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I wish Sky would sort out the series record. Every F1 report has to be recorded manually (they fixed it briefly mid-season, then broke it again), and it sometimes misses off random sessions during the weekend - this week GP2 Sprint race didn't record.
And I cannot understand why they can't have the full sessions and support race coverage available on demand - surely this is just pure laziness as I cannot believe they don't have the rights to this if C4 do (for the F1 stuff anyway). There were a few glitches at the beginning of the season, that sky fixed. I series link all the GP series, all the F1 race day, qualy, practice, f1 show, Ted notebooks, f1 mid report, driver and principal conferences and all have worked for all but those two races at the beginning of the season. If you can let me know which ones exactly are failing I will report back. Might be worth also doing a planner rebuild on your box; https://www.sky.com/help/articles/pr...gs-and-planner Not sure about the on demand rights for full F1 races on sky on demand or on gp2/3. But they do repeat them after the race weekend for at least 3/4 days and the full Monza race is on sky f1 today along with full GP2/3 races today and tomorrow. |
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Reverse Grid?
So the fastest car starts at the back? Surely the fast guys will mess up each lap "Oh, I went a bit wide on turn 3. Aren't I silly" so they can start at the front... Or will it be like: Q1. The fastest 6 cars get eliminated. Q2. The fastest 6 cars get eliminated. Q3. Manor race against eight other drivers. |
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Reverse Grid?
So the fastest car starts at the back? Surely the fast guys will mess up each lap "Oh, I went a bit wide on turn 3. Aren't I silly" so they can start at the front... Or will it be like: Q1. The fastest 6 cars get eliminated. Q2. The fastest 6 cars get eliminated. Q3. Manor race against eight other drivers. |
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Not had any problems with series link recently.
There were a few glitches at the beginning of the season, that sky fixed. I series link all the GP series, all the F1 race day, qualy, practice, f1 show, Ted notebooks, f1 mid report, driver and principal conferences and all have worked for all but those two races at the beginning of the season. |
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or just scrap qualifying and line them up in reverse championship order to save the arseing about
Jp EDIT: PS.. If anyone from Liberty is reading this...I'm kidding, it's NOT a good idea. |
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Not sure about the on demand rights for full F1 races on sky on demand or on gp2/3.
But they do repeat them after the race weekend for at least 3/4 days and the full Monza race is on sky f1 today along with full GP2/3 races today and tomorrow. |
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OR... Have drivers compete in an assault course like It's a Knockout on Saturday night in prime time. Add a few Big Brother celebrities along with Croft shouting at us and we've got a winner !!
Jp EDIT: PS.. If anyone from Liberty is reading this...I'm kidding, it's NOT a good idea. |
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That Brundle article practically reads like a eulogy. Bernie's time must genuinely be nearly up...figuratively, if not literally.
In a way I don't worry about the new owners turning up and adding lots of gimmicks. The past few years F1 has already been loaded with them. The genie is out of the bottle in terms of the sport being "pure" versus "entertainment" - it's struggled for a few years now to sit comfortably on the fence of both. Personally, I'm so incredibly bored of these Pirelli tyres and DRS. With the tyres dying if you follow someone for any more than a few laps, the multiple pitstops and tyre strategies because the tyres are rapidly dying anyway, and the DRS, you rarely see two drivers having any sort of extended fight nowadays, so there's no sense of achievement when one makes it past the other. Yes, it is successful in creating the different levels of pace needed to ensure any sort of overtaking in this formula - but probably too successful. Maybe next year will be an improvement with the tyre situation, at least. But to be honest if the new owners undo DRS they can add whatever random gimmick they like back in. DRS is turning the sport into absolute drivel. I hate the way I can look at the calendar and instantly work out which races DRS is going to ruin (many) and which it is going to improve (few). In its early years there was at least the attempt to fine tune and hone it - that seems to have been given up. I don't mind if the new owners sit back, take a while and think about some new stuff, then assess the mood from the teams and fans, test the concept out somehow, and give it time to work. Rocking up at Melbourne having randomly decided to change the quali/race format, despite everyone saying it's not going to work and without any real thought behind it, then changing it back again because it's absolute pish (probably via attempts to change it to some half-assed compromise of two other things noone wanted, because of, well, politics), well....how would that be new anyway....? |
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That Brundle article practically reads like a eulogy. Bernie's time must genuinely be nearly up...figuratively, if not literally.
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Bernie stays for 3 more years.
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The balloons will be deflated by then
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Interesting times ahead, be them good or bad...
Pretty safe to say Sky's rights will be safe, given Chase Carey's connections to both 21st Century Fox and Sky... |
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I've been trying to get my head around this - I believe the following summary is right, but apologies for any inaccuracies!:
So Liberty Media Corp (Chairman John Malone) buys, over two stages, control of Formula One for $8bn. Liberty Media Corp is currently split into three groups: Liberty Braves Group - Atlanta Braves Baseball team Liberty SiriusXM Group - Satellite Radio Company in US Liberty Media Group - Major shareholder in Live Nation (Ticketing), minority investments in a number of other media companies including Viacom, Time Warner. Liberty Media Group is renamed Formula One Group at completion of takeover (Q1 2017). Shares in Formula One Group will be on NASDAQ (F1 will be headquartered in London). Teams will get a chance to invest. Chase Carey is now chairman of Formula One (Under control of CVC currently). What I've not yet found out is whether this means he is leaving his role as VP of 21st Century Fox (Prop: Rupert Murdoch) which includes directorship of Sky PLC. Surely there is a conflict there? Prior to 21st Century Fox, Chase had previously worked for both Malone and Murdoch through US Satellite TV operator DirecTV (which Murdoch sold to Malone in exchange for Malone selling his shares in Murdoch's NewsCorp) Bernie remains CEO. John Malone's other interests (Separate from Liberty Media Corp) include: Liberty Global - One of the (if not the) largest cable and broadband suppliers in the world. Includes ownership of many cable companies including Virgin Media in the UK and Cable & Wireless Communications. Has minority stake in ITV. Liberty Interactive Corp - Wholly owns QVC, investments in Expedia and other websites. It's believed, separate to the Liberty Media Corp deal, Liberty Global was one of a number of companies also in the chase to buy F1 through a joint bid with Discovery Communications. |
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One interesting point from the investor slides - ownership of F1 will be 35.3% Liberty Media, 64.7% existing F1 ownership. CVC will still own 24.7%, Bernie 2.1% and Bambino 5.4%. So if Liberty Media do manage to grow the business and make larger profits then CVC, Bernie and his family get even richer...
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On my Sky+ HD box with the latest firmware, at Spa the Ted's Notebooks weren't series linkable (the first showing usually is) and the existing series record never picked them up, but it started working again for Monza.
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Personally, I'm so incredibly bored of these Pirelli tyres and DRS..
Id like to see tyre manufacturer competition back. Be great to see Dunlop and Goodyear displayed around the track. Noticed overnight watching Bloomberg, they had quite a lot of coverage on the F1 takeover. Interesting that many financial experts were mentioning more US F1 race locations and to push F1 harder in the US. They have tried that over many years without any gain and with Indy/Nascar popularity there, do not see F1 really growing any more in the US. |
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I have a question for everyone (just off my own back, nothing official or anything, I just want to guage people's opinions here).
Now that we've had rumours of what the proposed new owners of the sport would like to do to improve its appeal, would you be happy for F1 to go in a more 'entertainment' focus, instead of a pure 'sporting' focus. i.e: 25 events per season, gimmicks like reverse grids, multiple races per event, etc. etc? They need to sort out the tyre-saving, fuel-saving, engine-saving etc. Neither drivers or cars are being pushed to the limits as they used to be. Cars don't expire as they used to, all that unpredictability has gone. You know that the leader will finish the race (and you also know that if it's a Mercedes he's probably holding something back too. There's no edge-of-seat stuff now, wondering if (say) Mansell will complete the last ten laps and win without his engine blowing up. I don't blame Mercedes, they've done a good job but all of the changes in the name of cost-saving have done little to enhance the spectacle or the unpredictability, it's just made reliability so much better. Restricting it to x-number of engines a season may 'save costs' on the face of it but at the same time the big teams have expanded to way over 1000 people back at their bases. Where are the savings now? I don't have the answer but one of F1's problems is that they've continually tried to 'fix' things by adding in additional regulations which has just made everything far more complicated and expensive. Some of it needs scaling back somehow. But firstly, they need to sort of the payments to teams. There's more than enough money in the sport to not have the teams at the back of the grid in a constant struggle for survival and unable to develop their cars whilst the likes of Merc, Ferrari, McLaren and Red Bull throw shedloads of cash at R&D. The sport needs *all* of the teams and the closer the field is, the better, surely? It's clear that Liberty want more races per year, they mention it numerous times in the presentation. I'm not sure how the teams might feel about that - they've previously indicated that 20 or so is more than enough. I'd tend to agree, sometimes less is more as has already been said. However, it may depend on *where* the races are. Some of the existing tracks (irrespective of how much they pay in hosting fees) don't provide an entertaining race and for that reason alone, should have their place on the calendar questioned. More races doesn't excite me, better races does but then if the inexorable slide towards more paid TV coverage and less (or zero) FTA coverage continues, as it seemingly will, it all becomes a bit academic for many fans anyway. Librty might be able to increase various revenue streams from hosting fees, ticket sales, TV contracts, sponsorship, monetizing social media etc but it doesn't necessarily "develop the sport for benefit of all stakeholders (fans, teams, partners, shareholders)" [their words] if large numbers of existing fans drift away because FTA coverage diminishes or disappears, or an excessive number of races makes following the season something of a chore. There's a lot that needs to be fixed rather than just adding more races to generate more income. |
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More races doesn't excite me, better races does but then if the inexorable slide towards more paid TV coverage and less (or zero) FTA coverage continues, as it seemingly will, it all becomes a bit academic for many fans anyway. .
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Liberty Media Group is renamed Formula One Group at completion of takeover (Q1 2017).
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What confuses me about this, is that isn't there already a "Formula One Group" (Which includes FOM, F1 Licencing etc. etc.). So how does this new one affect the existing one?
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I wonder if they would split the Championship into separate mini-championships, so a European, American & Asian series within the main World championship as a whole?
So Rounds 1-7 are Europe, Rounds 8-14 are Americas & 15-21 are the Asian rounds. Maybe each with their own blue-riband event (Monaco, US Circuit & Singapore) and their own broadcast deals for each (i.e. so the American rounds get better prime-time coverage on a well-known FTA network whereas the rest are Pay-TV over there). But overall it also counts towards a world-championship as well when you add up the points for all 21 rounds? Or maybe at the beginning of each mini-championship, the scores are reset to 0 again? And they decide the results of the world championship on number of wins throughout the year? Just an idea. |
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It's very much wait and see with Liberty Media. Really need Bernie to leave the stage before we get real change in the sport I suspect.
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I wonder if they would split the Championship into separate mini-championships, so a European, American & Asian series within the main World championship as a whole?
So Rounds 1-7 are Europe, Rounds 8-14 are Americas & 15-21 are the Asian rounds. Maybe each with their own blue-riband event (Monaco, US Circuit & Singapore) and their own broadcast deals for each (i.e. so the American rounds get better prime-time coverage on a well-known FTA network whereas the rest are Pay-TV over there). But overall it also counts towards a world-championship as well when you add up the points for all 21 rounds? Or maybe at the beginning of each mini-championship, the scores are reset to 0 again? And they decide the results of the world championship on number of wins throughout the year? Just an idea. |
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