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F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2016 Season
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cocarroll
06-09-2016
Originally Posted by lettice:
“See the draft F1 calendar for 2017 is out today and looks like Le Mans and Baku clash.
Do think the Le Mans weekend should not be an F1 weekend.
Be a better fit for Baku after Russia, they are only 14 hours by road and 7 hours by air for a quick week turnover.
But with another 21 race calendar and having to have the August three week break, its going to be difficult
See the start in Australia is back to end of the month, was 2011 when it was last at the end of March. Something to do with the teams have been give a little extra time to get ready for the 2017 rule changes.”

This might be Bernies last chance to make sure that F1 and Le Mans clash. (Can anyone explain why they modified the schedule al the last minute to move Bake a week earlier and make it clash with Le Mans? The teams were hard pressed to get the gear moved to Baku in time.)

Quote:
“I love the fact that BT go ad free during the US breaks.
However, Kevin Lee, Townsend Bell and especially Paul Tracy are now, HANDS DOWN, the best commentary team in racing.

Where else are you going to get comments like...
PT:" Yeah, outside of Andretti the only other ride Marco will get is with UBER."
I both spilled my beer and dropped the remote at that one

I did not find the BT studio PiP all that annoying. Alas poor #Adrian sounded a bit stiff but perhaps not too bad of a debut for someone from the 'internet'.
But someone needs to tell BT studio team to TALK ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE TV SCREEN.
duh..

Still....IndyCar is far and away the best car racing on the planet.

Hope DJ Willy P will be cleared for Sonoma. Would be terribly anticlimactic to have the championship decided by Charlie Frickin' Kimball's crap driving.

Jp”

Was thinking during the race on Sunday that there was after all these years of watching F1 that for the first time, I was enjoying Indycar more than F1.

Cutting away from the Track Guide was ridiculous. How long do ESPN have left on their International Feed contract? All credit to BT for putting in the breaks commentary. Also, they tried the full race commentary for one race, saw the reaction and changed back. We just need to get the NBCSN race build-up, but I know that BT have no control over that.

PT was uncompromising on track and he has taken that same attitude into the commentary box! Took me a second to register how insulting he was being about Marco Andretti (Mind you, I agree with him - have done since A1GP days. Indycars equivalent of Maldonado!)

RE: The F1 coverage, I'm in the C4 camp. I'll watch C4 for the live weekends. On other weekends, EirSport with C4 commentary for practice sessions, but Qualy and Race on Sky for HD picture. My minor gripe with C4 is the points table and calendar for every session. Race build-up fine, but not every practice session. Steve is growing on me, and when the people in the know are talking/interviewing he lets them get on with it. Noticed him over the weekend about to ask a question to a guest, but saw that Eddie had more, so left him off.

C4 race build-up has a more professional feel to it - you get a proper intro to the race show - sometimes poetic, sometimes matey but always watchable. It doesn't assume that you have been watching all weekend, so works as a stand-alone show. If you have been watching all weekend, it is mostly new content, because they only have 45 minutes to fill (taking out ad-breaks).

Sky's race show starts as though they are just back from an ad-break, so for the race-only viewer they feel like they have come in half-way through. If you have been watching all weekend, then it's full of content that you have probably seen before, either through the repeated questions or VT that has been trailed to death.

I think Herbert would be more tolerable if A: He wasn't asked the same questions every session and B: He didn't do every session!! And I can't stand him on the track parade.

Post race, either is fine - Sky could do more with the time - Sky pad is fine, but cover all the stories. Like everyone else here, Ted's Notebook is must-see TV.

I've said it before, but Sky could do more for GP2/GP3. We need to get to know the drivers. for example, Rossi was just another GP2 driver last year until the American GP when he was all over the race coverage because of his Manor drive. Now I feel like I know the person in the car. I wouldn't recognise Davide Valsecchi until this year! A GP2/GP3 show over a weekend or mid-week would do wonders. We are humans - we want to watch humans racing not just cars! They did have Jordan King on Mid-week this week, so that was a start. (Mind you, asking a GP2 driver about F1 drivers is probably not a good way to go - they probably can't afford to risk insulting anyone in F1!)

Ooops - went on a bit - Sorry
Jonpollak
06-09-2016
Originally Posted by cocarroll:
“
Ooops - went on a bit - Sorry ”

You're a good read cocarroll...blather on !!!

Jp
cocarroll
06-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jonpollak:
“You're a good read cocarroll...blather on !!!

Jp”

Highlight of may day - praise from JP
Jonpollak
06-09-2016
y'all need to get out more then...



Jp
DanManF1
06-09-2016
Formula E confirmed for Channel 5 now, with qualifying sessions on Spike and practice sessions online.

http://fiaformulae.com/en/news/2016/...ive-in-the-uk/
BenFranklin
06-09-2016
Thought it a bit strange people in here were dismissing Channel 5 as an option.
ToneXIR
06-09-2016
By the way noticed that the Race Of Champions next year is being held at Marlins Park in Florida. Being a Miami Marlins fan (for my sins in the last few weeks) I follow a few twitter feeds to do with them, so I was quite surprised to get a tweet from Marlins Park saying they're the home of the RoC for 2017. By the way that January 2017 so almost this year but not quite.

By the way re Sky vs Channel 4- who cares really, lucky to have a choice of both sides doing some good work I personally think, although not sure about the C4 coverage promoting it's Record of the week it's going to close with- not keen on that.
kirstiemcnabb
06-09-2016
Had to watch some Channel 4 F1 at recent weekends at a friends house
Not anything special, screamy commentating
Seemed a bit all over the place presenting
Me too, cannot abide Eddie Jordan
Must be a real drag if live one race and then just highlights the next, big downer
Anyway, counting the days now till my trip to the Japansese Grand prix and will be recording Sky F1 multi times on my Sky Q kit for watching when return
cocarroll
06-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jonpollak:
“y'all need to get out more then...



Jp”

Insightful as ever
lettice
06-09-2016
A really interesting article this afternoon from Martin Brundle on Bernie.
I've always enjoyed those respect interviews between Martin and Bernie.
Just a snippet from the article;

Quote:
“I like and respect Bernie Ecclestone, even though he has made me feel wary on a couple of occasions, and generally made my life difficult when I was chairman of the British Racing Drivers' Club (Silverstone) and the Grand Prix Drivers' Association (GPDA).
Even many decades as an F1 driver and TV commentator have been challenging occasionally because it's effectively his train set and you have to play by his rules.
I am one of many thousands who have hung onto his shirt tails and done very nicely. Everything I own and do has been facilitated by his endeavours. If you've ever enjoyed F1 in front of a TV or beside the track you owe him a vote of thanks too.
He is one of the all-time great negotiators, and he turned a bunch of disorganised teams racing on scruffy dangerous old racetracks with uncoordinated media coverage into one of the greatest shows on Earth.”

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/240...ominated-monza
joel turcotte
06-09-2016
Gordon Murray featuring on main BBC News with his Ox - the world's first flat pack truck.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37285399
FOM Fan
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by lettice:
“A really interesting article this afternoon from Martin Brundle on Bernie.”

He's right there. Nowadays its pratcially unthinkable to have a such a major open-wheel series where teams turned up on an ad-hoc basis, broadcasing was done on a race-by-race basis etc. etc.
FOM Fan
07-09-2016
I have a question for everyone (just off my own back, nothing official or anything, I just want to guage people's opinions here).

Now that we've had rumours of what the proposed new owners of the sport would like to do to improve its appeal, would you be happy for F1 to go in a more 'entertainment' focus, instead of a pure 'sporting' focus. i.e: 25 events per season, gimmicks like reverse grids, multiple races per event, etc. etc?
lettice
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“Now that we've had rumours of what the proposed new owners of the sport would like to do to improve its appeal, would you be happy for F1 to go in a more 'entertainment' focus, instead of a pure 'sporting' focus. i.e: 25 events per season, gimmicks like reverse grids, multiple races per event, etc. etc?”

25 races would be great for viewers, but that would depend fully on the stress and financials of the teams and drivers.
Not sure reverse grids would work in F1. Just end up with more first corner pile ups than we have now. I'm sure good old hardcore F1 team strategy and team tactics would just sort that one and make it fail eventually.
I do often think that a better points system could help viewership. A tiered system. I always hear the f1 team/driver dominance mentioned, but having watched F1 for five decades that has always really been the case and is the true nature of the top teams in the top-tier leagues of a lot of sport. Well Leicester blew that theory out of the water
But I've always wondered about having a three tiered championship with a promotion or demotion taking place for the teams as the season progresses. Say three teams in the premiership, four teams in league A and the rest in League B, so the fourth and eighth team would win their league. That would give some of the lower teams a little more incentive to compete, as sometimes I feel they give up too easily. I would hope from this that would also promote some fairer distribution of the money to the teams for their efforts. Could also be a points system tied to that team effort for the driver to have first say to join a team in their promoted league. But of course when drivers are paying for rides and carrying teams it does make it complicated to achieve.
I think for F1 the big event is the Sunday for the casual viewer. But the whole weekend with qualifying for me is as exciting as the race along with the practice sessions. Id prefer the long race stamina rather than a few shorter races.
Id like to see the return of a bit more change action during the race. The pit stops are not offering much of that anymore. Always crave for the frantic and manic pitstops in Indy, would be great to see something like that. Refuelling (I do not want that back) often was a result changer in F1, pitstops now are just a quick in and out.
It is really sad often during a race to hear comments like when is Bernie going to run out with a bucket to make it a wet race and add something, that more for me shows that something is wrong. But this season for more races there have been some exciting racing throughout the field, so signs of hope.
Jonpollak
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by kirstiemcnabb:
“Anyway, counting the days now till my trip to the Japansese Grand prix”

Fantastic..
Tell me more !!!

I was at Suzuka in 1989 and saw 'the' crash at Casio Triangle .
I spend a lot of time in Japan..seems I'm there almost every year.
If you need any pointers or info do not hesitate to contact me privately..( or publicly )

Japan: the wackiest and most wonderful society on earth...and the food is amazing.
Jp
_SpeedRacer_
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by kirstiemcnabb:
“Had to watch some Channel 4 F1 at recent weekends at a friends house
Not anything special, screamy commentating
Seemed a bit all over the place presenting
Me too, cannot abide Eddie Jordan
Must be a real drag if live one race and then just highlights the next, big downer
Anyway, counting the days now till my trip to the Japansese Grand prix and will be recording Sky F1 multi times on my Sky Q kit for watching when return”

Disagree with absolutely everything you said about the coverage but wish you have a great trip!

I wish Sky would sort out the series record. Every F1 report has to be recorded manually (they fixed it briefly mid-season, then broke it again), and it sometimes misses off random sessions during the weekend - this week GP2 Sprint race didn't record.

And I cannot understand why they can't have the full sessions and support race coverage available on demand - surely this is just pure laziness as I cannot believe they don't have the rights to this if C4 do (for the F1 stuff anyway).
homer911
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“I have a question for everyone (just off my own back, nothing official or anything, I just want to guage people's opinions here).

Now that we've had rumours of what the proposed new owners of the sport would like to do to improve its appeal, would you be happy for F1 to go in a more 'entertainment' focus, instead of a pure 'sporting' focus. i.e: 25 events per season, gimmicks like reverse grids, multiple races per event, etc. etc?”

25 races would be a terrible idea imo, 21 races already feels like 3-4 races too many.

When i loved F1 when i was younger (have barely missed a race since i was a kid in the mid 90's) every race felt like a event as they were not frequent, now they just feel like any old weekend. This season i almost look forward to weekends where there is not a GP as i need a break.

Tbf though that's probably because this season is so bad and the races are not important. It's all about the start, it determines the whole race in this era where the next 50-70 laps are decided at turn one.
stefmeister
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“I have a question for everyone (just off my own back, nothing official or anything, I just want to guage people's opinions here).

Now that we've had rumours of what the proposed new owners of the sport would like to do to improve its appeal, would you be happy for F1 to go in a more 'entertainment' focus, instead of a pure 'sporting' focus. i.e: 25 events per season, gimmicks like reverse grids, multiple races per event, etc. etc?”

In terms of gimmicks & a more entertainment focus goes, If they were to ever go the reverse grid & a multi-race format i'd just stop watching as that simply isn't what I want from F1.


In terms of the number of races, Maybe i'll be alone on this but I think 25 would be a few too many. The obvious thing is that it put's more pressure on the team staff who are seemingly already been stretched thin with 21 & i've heard a few drivers say this year that they feel 21 should be the limit.

But something i'm interesting to get more views on is more races from a fans perspective as i'm not totally sold on the idea as I almost feel like all my time every weekend is been spent watching F1 this year due to how many back to back races the increase to 21 races has introduced & if you add another 4 race weekends how many more back to backs are we going to need.

I'd be concerned that the more races you have the more likely it will become that people start to zone out as the year goes on. And those seasons like 2016 where the title fight & racing aren't great are going to feel worse with more races.
homer911
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by stefmeister:
“In terms of gimmicks & a more entertainment focus goes, If they were to ever go the reverse grid & a multi-race format i'd just stop watching as that simply isn't what I want from F1.


In terms of the number of races, Maybe i'll be alone on this but I think 25 would be a few too many. The obvious thing is that it put's more pressure on the team staff who are seemingly already been stretched thin with 21 & i've heard a few drivers say this year that they feel 21 should be the limit.

But something i'm interesting to get more views on is more races from a fans perspective as i'm not totally sold on the idea as I almost feel like all my time every weekend is been spent watching F1 this year due to how many back to back races the increase to 21 races has introduced & if you add another 4 race weekends how many more back to backs are we going to need.

I'd be concerned that the more races you have the more likely it will become that people start to zone out as the year goes on. And those seasons like 2016 where the title fight & racing aren't great are going to feel worse with more races.”

I agree, i personally think 17-18 is the limit.

When we get a season as bad as this one (it's personally the worst F1 season i have ever watched) it's highlighted, i can't wait until this season is over and i don't care who wins the championship as i don't think either driver has proved they are better on the track.

This is the first season i have ever felt that.
kirstiemcnabb
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jonpollak:
“Fantastic..
Tell me more !!!

I was at Suzuka in 1989 and saw 'the' crash at Casio Triangle .
I spend a lot of time in Japan..seems I'm there almost every year.
If you need any pointers or info do not hesitate to contact me privately..( or publicly )

Japan: the wackiest and most wonderful society on earth...and the food is amazing.
Jp”

Will take you up on that
Itinerary bash maybe next week
Have F1 trip questions so try not to bore everyone in here

Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“I wish Sky would sort out the series record. Every F1 report has to be recorded manually (they fixed it briefly mid-season, then broke it again), and it sometimes misses off random sessions during the weekend - this week GP2 Sprint race didn't record.).”

Series record for F1 this year has been fine
Was hit and miss last season
Record all the Sky F1 live and progs and all the gp2/3
Sky q and sky+hd in my second house, neither failed
FOM Fan
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by homer911:
“I agree, i personally think 17-18 is the limit.

When we get a season as bad as this one (it's personally the worst F1 season i have ever watched) it's highlighted, i can't wait until this season is over and i don't care who wins the championship as i don't think either driver has proved they are better on the track.

This is the first season i have ever felt that.”

Even worse than 2002 When Michael Schumacher won the championship in July & Ferrari won all but 2 of the races? At least we have the championship going down to the last 3 rounds or so.
FOM Fan
07-09-2016
I'd be ok with a tiered series, providing it was in the form of: Formula 3, Formula 2 then Formula 1. But that would require Liberty & the FIA to completely rip up the motor racing ladder, which isn't going to happen. But the promotion/relegation should be for drivers not teams, because the constructor rules are so different between the 3 series.

Also in general the Junior Formulae ladder is so complex, with many cookie-cutter junior series.
homer911
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“Even worse than 2002 When Michael Schumacher won the championship in July & Ferrari won all but 2 of the races? At least we have the championship going down to the last 3 rounds or so.”

The issue is i don't care about the championship because i don't believe either guy is beating the other on the track, they are not racing each other for wins so what are they proving? The only thing that means anything this season is the drag to turn one, you might aswell turn off after that.

The fact that the championship is close is irrelevant to me. The racing on the track is just not interesting and entertaining, at least back then people could push and drive on the limit vs now where they spend 80% of the race managing tyres.
stefmeister
07-09-2016
I wouldn't say this is the worst season I've seen, Yeah the title fight hasn't really been a proper head to head between Lewis & Nico but I suspect/hope we'll see more of that over the final races. But I think there's been enough going on from 3rd back to make it better than 2002 & 2004 where not much was going on anywhere in the field most of the time..... Well that we were actually seeing anyway.
The Scout
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“I wish Sky would sort out the series record. Every F1 report has to be recorded manually (they fixed it briefly mid-season, then broke it again), and it sometimes misses off random sessions during the weekend - this week GP2 Sprint race didn't record.”

Annoys me when I can't set a programme up on series record... Midweek Report is one of them.

Originally Posted by homer911:
“25 races would be a terrible idea imo, 21 races already feels like 3-4 races too many.

When i loved F1 when i was younger (have barely missed a race since i was a kid in the mid 90's) every race felt like a event as they were not frequent, now they just feel like any old weekend. This season i almost look forward to weekends where there is not a GP as i need a break.

Tbf though that's probably because this season is so bad and the races are not important. It's all about the start, it determines the whole race in this era where the next 50-70 laps are decided at turn one.”

Good point re: frequency of races. Maybe less is more.

Originally Posted by homer911:
“The issue is i don't care about the championship because i don't believe either guy is beating the other on the track, they are not racing each other for wins so what are they proving? The only thing that means anything this season is the drag to turn one, you might aswell turn off after that.

The fact that the championship is close is irrelevant to me. The racing on the track is just not interesting and entertaining, at least back then people could push and drive on the limit vs now where they spend 80% of the race managing tyres.”

You said it. Having 2 points between the top two drivers heading into the final few races sounds great on paper, but the reality is very different. I'm not enthused about it, as the result is effectively determined at turn 1. We rely on the what's going on further down the field to provide any form of entertainment.
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