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Old 30-01-2016, 16:57
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That's always been the case.

The moment you switch packages, you enter a new contract and with that abandon any previous terms that you had (including legacy HD packages).
If you ask me, Sky Q doesn't know what it wants to be, it is a platform allowing easier use of Sky on multiple devices, or is it a 4k (later this year) service OTA (Which of course will only be accessible through the main box via satellite on your TV), or what? IMO it's a bit confusing if it's both.

Interestingly, one of the plus points about the bit of Sky Q that's to do with recieving TV from the dish, is that it uses a new type of LNB where you can use it to drive apparently a max of 12 INDEPENDENT tuners simultanously from just 2 LNB cables, whereas right now it's 1 cable per tuner. This has the disadvantage of requiring a (for now anyway) apparently proprietory LNB, which will break compatibility with any other sateliite reciever or TV tuner card. So if you're like me who has a Quad-LNB dish & uses 2 of those in a Sky+ box, and the other two in a PC card so I can record freesat, you're screwed. Granted, most people will just stick with the 1 set top box, but still, leaves me in a bit of a quandry.

Even so for the general public, it's a sneaky tactic because it means that if you leave Sky & just want to watch Freesat, you can't simply take out your SkyQ box & replace it with a Freesat box. You'd have to pay an engineer to replace your proprietory SkyQ LNB on your dish with a normal one.
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Old 30-01-2016, 17:08
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If you ask me, Sky Q doesn't know what it wants to be, it is a platform allowing easier use of Sky on multiple devices, or is it a 4k (later this year) service (Which of course will only be accessible through the main box via satellite on your TV), or what? IMO it's a bit confusing if it's both.
It looks like it is a service that allows both. Sky have used this new box to not only upgrade their TV service to provide 4K, but other features aswell.

Personally I'm not a fan of the idea that the main SkyQ box is the only one that is connected to the dish, with the other boxes getting their TV signal from that box either through WiFi or the built-in PowerLine systems.

If you use your dish to view FTA channels on other boxes too you have a problem too, because SkyQ requires a different LNB on the dish that doesn't work with Sky+ or any other satellite decoder, so you have to have two dishes if you want to continue using them.

At the moment if you want/have Sky in more than 3 rooms you are screwed at the moment, as you can only have one main SkyQ box and two mini boxes, although I do believe they are increasing the number in the future.

Edit: After I quoted your post, you edited it to add what I have said above anyway.
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Old 30-01-2016, 17:19
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That's always been the case.

The moment you switch packages, you enter a new contract and with that abandon any previous terms that you had (including legacy HD packages).
Yes but it's reasonable to assume that buying Sky Q (i.e. upgrading the receiving equipment, something which you usually buy outright with Sky) isn't actually changing the package - i.e. the channels received.

I've not heard of anyone losing Sky Sports F1 though purchasing an extra multi-room box etc so the Sky Q change is new in that respect I think. (though please nobody take my word for it on adding a multi-room box- check and double-check with Sky before you change anything!)

This was all news to me, so thanks for the heads-up, Lettice.
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Old 30-01-2016, 19:35
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The IMSA.TV is now, a few minutes till start now!
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Old 30-01-2016, 19:46
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The IMSA.TV is now, a few minutes till start now!
yes working fine, a good quality stream.
commentary good too
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Old 30-01-2016, 20:59
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It's possible that with 4k coming in the middle or near the end of 2016, that Sky might push FOM to go 4k for 2017, especially if Sky Italy & Germany are also launching a 4k service (at least for just the World Feed anyway) in 2016 or 2017. That would certainly be a boon to announce 4k coverage of F1 ready for the start of the season in 2017.
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Old 30-01-2016, 21:07
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It's possible that with 4k coming in the middle or near the end of 2016, that Sky might push FOM to go 4k for 2017, especially if Sky Italy & Germany are also launching a 4k service (at least for just the World Feed anyway) in 2016 or 2017. That would certainly be a boon to announce 4k coverage of F1 ready for the start of the season in 2017.
I will wait before I make judgement on that..
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Old 30-01-2016, 21:26
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It's possible that with 4k coming in the middle or near the end of 2016, that Sky might push FOM to go 4k for 2017, especially if Sky Italy & Germany are also launching a 4k service (at least for just the World Feed anyway) in 2016 or 2017. That would certainly be a boon to announce 4k coverage of F1 ready for the start of the season in 2017.
This is FOM we're talking about. We'll be lucky to have 4K before 2047.
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Old 30-01-2016, 22:33
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How long did it take FOM to go widescreen, nevermind HD....
4K will be aloooong way off for them!
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Old 31-01-2016, 00:05
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How long did it take FOM to go widescreen, nevermind HD....
4K will be aloooong way off for them!
Wide-screen is different because until 2007, some of the races were still being produced by local broadcasters who insisted on shooting in 4:3.
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Old 31-01-2016, 03:20
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Wide-screen is different because until 2007, some of the races were still being produced by local broadcasters who insisted on shooting in 4:3.
2. Monaco and Japan. The rest was FOM TV
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Old 31-01-2016, 08:10
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Wide-screen is different because until 2007, some of the races were still being produced by local broadcasters who insisted on shooting in 4:3.
The local broadcasters did what FOM told them. Fuji TV in Japan would have been shooting 16:9 in 1997 if they had been allowed to. The fact is they weren't allowed to.
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Old 31-01-2016, 10:31
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The local broadcasters did what FOM told them. Fuji TV in Japan would have been shooting 16:9 in 1997 if they had been allowed to. The fact is they weren't allowed to.
Yep, I think they even tried a version of analogue HD back in the 90's. To describe Fuji as "holding back" FOM in some way is simply laughable - Fuji have often been the pioneers of new broadcasting technologies.
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Old 31-01-2016, 12:21
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ISMA TV stream has played without fault since the start of the race on my iPad.
The quality of the stream is great and especially when chromecasted to TV, which I will be doing this afternoon.
Really been enjoying the commentary too.
The Delta Wing was interesting, before it rear-ended another stationary car.
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Old 31-01-2016, 12:34
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I noticed during the Sportsday video montage trailer on BBC news this afternoon that the F1 clips have been removed.
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Old 31-01-2016, 13:00
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I noticed during the Sportsday video montage trailer on BBC news this afternoon that the F1 clips have been removed.
Not surprised, they lost the rights so there's every reason to remove it.
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Old 31-01-2016, 14:51
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ISMA TV stream has played without fault since the start of the race on my iPad.
The quality of the stream is great and especially when chromecasted to TV, which I will be doing this afternoon.
Really been enjoying the commentary too.
The Delta Wing was interesting, before it rear-ended another stationary car.
It's IMSA, not ISMA.
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Old 31-01-2016, 18:23
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The local broadcasters did what FOM told them. Fuji TV in Japan would have been shooting 16:9 in 1997 if they had been allowed to. The fact is they weren't allowed to.
Yes but even if Fuji were shooting in 16:9, would ever other broadcaster have been shooting in 16:9? From what i've heard, Brazil were a stickler for 4:3 right up until the end.
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Old 31-01-2016, 18:25
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Yep, I think they even tried a version of analogue HD back in the 90's. To describe Fuji as "holding back" FOM in some way is simply laughable - Fuji have often been the pioneers of new broadcasting technologies.
No-one has described Fuji as "holding back" FOM. I don't know where you got that from. I was referring to other broadcasters around the world who insisted in shooting in 4:3 up until circa 2006/2007 (Unless you think the world championship consists entirely of the Japanese Grand Prix). If anything Fuji certainly were a trailblazer, but the same can't be said for other broadcasters, particularly those in less developed countries, i.e. Brazil.

Interestingly when Channel 9 were producing the Australian GP From 2001 to 2003, they shot it in 16:9. Australian digital viewers got true 16:9 feed, Australian analogue & International viewers got a 4:3 feed.
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Old 31-01-2016, 18:31
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2. Monaco and Japan. The rest was FOM TV
No, that was AFTER 2007. In 2005 for example, 10 races weren't produced by FOM.


In other news, according to GT-Racer over on F1 Fanatic, apparently the "Additional Content" feeds (Pit lane, Onboards, Timing Screen, Driver tracker etc.) aren't locked out too much by broadcasting exclusivity contracts as the world feed is, and so "discussions are ongoing" about possibly bringing them to the F1 Access web portal.
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Old 31-01-2016, 21:16
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Yes but even if Fuji were shooting in 16:9, would ever other broadcaster have been shooting in 16:9? From what i've heard, Brazil were a stickler for 4:3 right up until the end.
Not true. Globo produced the Brazilian GP in 16:9 already in 2006. I have footage of this.
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Old 31-01-2016, 23:51
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Not true. Globo produced the Brazilian GP in 16:9 already in 2006. I have footage of this.
Let's see it then.
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Old 01-02-2016, 00:35
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Earliest i can find is 2008
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Old 01-02-2016, 00:52
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Interestingly when Channel 9 were producing the Australian GP From 2001 to 2003, they shot it in 16:9. Australian digital viewers got true 16:9 feed, Australian analogue & International viewers got a 4:3 feed.
Australian Analog viewers got 14:9 rather than 4:3.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvl...ourne-fp3_auto

I don't know about Brazil but FujiTV 1st produced a HD domestic feed in 2006:
http://i.imgur.com/7m1v1yj.jpg

And in 2005 the Belgium host also filmed in HD, Footage of which was sent out to broadcasters as a 16:9 going into 2007:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x90...6-9-demo_sport
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Old 01-02-2016, 09:11
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Australian Analog viewers got 14:9 rather than 4:3.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvl...ourne-fp3_auto

I don't know about Brazil but FujiTV 1st produced a HD domestic feed in 2006:
http://i.imgur.com/7m1v1yj.jpg

And in 2005 the Belgium host also filmed in HD, Footage of which was sent out to broadcasters as a 16:9 going into 2007:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x90...6-9-demo_sport
That's true re. the first one actually, and my complains weren't focused on Fuji, I don't know why everyone suddenly though I was referring specifically to them :/
Interestingly, Eurosport (yes i know that's not F1 related) only went widescreen in 2009... and we have Motors TV STILL refusing to go HD, despite the fact that they carry a lot of high profile events that are shot in HD.
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