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Old 14-11-2016, 01:25
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I will say it again: Cars do *not* tank-slap, they fishtail.
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Old 14-11-2016, 01:43
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Interesting race once the FIA let the damn thing get on with racing! Red flagging it like they were giving red flags away free made F1 a massive joke today!
That save from Max was stunning and bloody lucky! Sky's coverage made me feel homicidal at times it was so abysmal!
Im getting more and more turned off by F1 because of the poor quality of the Sky coverage, Channel 4 only having 10 live races (Not their fault) and this shitty obsession of the plank directing the FOM tv picture of cutting away for cheesy 'reaction' shots all the damn time like we're watching the XFactor or some crappy pop show awards bash!
I feel at the moment that if they said F1 was done, no more, never to be seen on telly again, i honestly wouldn't mind because it is that bad now!
I had the choice to watch todays race live and i decided against it for something else, whereas a few years ago, id of been there like a rat up a drain pipe to watch live!
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Old 14-11-2016, 09:51
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Watched on Eir Sport (foremerly Setanta Ireland) by other means,as couldnt wait till 10pm highlights. I guess would have been on at 9pm if wasnt for Humans.

Good coverage basically Channel 4 audio from the FOM 5 minute sting until the podium interviews by Brundle.

Enjoyed it, didnt miss the pre or post race guff, would be happy with basic coverage if it was a free option.

Ben did go a bit OTT on the end of the race, i thought he started his build up a lap soon.
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Old 14-11-2016, 11:19
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One of the first times I've watched the Sky coverage properly (I dip in and out of races) and have to be honestly really didn't enjoy the coverage. Even by Sky's selling standards it was bad - and made me realised how reserved by comparison their coverage of sports like football or rugby are.
They always seem to go for the OTT statements. It couldn't just be 'one of the drives of the season by Verstapen' (and it was a great ride by him) or 'Nico nearly crashed out and if he had it would've made it a winner-takes-all race in Abu Dhabi' but you instead get OTT statements like 'the drive of a generation' or 'He saw the title flash in front of his eyes' from the Sky team,

I like David Croft when he covers the darts and I've always thought that he seems knowledgable and likable so it's not like I don't think he's good but his commentary style on the F1 really irritates me.
Does feel at times as if he's commentating for a montage/the advert for the next F1 race if you get what I mean. He sounds often like he's less commentating normally on the event and more like he's constantly looking for a soundbite for the ages all the time.

Don't watch much of the pundits or presenters but can't say Lazenby or Herbert do much for me or are people I'd go out of my way to watch.

Also does Christian Horner normally appear that much on the Sky coverage? He almost felt like Howard Webb on BT's football with how often he appeared. Got a bit irritating after a while - especially if they weren't going to the directors of other teams. Almost felt like Red Bull TV at times.

In summary, not hugely impressed by Sky's coverage. Shame as normally their sports coverage does the job I find.

Have they announced a slogan yet for Abu Dhabi yet (similar to what they seem to be doing for football recently)?
I would be very surprised if we didn't end up getting something like 'Decider in the Desert', 'Race to the Title', 'Duel in Abu Dhabi' or something parroted on SSN and the F1 coverage for a good week or so before the race.
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Old 14-11-2016, 13:10
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Just to answer a couple of your points (welcome by the way )

If you mean during the race itself, then no, they don't always have live linkups with people on the pitwall, although C4 also do the same with some of their live races so it's not just Sky (can't speak for other countries and if they ever do anything similar of their own accord). Obviously teams have to agree to it though, and realistically they're only going to ask the big teams who are likely to be fighting for wins/podiums/big points, because with the greatest of respect, I doubt there'd be much to hear from Manor for example as their races are generally spent battling each other and avoiding being lapped (same to a lesser extent with Sauber).

Re Abu Dhabi, yeah they've called it the duel in the desert.

I also agree about Sky's coverage, it's not the best and it'll likely get worse in 2019 when they have full live exclusive coverage as they'll have nobody to, in effect, challenge them to improve. Main thing I hate is they do 'coming up' and show part of a feature numerous times (but different parts of it) then when they come to show the feature it's already had 75% of it shown in their 'preview', and the features are short anyway. Plus clearly yesterday with Brundle and Ecclestone they've only made it last Brazil and Abu Dhabi in the hope people will tune in in Abu Dhabi, when really it should have all been shown in Brazil.
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Old 14-11-2016, 13:38
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Pretty sure he was correct about the tyres though - if we had proper monsoon tyres there wouldn't be so much SC nonsense.
As Martin Brundle said yesterday the reason they stopped bringing Monsoon tyres was because they never used them as anytime conditions got bad enough to warrant there use they were also far too bad to safely have cars on the track.
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Old 14-11-2016, 14:24
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Just to answer a couple of your points (welcome by the way )

If you mean during the race itself, then no, they don't always have live linkups with people on the pitwall, although C4 also do the same with some of their live races so it's not just Sky (can't speak for other countries and if they ever do anything similar of their own accord). Obviously teams have to agree to it though, and realistically they're only going to ask the big teams who are likely to be fighting for wins/podiums/big points, because with the greatest of respect, I doubt there'd be much to hear from Manor for example as their races are generally spent battling each other and avoiding being lapped (same to a lesser extent with Sauber).
It was actually a rule that came in a couple or few years ago - each team needs to make a senior member of staff available to one broadcaster at each race. When it first came in they did it every time, with it switching around - but seems more recently it's not so frequent.
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Old 14-11-2016, 14:35
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Just to answer a couple of your points (welcome by the way )

If you mean during the race itself, then no, they don't always have live linkups with people on the pitwall, although C4 also do the same with some of their live races so it's not just Sky (can't speak for other countries and if they ever do anything similar of their own accord). Obviously teams have to agree to it though, and realistically they're only going to ask the big teams who are likely to be fighting for wins/podiums/big points, because with the greatest of respect, I doubt there'd be much to hear from Manor for example as their races are generally spent battling each other and avoiding being lapped (same to a lesser extent with Sauber).

Re Abu Dhabi, yeah they've called it the duel in the desert.

I also agree about Sky's coverage, it's not the best and it'll likely get worse in 2019 when they have full live exclusive coverage as they'll have nobody to, in effect, challenge them to improve. Main thing I hate is they do 'coming up' and show part of a feature numerous times (but different parts of it) then when they come to show the feature it's already had 75% of it shown in their 'preview', and the features are short anyway. Plus clearly yesterday with Brundle and Ecclestone they've only made it last Brazil and Abu Dhabi in the hope people will tune in in Abu Dhabi, when really it should have all been shown in Brazil.
Thanks.

Totally understand on the whole pitwall thing - probably expressed it badly as of course if you have access to Horner you'll talk more to him than the Manor team principal.

I just felt it jarred as he was the only person they were going to and given they were already praising Red Bull a lot - with good reason to be fair - I felt it was a bit much them repeatedly going to Horner to ask him how brilliantly Red Bull were doing.
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Old 14-11-2016, 14:36
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Main thing I hate is they do 'coming up' and show part of a feature numerous times (but different parts of it) then when they come to show the feature it's already had 75% of it shown in their 'preview', and the features are short anyway. Plus clearly yesterday with Brundle and Ecclestone they've only made it last Brazil and Abu Dhabi in the hope people will tune in in Abu Dhabi, when really it should have all been shown in Brazil.
I saw the preview and then the feature, and realised after they said that that they'd shown the Abu Dhabi part in the preview. So no need to tune in in AD

Couple of other observations; Brundle disingenuously claiming Renault had chosen Palmer over Magnussen, when everybody knows Magnussen had already rejected Renault. Even Ted admitted he was the fifth choice driver in the qualifying notebook.

And I wish the timing tower would always contain this information:

- Positon
- Tyre type
- Type life (number of laps the tyre has done, solid colour new/transparent used
- Red mark or something next to the driver's name to indicate if they've still got to make the compulsory stop for the second compound (not needed in a wet race)
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Old 14-11-2016, 14:41
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The team principal chatting on the wall thing isn't a new idea though (even if it is compulsory now for one at each race). ITV started doing it about 10-11 years ago from time to time. Mike Gascoigne was a hot favourite from the tailenders to chip in
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Old 14-11-2016, 17:29
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Looks like SSF1 will stay open during Christmas, Sky Sports Darts channel is replacing Sky Sports 3 this year as announced on Sky Sports News HQ.
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Old 14-11-2016, 18:32
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Old 14-11-2016, 19:14
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(early) Merry Christmas & goodbye everyone. I love you all...
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Old 14-11-2016, 19:18
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FOM Fan, I really hope everything is all right with you?
He's recently announced the closure of his Twitter account, think this is having an influence here as well.
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Old 14-11-2016, 20:28
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First-time poster in this and occassional F1 viewer over the years (so apologies if everyone disagrees with me and I'm talking rubbish).

One of the first times I've watched the Sky coverage properly (I dip in and out of races) and have to be honestly really didn't enjoy the coverage. Even by Sky's selling standards it was bad - and made me realised how reserved by comparison their coverage of sports like football or rugby are.
They always seem to go for the OTT statements. It couldn't just be 'one of the drives of the season by Verstapen' (and it was a great ride by him) or 'Nico nearly crashed out and if he had it would've made it a winner-takes-all race in Abu Dhabi' but you instead get OTT statements like 'the drive of a generation' or 'He saw the title flash in front of his eyes' from the Sky team,

I like David Croft when he covers the darts and I've always thought that he seems knowledgable and likable so it's not like I don't think he's good but his commentary style on the F1 really irritates me.
Does feel at times as if he's commentating for a montage/the advert for the next F1 race if you get what I mean. He sounds often like he's less commentating normally on the event and more like he's constantly looking for a soundbite for the ages all the time.

Don't watch much of the pundits or presenters but can't say Lazenby or Herbert do much for me or are people I'd go out of my way to watch.

Also does Christian Horner normally appear that much on the Sky coverage? He almost felt like Howard Webb on BT's football with how often he appeared. Got a bit irritating after a while - especially if they weren't going to the directors of other teams. Almost felt like Red Bull TV at times.

In summary, not hugely impressed by Sky's coverage. Shame as normally their sports coverage does the job I find.

Have they announced a slogan yet for Abu Dhabi yet (similar to what they seem to be doing for football recently)?
I would be very surprised if we didn't end up getting something like 'Decider in the Desert', 'Race to the Title', 'Duel in Abu Dhabi' or something parroted on SSN and the F1 coverage for a good week or so before the race.

Generation may have been a tad over the top, but you argue correect, he is the youngets by far, and yes when Nico spun, I reckon he did think...sod it.. that's the championship down the drain !"
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Old 14-11-2016, 21:40
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As Martin Brundle said yesterday the reason they stopped bringing Monsoon tyres was because they never used them as anytime conditions got bad enough to warrant there use they were also far too bad to safely have cars on the track.
True, but you get red flags for just wet weather now, effectively. So in terms of level of rain required to get a race stopped the "monsoon" level back then is considerably higher than effectively the "monsoon" level now, so I definitely think there could be a usage for a modern monsoon tyre equivalent (albeit it's clear it would be expensive to cart it round the world for the few times it would ever actually be used).

It may not necessarily be a "volume of water displaced" thing but there's no doubt the full wet Pirelli is not very good and I think Pirelli could do with making the operating window of the inter and the wet a bit less overlapping and properly distinguish them a bit more.
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Old 14-11-2016, 22:05
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It's not a Monsoon tyre that is needed. Decent wet weather tyres that aren't glorified inters.
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Old 14-11-2016, 22:52
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It's not a Monsoon tyre that is needed. Decent wet weather tyres that aren't glorified inters.
It needs the FIA to let them race to disperse the water. Just trundling behind the safety car until it's dry enough for Inters doesn't do anything.
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Old 15-11-2016, 00:16
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Will the new wider tyres have a more stabilising effect in wet weather conditions?
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Old 15-11-2016, 00:50
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Something i saw that the Ex-FOM guy posted on F1 Fanatics yesterday was that they have been told by people within F1 that the problem with the Pirelli wet tyres is that they have some of the same characteristics as the dry tyres when it comes to been very temperature sensitive & having a relatively small operating window.

Like with the dry's if your a little bit outside of the operating range you have less grip & if you have to drive slower because of that you lose more temperature & have even less grip.

If true then that really needs a rethink as surely the wet range should be designed purely to be the very best they can possibly be with nothing thrown into the mix to spice up the show as has been the case with the dry's since 2011.


Will the new wider tyres have a more stabilising effect in wet weather conditions?
Martin Brundle seemed to think they could increase the risk of aquaplaning & generate a lot more spray.
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Old 15-11-2016, 09:59
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The extra downforce next season will make the biggest difference, will improve things in the wet a lot.
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Old 15-11-2016, 13:05
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It needs the FIA to let them race to disperse the water. Just trundling behind the safety car until it's dry enough for Inters doesn't do anything.
Agree, and yes it's all good and well saying they clear however many litres of water a second, that's only at high speed, not trundling around behind the SC. If it's constantly raining there's little point even going round behind the SC because you're not clearing much water due to going at low speed, and by the time you get back around, the track is as wet as it was before because the rain has still been falling.
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Old 15-11-2016, 18:04
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Old 15-11-2016, 20:38
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Sky is simulcasting Abu Dhabi GP qualifying and the whole race program live on Sky Sports Mix, Practice 1/2 is also being simulcasted on Sky Sports 1.
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Old 15-11-2016, 21:01
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I know there's absolutely no chance of it happening, but it'd be nice to see Sky promote the GP2 and GP3 title deciders along with F1 at Abu Dhabi.
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