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He was 2nd already. Riccardo had pitted before the VSC and i don't think it was worth his while pitting as he would have still needed another stop.
I always wonder if the pitlane should be closed in the event of an SC, or VSC, to stop anyone gaining an advantage. They don't need to refuel, so there should be no reason a driver has to stop unless he has a failure or puncture, which they could prove. |
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Absolutely not! Rapid pit stop strategy thinking is all part of the game. Sorts out the real racing teams from the ones who needs a computer to crunch the numbers.
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Absolutely not! Rapid pit stop strategy thinking is all part of the game. Sorts out the real racing teams from the ones who needs a computer to crunch the numbers.
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This is the thing about Sky's coverage that confuses me. Why can't they keep all the feeds available for as long as FOM provides them?
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Has anyone else watched the US GP on Now TV ? (Or tried to... I gave up!)
Did you have problems ? Buffering and crashing from 8pm UK so I missed the start. It was ok up till then.... Low streaming quality on both a NowTV Smart box and a PC across all NowTV Sports channels. Yes I know Sunday evening can be a problem on the net, but it's normally been ok and I was getting a steady 7-8 meg speed as usual via PlusNet. |
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I often wonder what all this US and F1 must be there talk is.
Was speaking to a group of US guys overnight and mentioned F1, not one of them watched it or know what's going on this year. They often talk about Nascar and Indy though. I even asked them what the US F1 team was this year, they could not. Once I told them they obviously knew what Haas was. I have a few long term friends who I talk to regularly and are also Motorsport fans but watch no F1 or care about it. Its on their main sports channels. Is it only a small group who are interested, or are most of those interested and attendees Brits and other foreigners in the US? It's so weird though that everyone in F1 is like "We must do this! OMG TOP PRIORITY GUYS" yet with other forms of motorsport (WEC, WRC, Blancpain), no-one seems to give a damn about the sport's popularity in America, and its hardly anything you hear discussed on say Radio Le Mans etc. etc. I mean the F1 pundits have been saying the same thing about F1 in America for years, and frankly I'm just fed up with all the speculation, maybe they just need to accept that F1 isn't as popular as a sport cos it's not American... I don't think Americans tend to follow sports that aren't massively US-oriented really. But I don't think we should alter F1 in that direction just beacuse the US audience is so blinkered... |
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Sky pundits kept saying that Riccardo should have stopped, but as he'd already stopped it would have just put him further behind Rosberg.
I always wonder if the pitlane should be closed in the event of an SC, or VSC, to stop anyone gaining an advantage. They don't need to refuel, so there should be no reason a driver has to stop unless he has a failure or puncture, which they could prove. |
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I've always said I thought Sky's actual analysis of the racing has been close to nonexistent but it's only today I could put my finger on where it falls short.
The best aspect of the BBC's coverage (2009 & 2010) was always the post-race analysis of the action using multiple angles and open discussion with Jake loosely directing the topic but anchored by replays of the key incidents. Sky's post-race is the polar opposite; a rigid question, answer, question, answer format with the pundits provided with no flexibility and no footage in order to form an opinion. I think most here will agree Sky's best analysis (Ted's Notebook aside) is when Anthony forensically analyses incidents at the SkyPad and I think the reason for this is that it's literally the only time Sky actually devote to the best part of the sport; the racing on track. Discussing mentality and the bigger picture around the sport and championship are perfectly at home in the pre-race but post-race should be about the race we've just witnessed analysed in fine detail with the wider implications at the end of the show in the wrap up. Post-race is now a mere extension of the pre-race discussion. I'd like to see the pundits, for 30+ minutes in the post-race show, be given free rein around the SkyPad without a time limit or set structure with a video library of every remotely notable overtake, pitstop & incident from every angle possible. Let Martin, Damon, Ant & Johnny choose the topics/incidents and allow them to direct the discussion as they see fit. They can speak at length about incidents and it allows them the freedom to form an opinion based on the video evidence beyond the repeated cliche soundbites they're confined to today and invite drivers to do the same. Sky's coverage centres around issues off track by and large; they discuss the championship, contracts/impending moves, mentality & the future ad nauseum. Analysis itself is confined to Ant or Paul rushing through incidents alone in 2 minutes so we can get back to hearing how Damon & Johnny think all that might affect a driver's mentality in future or his contract negotiations in future or his approach to the next race in future. The focus is always on the future, never to reflect or discuss the race which is what the 2 hours after the chequered flag should be as was the case on the BBC F1 Forum. ![]() Also they really need to end the programme with the winners interview after the winners celebrations, then have Teds Notebook as a separate programme. It's so amateurish that after all these years Sky still completely misjudge it, throwing to Ted to start his notebook just as Hamilton and Rosberg rock up, then immediately stopping it. And after the notebook and commercial break the final roundup adds absolutely nothing other than another opportunity to plug other sky programmes. |
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I must admit, F1 has had a grand prix in America for the best part of 50 years, its covered by one of their major tv networks, so I find it baffling that even by todays standards (if you believe F1 aren't promoting well enough in the US) that such a large proportion have never heard of it.
It's so weird though that everyone in F1 is like "We must do this! OMG TOP PRIORITY GUYS" yet with other forms of motorsport (WEC, WRC, Blancpain), no-one seems to give a damn about the sport's popularity in America, and its hardly anything you hear discussed on say Radio Le Mans etc. etc. I mean the F1 pundits have been saying the same thing about F1 in America for years, and frankly I'm just fed up with all the speculation, maybe they just need to accept that F1 isn't as popular as a sport cos it's not American... I don't think Americans tend to follow sports that aren't massively US-oriented really. But I don't think we should alter F1 in that direction just beacuse the US audience is so blinkered... |
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I always wonder if the pitlane should be closed in the event of an SC, or VSC, to stop anyone gaining an advantage. They don't need to refuel, so there should be no reason a driver has to stop unless he has a failure or puncture, which they could prove.
On the one hand I agree with the idea. On the other the races where the SC comes out and jumbles the order up somewhat at random tend to be the most fun races, so killing that possibility would just put F1 in an even deeper hole than it is already in. On racing in the US: noone knows about it, it's niche, blah blah blah. There was still a damn sight bigger race-day crowd than most of the races this season. And because of that you're getting some of the most passionate fans because they are the ones who genuinely do care, and none of them are asking for the sport to be altered in their direction. And besides, America is such a massive market that there's huge scope even if they double from tiny market share to slightly less tiny market share. |
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Regarding pit lane closing on SC; it was done in F1 for a while but caused chaos in many races as drivers needed fuel and were forced to stop; then had a harsh drive through penalty which effectively put them last.
IndyCar does it too; if you have to stop when the pits are closed you are only able to take fuel to last a couple of laps or replace a tyre if it's damaged and then MUST pit again with the field when the pits reopen. |
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Isn't this the case in one of the feeder series, doesn't GP2 do something like this, or am I just dreaming that one?
On the one hand I agree with the idea. On the other the races where the SC comes out and jumbles the order up somewhat at random tend to be the most fun races, so killing that possibility would just put F1 in an even deeper hole than it is already in. On racing in the US: noone knows about it, it's niche, blah blah blah. There was still a damn sight bigger race-day crowd than most of the races this season. And because of that you're getting some of the most passionate fans because they are the ones who genuinely do care, and none of them are asking for the sport to be altered in their direction. And besides, America is such a massive market that there's huge scope even if they double from tiny market share to slightly less tiny market share. Also not sure why people are comparing to the refueling era/other formula where people simply had to stop or retire from the race. The puncture angle is an interesting one as teams could claim a small loss of pressure they thought equated to a slow puncture was reasonable enough to bring them in, and argue the toss afterwards. |
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I think there would be a lot of scepticism if a team claimed all four tyres had slow punctures.
If you don't have a puncture, then only changing one tyre is not going to be any benefit. |
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I watched on Now TV over Plusnet (on an Xbox One). Was occasionally jerky during the day so was a bit fearful of racetime, but in the end it was absolutely fine. Streamed high quality all the way through, no buffering, no crashing, no dips in signal quality (apart from again very occasional drop in framerate making it slightly jerky). Guess I was lucky...
, but otherwise was okay. Belgium and Italy were worse. For the first half of the race in Italy I had video that looked like internet video from 1993.
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The puncture angle is an interesting one as teams could claim a small loss of pressure they thought equated to a slow puncture was reasonable enough to bring them in, and argue the toss afterwards.
It can be good when the SC bunches up the field and creates a new race, but I'm not sure anybody really likes it when one driver gets lucky and is able to take the lead, or the driver that's been leading the whole race on merit suddenly ends up 5th because of the SC. |
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I often wonder what all this US and F1 must be there talk is.
Was speaking to a group of US guys overnight and mentioned F1, not one of them watched it or know what's going on this year. Source: Racer.com Sun., March 20 Australian Grand Prix 12:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., April 3 Bahrain Grand Prix 10:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., April 16 Chinese Grand Prix 1:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., May 1 Russian Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., May 15 Spanish Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., May 29 Monaco Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. NBC Sun., June 12 Canadian Grand Prix 1:30 p.m. NBC Sun., June 19 European Grand Prix 8:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., July 3 Austrian Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. CNBC Sun., July 10 British Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. CNBC Sun., July 24 Hungarian Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. CNBC Sun., July 31 German Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., August 28 Belgian Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., September 4 Italian Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., September 18 Singapore Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., October 1 Malaysian Grand Prix 2:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., October 8 Japanese Grand Prix 12:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., October 23 United States 2:30 p.m. NBC Sun., October 30 Mexican Grand Prix 2:30 p.m. NBC Sun., November 13 Brazilian Grand Prix 10:30 a.m. NBCSN Sun., November 27 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix 7:30 a.m. NBCSN Add a cable paywall, throw in regular advert breaks and no mainstream sports press coverage. |
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Regarding pit lane closing on SC; it was done in F1 for a while but caused chaos in many races as drivers needed fuel and were forced to stop; then had a harsh drive through penalty which effectively put them last.
IndyCar does it too; if you have to stop when the pits are closed you are only able to take fuel to last a couple of laps or replace a tyre if it's damaged and then MUST pit again with the field when the pits reopen. |
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Forget Indycar, if you want fair, watch the Aussie V8 championship. Things that would have been different from a broadcasting and competition POV if F1 used the format:
- Magnussen would have automatically been forced to give back the place for passing off track or get an immediate drive through penalty - Penalties are delivered almost instantly, a crash between two competitors with 6 laps remaining on Saturday ended with the culprit being given a drive through and a grid drop for the next race before the end of the current race - They interview the driver's teams during the race (I know other series do this too) - Driver radio is used a lot more, it is not uncommon for the radio to play straight after an incident. If that happened in F1, then we would have heard Verstappen / Red Bull talking over the radio when his car packed up, rather than the commentators. Out of interest, has anyone ever reviewed the race and time-analysed the events during the race e.g. total time of replays, total time of non-race celeb shots etc? Would not be surprised if we lost somewhere in the region of a third of each race to non-live coverage. |
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Id personally like to see the pitlane closed during VSC and SC.
If you have a clear problem, such as a puncture, it could easily be policed, with something such as showing a clear drop in pressures and continuing decrease for a min of 90 seconds or something and if once the tyre is replaced, there is no puncture found, the driver has to complete a drive-thru and a 5-place grid pen for the next race too, to make it a decent deterrent against trying to pull a fast-one! Refuelling doesn't apply as that little gem was gotten rid of yonks back, so there is no real reason why it couldn't be implemented! Make the racing fair on track, not able to gain something by a race 'break'. That to me isn't fair at all |
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ArsTechnia have some interesting statistics about F1 coverage in the USA:
Commercials are killing F1 on NBC "Between commercials and b-roll, we lost a full 25 percent of the race." Our UK coverage has its problems, but at least we don't have that! |
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The obvious answer is to do what they do in Indycars and Nascar and throw a caution flag every now and again on the flimsiest of pretexts allowing the broadcaster to go to ads without missing any racing action. The virtual safety car system could have been developed with that in mind if you were a conspiracy theorist.
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ArsTechnia have some interesting statistics about F1 coverage in the USA:
Commercials are killing F1 on NBC "Between commercials and b-roll, we lost a full 25 percent of the race." Our UK coverage has its problems, but at least we don't have that! And stunning how much of the race in minutes they lose because NBC is off at breaks or doing stupid bumpers before and after a break! But, that is the nature of US tv. In one clock hour, commercial channels will spend roughly 19-23 minutes showing commercials or programme trailers! And the sports channels there are basically like EUROSPORT, where they're part of a tier package, not additional packages of channels like BT Sport or Sky Sports are! Now if perhaps Showtime, HBO, STARZ or CINEMAX bought the rights, fans would be rejoicing. HBO & Showtime bought up boxing and its thriving in the US because you get great coverage, with no ad breaks and no censoring either! But those channels are not going to secure the rights because it would cost too much for what is not a huge sport in the US currently! Granted, the HBO or Showtime promo train behind F1 would do it a treat i have to say, but they're not gonna bother and its part of why i think NBC gives very little much of a shit for the quality of the coverage! If you take their PL coverage, its really good but they know there is fierce competition for the rights, from ESPN, FOX and im sure CBS will be too next cycle. So they give the coverage top effort! |
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ArsTechnia have some interesting statistics about F1 coverage in the USA:
Commercials are killing F1 on NBC "Between commercials and b-roll, we lost a full 25 percent of the race." Our UK coverage has its problems, but at least we don't have that! |
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Have a read of the 300 odd comments - apart from 1 bitter Brit, so many of them love our UK coverage. Really does go to show how spoilt we are in comparison to the US (& even Canadian coverage)
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Although at least Canadian coverage has PIP during the breaks. I'm assuming NBC doesn't from those comments
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No, this isn't an acceptable way to watch 25 percent of an F1 race. The incredibly inefficient use of space means only 15 percent of the screen area is used to keep viewers in touch with the action. They may as well not bother.
Interestingly, he also doesn't like NBC's cutaways to (presumably) their own cameras/interviews etc. during the race, which i've always thought were unneccessary when Sky do it as well, although at least Sky use PIP with that too now...
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, but otherwise was okay. Belgium and Italy were worse. For the first half of the race in Italy I had video that looked like internet video from 1993.