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F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2016 Season
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pakokelso93
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by solarflare:
“But even if they don't catch up all the way, they need the SC to stay out long enough to catch up most of the way, and because they are limited by the delta it takes longer to do it than it used to. I've no proof, but I'm reasonably sure in my gut that on average SC periods are longer now than they used to be 10-15 years ago.”

Longer than probably even 3-5 years ago. Basically ever since delta times came in. Not complaining about delta times myself obviously more that when cars are allowed to unlap for me that is usually when the track is safe. So let them go at full pace (or near full pace bar the sector of the incident was), bar the exception of wet weather conditions and then let the SC in at the end of the following lap.
gomezz
27-10-2016
Do the delta times under VSC take into account track conditions as it is obvious you only need to cut your pace by a fraction on a dry track to be in safe control compared to on a wet track?
mightymillie
27-10-2016
Originally Posted by solarflare:
“Has he? I've watched a number of the events and not heard him on it before. Must have only seen ones he wasn't at.

Unless Quest and Eurosport have different comms teams?”

I think he does the world feed. Maybe Eurosport usually add their own commentary?
_SpeedRacer_
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by solarflare:
“But even if they don't catch up all the way, they need the SC to stay out long enough to catch up most of the way, and because they are limited by the delta it takes longer to do it than it used to. I've no proof, but I'm reasonably sure in my gut that on average SC periods are longer now than they used to be 10-15 years ago.”

But as I've said, I'm pretty sure the delta doesn't apply after the first lap or two once the SC has control of the pack. I think you are right about the SC periods being longer but I believe it's primarily because they are too slow to issue the command in the first place - they shouldn't be waiting for the entire pack to form up before doing so.

And Singapore excepting, they are normally more risk adverse to restarting anyway now.

It's normal to see cars setting personal bests when they are catching up to the pack, which suggests they aren't driving to a delta at that point. I would suggest watching with live timing during the next SC period and you will see that.
pakokelso93
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“But as I've said, I'm pretty sure the delta doesn't apply after the first lap or two once the SC has control of the pack. I think you are right about the SC periods being longer but I believe it's primarily because they are too slow to issue the command in the first place - they shouldn't be waiting for the entire pack to form up before doing so.

And Singapore excepting, they are normally more risk adverse to restarting anyway now.

It's normal to see cars setting personal bests when they are catching up to the pack, which suggests they aren't driving to a delta at that point. I would suggest watching with live timing during the next SC period and you will see that.”

As I pointed to you in previous page though since delta times came in the cars don't rattle around at full speed that unlap themselves - compared to the old days where they'd catch up to the back of the pack within a lap. Now a days the unlapped cars are still trying to unlap themselves at least 2 laps later.
_SpeedRacer_
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by pakokelso93:
“As I pointed to you in previous page though since delta times came in the cars don't rattle around at full speed that unlap themselves - compared to the old days where they'd catch up to the back of the pack within a lap. Now a days the unlapped cars are still trying to unlap themselves at least 2 laps later.”


Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“But as I've said, I'm pretty sure the delta doesn't apply after the first lap or two once the SC has control of the pack.”

Ok, you made me sift through the regs.

They can rattle around at full speed if they want to:

Quote:
“ All competing cars must reduce speed and form up in line behind the safety car no more than ten car lengths apart. In order to ensure that drivers reduce speed sufficiently, from the time at which all teams have been sent the “SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED” message via the official messaging system until the time that each car crosses the first safety car line for the second time, drivers must stay above the minimum time set by the FIA ECU at least once in each marshalling sector (a marshalling sector is defined as the section of track between each of the FIA light panels).”

Likely after the second SC lap (depending on the position of the car when the SC came out), cars can effectively drive at full speed for the rest of the SC period as long as they are not overtaking someone.

Btw, I am not trying to wind anyone up here. But I noticed on live timing years ago (I believe even Button did this in 2011 Canada) that drivers were setting green and even purple sectors catching back up to the pack and this rule was clarified for me. It's one of the worst publicised rules in F1.
hyperstarsponge
28-10-2016
The little watched practice sessions is on More4 today instead of Channel 4.
gomezz
28-10-2016
FP1 is also on R5SX but FP2 is online only.
pakokelso93
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“


Ok, you made me sift through the regs.

They can rattle around at full speed if they want to:
”

Okay I bow to you! Just feels like they never seem to catch up these days (or take far longer)
TheSubaru2012
28-10-2016
Simon Lazenby's wife gave birth to a baby this week so Rachel Brookes is presenting coverage of Practice 1 today, Simon is back tomorrow. Congrats to both!
simongvs70
28-10-2016
The bi-lingual programme for Mexico can be read within the F1 app itself.
I always thought Herbie Blash was Charlie's deputy, not an Observer. That just makes him sound like the Sunday rag!
Danny Sullivan is the Driver Steward; he drove for Tyrrell in 1983, won the Indy 500 two years later and the Indycar Championship itself in '88.
Funny thing about the cover for the F1 2016 video game; I had no idea it featured the World Champion and 4-6 (mostly) local drivers tailored to the region it's been released in. Presumably it's been like that for years.
stefmeister
28-10-2016
May as well share this here, F1 Visor-Cam from Jacques Villeneuve in 2002 from an F1 Digital+ Pre-race show.

https://vid.me/BiZu
markmag
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by TheSubaru2012:
“Simon Lazenby's wife gave birth to a baby this week so Rachel Brookes is presenting coverage of Practice 1 today, Simon is back tomorrow. Congrats to both! ”

This is completely unnecessary early speculation for which I apologise, but wonder if he'll look to either cut back or step off the F1 bandwagon after this year. We know Jake Humphreys felt that all that international travel didn't go with parenthood. Mind you, he also had a tasty offer from BT on the table.
popeye13
28-10-2016
Originally Posted by markmag:
“This is completely unnecessary early speculation for which I apologise, but wonder if he'll look to either cut back or step off the F1 bandwagon after this year. We know Jake Humphreys felt that all that international travel didn't go with parenthood. Mind you, he also had a tasty offer from BT on the table.”

One can hope
skinj
29-10-2016
I sort of agree that the VSC can give an unfair advantage to drivers that can make a cheap pit stop and effectively gain time on their rivals & don't really think that should happen. Think I've already said that it should be very easy to adjust the pit lane speed limiter to level out the disparity.
Also when the full SC is deployed there could be a alternative to the lapped cars unlapping themselves on-track. The pit lane stays open for two laps (each car passes pits twice), allowing time for all cars to pit if they want to. After this point, all lapped cars have to pass through the pit lane, instead of start/finish straight, at a significantly slower speed. This should allow the lead pack to pass them whilst under safety car without the confusion of working out which cars can/can't be overtaken. As soon as all the lapped cars are behind the lead pack the race can restart at the next safe opportunity for the SC to come off.
mjr
29-10-2016
Thought this might be of interest to people here:

Total Competition: Lessons in Strategy from Formula One (Ross Brawn & Adam Parr)

It's available to pre-order for £5.99 if you choose hardcover (paperback is more for some reason) apparently it's just been reduced in price.

Both of their former teams could probably do with a copy. I wonder how many will be turning up as anonymous gifts at Maranello and Grove?
Forza Ferrari
29-10-2016
I think the current Ferrari team principle is yo stylish to be seen in public eating a banana.
mjr
29-10-2016
Alex Zanardi interview coming up after the break on Sky...
simongvs70
29-10-2016
There must be something in the bottled water they sell in the paddock. Jennie Gow- recently given birth, Lazenby's wife dropped her sprog this week, Jonesy just congratulated Toto Wolff on Susie getting pregnant...
DanManF1
29-10-2016
Utterly horrific direction from FOM in the first half of this Q3 session.
Forza Ferrari
29-10-2016
Originally Posted by DanManF1:
“Utterly horrific direction from FOM in the first half of this Q3 session.”

Agree also thought American GP was terrible.

Constant close ups never getting a feel for track layout or direction change, relative position of the cars etc.
pakokelso93
29-10-2016
Originally Posted by Forza Ferrari:
“I think the current Ferrari team principle is yo stylish to be seen in public eating a banana.”

Go and watch Ross Brawn European GP 2002.
skinj
29-10-2016
Seb is back to being his grumpy best. Seems like a petulant child at times when stuff doesn't go his way.
Jules 1
29-10-2016
Eddie Jordan was embarrassing today at the Mexico Grand Prix, making a comment about Jolyon Palmer's broken chassis and saying something along the lines of if it wasn't broken in two they would have raced in the Jordan days.
While he has often been there to say something controversial , him only being there some of the races makes me think that it is much better without him, when compared to Mark Webber.
solarflare
29-10-2016
What happened to the dinky little graphics that showed a driver going through a couple of corners and then comparing that time to other drivers?
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