter is really annoying and cringe worthy. Once you've noticed it you can't 'un-notice' it it's almost every other sentence and seems to be spreading amongst some tv personalities.

I'd rather have just Brundle on his own commentating who always offers more than if there was no commentary. Or if you must have two, get Ted in the box or better still get him to present the show to get rid of Lazenby who also doesn't have a clue about the sport.

Personally I would have fired him (Lazenby) for that disgraceful 'joke' he made live on air about Grace Kelly whilst in Monaco a few years back.
Ellie666
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by geo_bay:
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Personally I would have fired him (Lazenby) for that disgraceful 'joke' he made live on air about Grace Kelly whilst in Monaco a few years back.”

Thank god it was not you in charge then, as if they were all like you we would have an extremely sanitised TV environment where everybody was too scared to say anything, lest they offend a single person.
The Scout
04-09-2016
Not sure if I'm getting bored of Sky's coverage or F1 in general... or both.

Is it me or are Sky struggling to come up with pre-show content? It feels to me like something needs a shake-up.

I'm in the habit of only tuning in for the race now and recording the rest of the coverage to watch in segments later during the week, but even that I'm struggling to find the motivation to do so.
Ellie666
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by The Scout:
“Not sure if I'm getting bored of Sky's coverage or F1 in general... or both.

Is it me or are Sky struggling to come up with pre-show content? It feels to me like something needs a shake-up.

I'm in the habit of only tuning in for the race now and recording the rest of the coverage to watch in segments later during the week, but even that I'm struggling to find the motivation to do so.”

I think we've just been too spoil with our f1 coverage, especially the last 4 years or so, having 2 broadcasters fighting for each others viewers.

The trouble with all that is that everything has been so covered too death there is not much new to go over and if like myself you've not missed a single race on TV since 1996 (abroad in 95!!) then there's nothing too excite you anymore.

For the last 3 years at least I never watch live, purely for the fact that I can wind the boring bits, again though the trouble is though boring bits are getting more and more often.
popeye13
04-09-2016
I thought C4 did a decent job today. Love they rip the piss out of EJ at any given chance and i honestly think that says alot about what people think of him, which isn't much in terms of F1 as a whole!
The podium interview was just a mess! You had him trying to talk Italian and getting it badly wrong with his first 2 words, then instead of letting the drivers talk and making the most of that epic crowd, he was his usual idiot self and ruined it.
(That crowd was insane and awesome, well done Italy)

I thought BE was poor again today, much like the comments RE Croft, he was way too shouty and BE sounds like a posh kid having a temper tantrum and hs voice getting higher in pitch as he gets more shouty making it nothing close to what decent commentary is supposed to be!
DC gave his usual decent insight and so forth, have no problem with his work.

I agree with a comment above about SL fronting Sky's coverage, he is way too much like a bit of 'laaaaaaads' sort of fella and i can't take him seriously as a sporting presenter when he is still so blatantly clueless about something he has worked on for so many years already!
Sky's coverage as a whole is poor and i also agree with regard to the Italian Sky coverage! They do it properly. Sky UK in many aspects could learn from their coverage of stuff.

I would have no problem with Ted fronting the Sky coverage but id miss his paddock stuff which i make the effort to watch and im sure many more do too.

As for this new fella coming in to become Exec CM, he will have a shock when he thinks of all these gimmicks and realises he has the WMC, the teams and contracts to consider before his gimmicky crap!
As for FOM outsourcing the HB to Sky - LOL!!!!! Thats all i have to say on that!
geo_bay
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by Ellie666:
“Thank god it was not you in charge then, as if they were all like you we would have an extremely sanitised TV environment where everybody was too scared to say anything, lest they offend a single person.”

Why are you lunging to the extreme?

There is nothing wrong with joking around and engaging the audience, which creates more of a connection and is more entertaining.

However, I don't think that whilst being a guest in Monaco, broadcasting live to potentially millions of viewers, joking that "the hills round here are fairly steep, there's a lot of winding roads, Grace Kelly probably knows all too well (whilst chuckling)" is ever appropriate.

It's just completely unprofessional anywhere, even more so whilst on live TV in Monaco itself talking about a member of their royal family who was killed in a road accident.
The Scout
04-09-2016
I am again interested to know how you folks know so much about Sky Italia, do you watch it online?

Even if I saw it, I wouldn't know what the hell they were saying! I would nevertheless be interested to see how other countries go about their coverage. For example, we often see crossover with Tanja from German TV. I've wondered what theirs is like.

Also, is it just Sky in the UK that has a designated F1 channel or are there others as well?
popeye13
04-09-2016
The quip in question, if anyone hasn't seen it!
scardis
04-09-2016
Originally Posted by The Scout:
“You've seen three different channels' full coverage in one day?”

No, but Sky UK used so much of Sky Italia stuff, it actually started back in Spa when they showed us Vettel being interviewed in the pen in Italian but answering in English. This weekend we had Vettel interviewed by Jacques Villeneuve and Lewis Hamilton at the Sky pad which had been adjusted to show Sky Sport instead of Sports, with Who I assume is Italy's answer to David Croft.
Something else I've noticed. Channel 4 seems to be getting quite a lock out on the podium interviews this year. So far EJ has done 2, Webber has done 3 and I'm pretty sure DC has done at least one. Martin Brundle has only done Monaco if memory serves correct, the loud RTL character has done 2 and the rest by celebrities. I doubt the TV companies they are working for have much to do with it but it's interesting nonetheless.
geo_bay
05-09-2016
Originally Posted by popeye13:
“I thought C4 did a decent job today. Love they rip the piss out of EJ at any given chance and i honestly think that says alot about what people think of him, which isn't much in terms of F1 as a whole!
The podium interview was just a mess! You had him trying to talk Italian and getting it badly wrong with his first 2 words, then instead of letting the drivers talk and making the most of that epic crowd, he was his usual idiot self and ruined it.
(That crowd was insane and awesome, well done Italy)

I thought BE was poor again today, much like the comments RE Croft, he was way too shouty and BE sounds like a posh kid having a temper tantrum and hs voice getting higher in pitch as he gets more shouty making it nothing close to what decent commentary is supposed to be!
DC gave his usual decent insight and so forth, have no problem with his work.

I agree with a comment above about SL fronting Sky's coverage, he is way too much like a bit of 'laaaaaaads' sort of fella and i can't take him seriously as a sporting presenter when he is still so blatantly clueless about something he has worked on for so many years already!
Sky's coverage as a whole is poor and i also agree with regard to the Italian Sky coverage! They do it properly. Sky UK in many aspects could learn from their coverage of stuff.

I would have no problem with Ted fronting the Sky coverage but id miss his paddock stuff which i make the effort to watch and im sure many more do too.

As for this new fella coming in to become Exec CM, he will have a shock when he thinks of all these gimmicks and realises he has the WMC, the teams and contracts to consider before his gimmicky crap!
As for FOM outsourcing the HB to Sky - LOL!!!!! Thats all i have to say on that!”

I love Ted's Qually and Race Notebook and have them on series record. Also his test notebooks showing the developments the teams are making in pre-season testing is excellent and amongst the best analysis on tv of a sport.

Sky should do more of this, rather than trying to dumb it down for the masses. F1 is what it is, it has a smaller fan base to that of other sports and will always be the case. I get what Sky are trying to do by making it more appealing, but those who they attract with Top Gear style presenting will not be long term viewers and instead they will just lose some of their more regular ones.

I too now record it all, but only watch the race itself live. I want the 'experts' to tell me things which I don't already know and couldn't find out just by looking on Wikipedia, or an opinion based on their experiences and knowledge.

They need to get more knowledge and more experience in the broadcasting team and the right type of people who can present in an insightful way. Not easy, but having a refresh and getting rid of Croft, Lazenby, Di Resta, Herbert would help. Promote Davidson to full time commentary alongside Brundle and someone else to present, possibly Ted, if he can still do his other excellent quality work. He has started presenting the Paddock show and also Practice 2 this season (I might be wrong but I think this is new for this season) and he does very well.
The Scout
05-09-2016
Originally Posted by scardis:
“No, but Sky UK used so much of Sky Italia stuff, it actually started back in Spa when they showed us Vettel being interviewed in the pen in Italian but answering in English. This weekend we had Vettel interviewed by Jacques Villeneuve and Lewis Hamilton at the Sky pad which had been adjusted to show Sky Sport instead of Sports, with Who I assume is Italy's answer to David Croft.
Something else I've noticed. Channel 4 seems to be getting quite a lock out on the podium interviews this year. So far EJ has done 2, Webber has done 3 and I'm pretty sure DC has done at least one. Martin Brundle has only done Monaco if memory serves correct, the loud RTL character has done 2 and the rest by celebrities. I doubt the TV companies they are working for have much to do with it but it's interesting nonetheless.”

That reminds me... in Spa they showed a Sky Italia interview with Vettel after the race. The woman was asking him questions in Italian and he was answering the questions in English. What the hell was going on there? Was she actually asking him questions for the benefit of Sky UK's coverage? I found that quite bizarre.
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