is it Sky F1 or channel 4 that do the world feed this year
As Setanta Ire, take the world feed for every race live for coverage in ireland
As Setanta Ire, take the world feed for every race live for coverage in ireland
F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2016 Season
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Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“My point is that by faking excitement (which is what such frippery - including making camera positions closer - would do), you wouldn't solve the real issues.”
“My point is that by faking excitement (which is what such frippery - including making camera positions closer - would do), you wouldn't solve the real issues.”
Nothing fake about good camera positions.
Originally Posted by BenFranklin:
“Nothing fake about good camera positions.”
“Nothing fake about good camera positions.”
But F1 shouldn't rely on camera positions to generate excitement!
No one factor makes F1 exciting or unexciting, it's a combination of things. I don't know why you would argue against F1 having the best possible camera work.
Originally Posted by BenFranklin:
“No one factor makes F1 exciting or unexciting, it's a combination of things. I don't know why you would argue against F1 having the best possible camera work.”
“No one factor makes F1 exciting or unexciting, it's a combination of things. I don't know why you would argue against F1 having the best possible camera work.”
I don't think the examples others have given are the best possible examples of camera work though, I feel they value style over substance & would make the sport more visually disorientating & difficult to follow.
Originally Posted by ftakeith:
“is it Sky F1 or channel 4 that do the world feed this year
As Setanta Ire, take the world feed for every race live for coverage in ireland”
“is it Sky F1 or channel 4 that do the world feed this year
As Setanta Ire, take the world feed for every race live for coverage in ireland”
Setanta could use BBC 5 Live's, Channel 4's or Sky Sports F1's commentary.
I have only seen one comment about it, a guy emailed Setanta and they said they were using BBC 5 Live's commentary.
DMN may be able to shed more light on the matter.
Originally Posted by mlt11:
“TV3 (which is FTA) has now extended its rights in Spain:
- Spanish GP - live
- All other races - 60 min delay
(Telefonica has all races live on Pay TV).
http://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-n...age-deal-spain”
“TV3 (which is FTA) has now extended its rights in Spain:
- Spanish GP - live
- All other races - 60 min delay
(Telefonica has all races live on Pay TV).
http://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-n...age-deal-spain”
60 min delay or 60 minute highlights? There's a big difference!
http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/t..._deal_in_spain
C4's preview of the season is a mere five minutes on Friday evening - is that it?
I guess they're running promos but I can't say I've seen any. I know they've not had a great deal of time to set everything up but all seems very quiet publicity-wise.
I guess they're running promos but I can't say I've seen any. I know they've not had a great deal of time to set everything up but all seems very quiet publicity-wise.
Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“C4's preview of the season is a mere five minutes on Friday evening - is that it?
I guess they're running promos but I can't say I've seen any. I know they've not had a great deal of time to set everything up but all seems very quiet publicity-wise.”
“C4's preview of the season is a mere five minutes on Friday evening - is that it?
I guess they're running promos but I can't say I've seen any. I know they've not had a great deal of time to set everything up but all seems very quiet publicity-wise.”
There was a tv ad promoting it last night on Film4 with a Murray voiceover.
Originally Posted by lettice:
“There was a tv ad promoting it last night on Film4 with a Murray voiceover.”
“There was a tv ad promoting it last night on Film4 with a Murray voiceover.”
I've been hearing regular ads on Absolute Radio too. And a Sky F1 ad, but only the once.
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“That's my problem with series like GP2, GP3 & Formula E, (and to a lesser extent, bike racing): you're just seeing overtakes without any meaning, any context. Yes there's an overtake but if I don't understand what they're fighting for, what that means for the championship etc. etc. whether that overtake is an easy or difficult one (due to driver or car differences). That sort of thing. My enjoyment of a race is solely based on my ability to follow & understand what's going on track, WHY stuff is happening. Not simply how....”
“That's my problem with series like GP2, GP3 & Formula E, (and to a lesser extent, bike racing): you're just seeing overtakes without any meaning, any context. Yes there's an overtake but if I don't understand what they're fighting for, what that means for the championship etc. etc. whether that overtake is an easy or difficult one (due to driver or car differences). That sort of thing. My enjoyment of a race is solely based on my ability to follow & understand what's going on track, WHY stuff is happening. Not simply how....”
You've said this before, but I personally still fail to see how GP2/Formula E/bike racing don't give exactly the same context about the state of the race and the championship as Formula 1 does.
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“But F1 shouldn't rely on camera positions to generate excitement!”
“But F1 shouldn't rely on camera positions to generate excitement!”
Indeed. Stick a single camera with a long lens on a hill overlooking the track and have done with it.
Originally Posted by solarflare:
“You've said this before, but I personally still fail to see how GP2/Formula E/bike racing don't give exactly the same context about the state of the race and the championship as Formula 1 does.”
“You've said this before, but I personally still fail to see how GP2/Formula E/bike racing don't give exactly the same context about the state of the race and the championship as Formula 1 does.”
GP2: I don't know which teams & drivers are the best or where their strengths/weaknesses lie, so I don't know when a driver overtakes a car, whether it was an easy overtake or a difficult one, so I don't know whether I should be going "WOW, THAT WAS AWESOME!" or "Meh, surprised it took that long for him to get past" whenever I see an overtake for example.
Formula E: I don't understand how the cars work, and how Kwatts, battery etc. (that I see on the graphics) influence the performance of the cars, so I don't know whether a car is running at full pelt or not.
MotoGP: Similar to GP2, and plus I don't understand anything technical of how the bikes work so I struggle to put into context what i'm seeing on screen.
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“MotoGP: Similar to GP2, and plus I don't understand anything technical of how the bikes work so I struggle to put into context what i'm seeing on screen.”
“MotoGP: Similar to GP2, and plus I don't understand anything technical of how the bikes work so I struggle to put into context what i'm seeing on screen.”
Hondas punch out of the slow corners better; Yamaha corner better; Ducatis tend to have the highest top speed down the straights. Suzuki and Aprilia are still finding their way into the mix. And jockey-sized Dani Pedrosa is crap in the braking zone but uses his superior power to weigh ratio to get great starts off the line.
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Indeed. Stick a single camera with a long lens on a hill overlooking the track and have done with it.”
“Indeed. Stick a single camera with a long lens on a hill overlooking the track and have done with it.”
I'd happily watch a whole race from a (zoomable) birds-eye cam above the entire circuit.
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Hondas punch out of the slow corners better; Yamaha corner better; Ducatis tend to have the highest top speed down the straights. Suzuki and Aprilia are still finding their way into the mix. And jockey-sized Dani Pedrosa is crap in the braking zone but uses his superior power to weigh ratio to get great starts off the line.”
“Hondas punch out of the slow corners better; Yamaha corner better; Ducatis tend to have the highest top speed down the straights. Suzuki and Aprilia are still finding their way into the mix. And jockey-sized Dani Pedrosa is crap in the braking zone but uses his superior power to weigh ratio to get great starts off the line.”
So are they fully manufacturer backed teams? And do you get privateer teams too? or do all teams have to construct their own bikes? And who does Valentino Rossi race for now?
Sorry FOM Fan, I'm pretty sure you've got the cause and effect wrong here. You're fundamentally not that interested in GP2, FE, Moto GP, which is why you don't "get" what's going on in them - it's not the other way round.
Originally Posted by solarflare:
“Sorry FOM Fan, I'm pretty sure you've got the cause and effect wrong here. You're fundamentally not that interested in GP2, FE, Moto GP, which is why you don't "get" what's going on in them - it's not the other way round.”
“Sorry FOM Fan, I'm pretty sure you've got the cause and effect wrong here. You're fundamentally not that interested in GP2, FE, Moto GP, which is why you don't "get" what's going on in them - it's not the other way round.”
No, i'm not interested in them *because* I can't understand them. I would be interested in it if I could. Although I have to say, I don't really care for championships which are purely driver-focused. I mean I don't give a toss who wins the F1 championship for example, I only care for the constructors.
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“No, i'm not interested in them *because* I can't understand them. I would be interested in it if I could. Although I have to say, I don't really care for championships which are purely driver-focused. I mean I don't give a toss who wins the F1 championship for example, I only care for the constructors.”
“No, i'm not interested in them *because* I can't understand them. I would be interested in it if I could. Although I have to say, I don't really care for championships which are purely driver-focused. I mean I don't give a toss who wins the F1 championship for example, I only care for the constructors.”
So how do you know who's the best F1 constructor?
Originally Posted by solarflare:
“So how do you know who's the best F1 constructor?”
“So how do you know who's the best F1 constructor?”
Combination of pace, reliability & adaptability to conditions, as well as the ability to design a car well, consistently & manage its staff & finances well.
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“Combination of pace, reliability & adaptability to conditions, as well as the ability to design a car well, consistently & manage its staff & finances well.”
“Combination of pace, reliability & adaptability to conditions, as well as the ability to design a car well, consistently & manage its staff & finances well.”
And that sum's up F1 for ya
Originally Posted by TheSubaru2012:
“And that sum's up F1 for ya”
“And that sum's up F1 for ya
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What wrong with that? You get all those right, and you're likely to win races. (I was including drivers in 'Staff' btw. If you have a crap driver, they're obviously gonna weigh you down...)
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“Combination of pace, reliability & adaptability to conditions, as well as the ability to design a car well, consistently & manage its staff & finances well.”
“Combination of pace, reliability & adaptability to conditions, as well as the ability to design a car well, consistently & manage its staff & finances well.”
*Sigh*...sorry to be tiresome but how is that different from Moto GP and how does the TV broadcast get all that across in F1 that they don't (apparently) get across in e.g. MotoGP?
Originally Posted by solarflare:
“*Sigh*...sorry to be tiresome but how is that different from Moto GP and how does the TV broadcast get all that across in F1 that they don't (apparently) get across in e.g. MotoGP?”
“*Sigh*...sorry to be tiresome but how is that different from Moto GP and how does the TV broadcast get all that across in F1 that they don't (apparently) get across in e.g. MotoGP?”
Well it isn't different, but i've been watching F1 since 1997... So over time the knowledge builds up. Also it helped that pre-2001, Murray was good at explaining things to the casual viewer better than i've seen any MotoGP commentators do.
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“What wrong with that? You get all those right, and you're likely to win races. (I was including drivers in 'Staff' btw. If you have a crap driver, they're obviously gonna weigh you down...)”
“What wrong with that? You get all those right, and you're likely to win races. (I was including drivers in 'Staff' btw. If you have a crap driver, they're obviously gonna weigh you down...)”
Nothing wrong with that
BTW: Are we all getting into a stroppy bollox because FOM Fan has a different opinion than the lot of you.
Now.. Watch your F1 Report
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