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Old 19-09-2016, 21:32
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I must admit, I do agree with his proposal that F1 should be a week-long extravaganza wherever it goes. I mean doing stuff like airing the fan stage shows, and the music concerts after the event on TV or online would be awesome, or having some stuff like stunt shows a la the Race of Champions instead of some boring vintage car parade, then after that you watch an afternoon of great racing and then finish up by watching the post-race concert. I mean they already have some big acts like Queen, Prince, Elton John, Rhianna, Lenny Kravitz etc. on at some of the more high profile ones... What's not to like? I mean if the F1's boring at least you might find some of the other stuff interesting.
The question in my mind is: who would pay for that lot? Would the ticket prices go up? Would the BRDC need to become a pop concert promoter as well as worrying about the Grand Prix? Etc.
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Old 19-09-2016, 22:38
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But what i've suggested should in theory increase attendance, especially if you get more for your buck.
Might work for city centre races like Singapore, but who is going to drive out to Silverstone or Spa every day for a week? Just isn't realistic, focus on the race day experience, that's where the money is.
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Old 19-09-2016, 22:40
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Also, if they've any sense, they'll look at the circuit tender/design process. Yes, it's difficult with FIA safety rules etc. But they need to find a way to make any new venues genuinely impressive racetracks, as opposed to genuinely impressive facilities. The hit-rate of new tracks since Malaysia and the start of Tilke's "reign" is woefully crap and, doubly bad, for every Sochi or Baku there's a classic racetrack being displaced off the calendar.
In fairness, modern f1 is making a lot of tracks look worse than they actually are.
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Old 19-09-2016, 23:16
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One thing that would be good if they want to add more races and do city events would be to do 4 or 5 races a season as occasional events rather than the need for long contracts. As long as the safety is fine, slumming it in temporary facilities for a one-off Rome race would be more likely to facilitate a decent circuit than something that had to be used every single year.

With a properly organised programme of entertainment they could probably make Turkey work or make India worth paying the tax, it wouldn't work as a yearly thing, but if Liberty can make the finances work without totally wrecking the current structure of how circuits pay for races, there's potential to take races to/back to places that currently have little chance of hosting one.

If they do go adding a whole bunch of extras to races, it's important that they don't price people out of the races by adding music festival prices to F1 race prices, and if the race weekend gets dragged out to a race week it might make back-to-back races more impractical too.
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Old 19-09-2016, 23:41
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Liberty's presentation made it fairly clear that they want more races on the calendar, especially in the US. Bernie, in his interview with Ben, specifically said that 21 races is too many, that there should be a maximum of 20 and that adding races in the US is fine but he will be looking to lose some of the existing venues if that's going to happen.

That's likely to be the first flashpoint right there. I can't see the teams easily agreeing to more races, nor circuits with existing contracts wanting to change what they've signed up for and then there's the impact on the rest of the circus, the people putting on the events for FIA/FOM, the logistics of moving everything around, the TV companies who are set-up for x number of races/weekends etc...

Perhaps there's going to come a time when some circuits are only used every other year? That's not necessarily a bad thing but as I've said before, the venues should be selected with one eye on how good a race they tend to produce and not just how much cash they can stump up. As ever with F1, the politics is going to take centre stage again over the 18 months. It will be fascinating to watch.
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Old 20-09-2016, 00:54
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The only thing I care about is the racing & the on-track action. Doing events outside of that is fine (Although I wouldn't pay any attention to it myself) as long as it doesn't replace any track running (Replacing practice sessions or support races for instance).

I actually kind of like the weekend format as it is with practice on Friday, Qualifying on Saturday & the race on Sunday with GP2/GP3/Porsche sessions/races in-between. I know a lot of fans grumble about Friday's been dull but I like watching those sessions & evaluating what the teams are doing in terms of new developments & all the initial bits f performance data your able to get from the track running.
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Old 20-09-2016, 02:46
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One thing im curious about, is are we going to see a change in alot of the races that are done at a time to suit Europe moved to suit North America in terms of time?
Singapore is a night race there, but is because it then means the Europe start time is 3pm (2pm UK)
We don't need more races, we have too many as it is, the season is too cluttered and we don't need more of that! Less really is more in this case!
They're going to have a massive problem getting most of what they want to do through the FIA and WMSC. Messing with the race weekend as a whole won't happen!
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Old 20-09-2016, 05:05
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More races could work if FOM gave them some extra cash to hire more people and have 2 teams of personnel working the season. Then staff would get more time off than they currently do. More jobs in motorsport can only be a good thing.

Not sure how that would go down with the drivers / media folk though.
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Old 20-09-2016, 09:16
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One thing im curious about, is are we going to see a change in alot of the races that are done at a time to suit Europe moved to suit North America in terms of time?
Why on earth would that happen?
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Old 20-09-2016, 09:17
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More races could work if FOM gave them some extra cash to hire more people and have 2 teams of personnel working the season. Then staff would get more time off than they currently do. More jobs in motorsport can only be a good thing.

Not sure how that would go down with the drivers / media folk though.
Drivers are very under used these days, wouldn't be an issue for them.
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Old 20-09-2016, 09:18
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I can't see F1 scheduling against NFL / NHL etc events.
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Old 20-09-2016, 09:44
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Personally I'd like to see the season scheduled rigidly as every other weekend, probably with the one gap to allow the summer break. I'm not sure many really want to watch every week; in fact recently I've been feeling "not F1 again!".

Week long events would work better if the venues are in or near cities; it wouldn't work for Silverstone. Of course getting the ticket prices down would encourage more spectators at the track, and that's part of the general problem of the way Bernie has used the venues as a cash cow rather than recognising they're also part of the appeal of the sport, especially the classic tracks. Going easier on the venues in exchange for them doing more to bring in crowds would benefit the sport. Did I read over 300,000 tickets sold for Mexico?
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Old 20-09-2016, 13:50
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The question in my mind is: who would pay for that lot? Would the ticket prices go up? Would the BRDC need to become a pop concert promoter as well as worrying about the Grand Prix? Etc.
Well they held a Kaiser Chiefs concert on the Thursday before the Grand Prix either last year or the year before, so it's not unfamilar to them...

Of course all this begs the question (and you're all perfectly right that a week-long thing is more suited to a city track), that does this mean there'll be less dedicated racetracks & more temporary street circuits a la IndyCar & A1GP?
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Old 20-09-2016, 15:22
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how in the name of pre-paid venereal disease
Man oh man... you are great to read.

Would the BRDC need to become a pop concert promoter as well as worrying about the Grand Prix? Etc.
Guess who owns 34% of Live Nation ?
The other % being owned by my boss.

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Old 20-09-2016, 20:56
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Perhaps there's going to come a time when some circuits are only used every other year? That's not necessarily a bad thing but as I've said before, the venues should be selected with one eye on how good a race they tend to produce and not just how much cash they can stump up. As ever with F1, the politics is going to take centre stage again over the 18 months. It will be fascinating to watch.
If they were sensible about it, alternating some venues may work. IIRC WRC tried to do a full alternating schedule about ten years ago (i.e. with each rally run once every two years). In response to being 'dropped', the organisers of the Monte Carlo rally, arguably the WRC's showcase event, pulled out of the schedule altogether and ended up part of the rival IRC series for three seasons.

The other issue with alternating venues is investment - if your venue only gets a race every other year, it essentially halves ticket sales and makes spending money on doing up the facilities more difficult to justify.
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Old 20-09-2016, 23:19
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Why on earth would that happen?
Liberty media is an American company and they like to suit American folks first!
Alot of races outside of Europe now start at times to suit Europe, im just wondering if over time, that changes to suit the North American market first!

I ask this because we have a UFC event in Manchester in a few weeks time, but the main event won't begin until 5:10am (ish) to suit the US. Thats a massive f-you to all the European fans of the MMA sport. Im just hoping that F1 doesn't go the same route.
They're on about how F1 needs better everything for the US market, because its not quite pulling enough in terms of ticket sales and TV audience etc. Could a move of times to suit the North American market be a direction they go in to try and fix that at the expense of Europe!

Man oh man... you are great to read.

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Old 20-09-2016, 23:33
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They need to sort out the dull cars, dull racing and dull drivers first.

F1 is dying on its feet. The current cars just have no sex appeal as racing cars. Gutless engines, drivers being given 5000 place penalties for needing a new brake pad and during the race all we ever see hear is save fuel, save the tyres, save the brakes and save the engine.

An F1 car should be driven flat out for 100% of the race, not just the start. I'm not interested in fuel saving of how many miles Lewis gets to a gallon.
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Old 21-09-2016, 00:18
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If they were sensible about it, alternating some venues may work. IIRC WRC tried to do a full alternating schedule about ten years ago (i.e. with each rally run once every two years). In response to being 'dropped', the organisers of the Monte Carlo rally, arguably the WRC's showcase event, pulled out of the schedule altogether and ended up part of the rival IRC series for three seasons.

The other issue with alternating venues is investment - if your venue only gets a race every other year, it essentially halves ticket sales and makes spending money on doing up the facilities more difficult to justify.
I agree, it would have to depend on the venue and what else is run there. Some F1 tracks are barely used for other formulas, so you would think that they would be vulnerable. We've had alternating tracks before though: Silverstone/Brands Hatch, Nuerbergring/Hockenheim for example, so it's not out of the question.
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Old 21-09-2016, 00:30
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They need to sort out the dull cars, dull racing and dull drivers first.

F1 is dying on its feet. The current cars just have no sex appeal as racing cars. Gutless engines, drivers being given 5000 place penalties for needing a new brake pad and during the race all we ever see hear is save fuel, save the tyres, save the brakes and save the engine.

An F1 car should be driven flat out for 100% of the race, not just the start. I'm not interested in fuel saving of how many miles Lewis gets to a gallon.
Absolutely right but the danger is that tyre saving, fuel saving, brake saving, engine saving etc is now so engrained that it's never going to go away entirely all the time that there may be an advantage in running like that. Yes, to an extent it's always been a part of the sport but not to the degree we've had in recent years where it's moved from (say) being an aspect/character/feature of certain tracks or conditions to making the racing feel somewhat false because no-one is pushing as hard as they could do and no-one can follow another car closely thanks to the aero issues.

We just have to hope that this can all be sorted out without resorting to additional gimmicks to complicate things further and neutralise much of the point of F1 which to my mind, as you say, should be driving a car flat out for 100% of the race. It sounds so simple!
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Old 21-09-2016, 09:31
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Liberty media is an American company and they like to suit American folks first!
Alot of races outside of Europe now start at times to suit Europe, im just wondering if over time, that changes to suit the North American market first!

I ask this because we have a UFC event in Manchester in a few weeks time, but the main event won't begin until 5:10am (ish) to suit the US. Thats a massive f-you to all the European fans of the MMA sport. Im just hoping that F1 doesn't go the same route.
They're on about how F1 needs better everything for the US market, because its not quite pulling enough in terms of ticket sales and TV audience etc. Could a move of times to suit the North American market be a direction they go in to try and fix that at the expense of Europe!
Follow the money. If (and it's a big if) F1 becomes big in the USA and generates big TV deals you might see that happen, but until then, it will be aired to suit the European market where the big TV deals are concentrated.
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Old 21-09-2016, 11:58
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An F1 car should be driven flat out for 100% of the race, not just the start. I'm not interested in fuel saving of how many miles Lewis gets to a gallon.
Not happening unless they re-introduce refuelling.
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Old 21-09-2016, 12:25
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Guess who owns 34% of Live Nation ?
The other % being owned by my boss.

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Ah I see... now it all falls into place.
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Old 21-09-2016, 13:59
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WOW Kirstie..sounds superb !!!

Sitting at the exit of what they call "U-turn" is bound to offer you girls some great action.
I believe (at least it was when I was there in '89 but may have changed) that your ticket allows you to wander free along the side of the track where you are sat. On practice and qualy day try to get up to the top of the esses and watch them zoom down to Degner 1.

Race day will be manic so make sure you have a reserved seats on the train to and from Nagoya. After the train arrives at the last stop you still have a bit of a walk to the track.

Suzuka offers really cool and wacky swag and souvenirs so leave a little room in the suitcase.

As always Japanese weather can be bizarre so bring a few different types of plastic macs. As you may already know Japanese mobile phones operate of a different system and there is NO GSM so you may want to pick up a SIM card that replicates your system for your UK phone.( I use NTT ) Also there is a free Japan WiFi app you'll want to download as it offers loads of places to hop on at no charge (Also NTT)


Otherwise seeing as you've got it pretty well sorted my main suggestion is the AMAZING Kenroku-en gardens in Kanazawa.
They're some of the most beautiful in the world !!

A couple other suggestions.

In Tokyo go to Shinjuku at night to see the "Candy Doll" and "Kawaii girls" fashion parade.
Nagoya has a cool shopping area called Osu district.
(bizzare tee-shirt and clothing shops down back alleys)

When in Osaka you MUST try the local dish called "okonomiyaki" It's a like a Japanese pizza but WAY more tasty.

Kyoto is great for architecture.

Have a super time Kirstie and if possible learn a few phrases in Japanese.
The locals will giggle at your attempt but show you the utmost courtesy and break their backs trying to help you.
They are the most lovely, sweet people on earth.
Jp
Thx
Will do for qualy and practice
F1 ticket mentions extra trains laid on the three days from Nagoya
Use a luggage door to door courier service to send suitcases there and back
Separate suitcases to each destination, just large handbag to carry each trip
Will load up all that 'swag and souvenirs' for courier to ship back
Standard practice for all golfers now when playing abroad, all beautifully app based and trackable
Phone system does look strange in Japan for tourists
Thx for wifi app link, perfect for us
Japan Rail pass gives us a free 4g wifi device that we can share and use anywhere too
Have business skype so will not need phone access just data
Just this week upgraded all our business iPads to iPad Pros so will take old ones as well as phones for data only
Told wifi access is great in japan, no mobile access needed
Thx for places to see, added to itinerary, not a good idea telling girls about good shopping
Speaking Japanase is easy with the itranslate app or similar, tested already and works very well,
Will try ourselves, youtube lessons working wonders

とても興奮
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Old 21-09-2016, 14:31
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Ultra HD was trialled for the first time at the Singapore GP.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fo...trials-828786/
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Old 21-09-2016, 15:07
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They need to restock the classic races, i think i have seen all of the current batch.
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