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Isn't there something in the Concorde Agreement that says that F1 will maintain a substantial presence on TV in major markets, which includes the UK. There was talk when it went half Sky/ Half BBC that it could be a breach so wouldn't this be a breach? That could be interesting if it does breach the Concorde Agreement.
Regardless, F1 seems to be doing a fantastic job of taking a shit with its clothes on lately. Frankly i'd be surprised if there is an F1 worth watching come 2019. |
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I see Sky have taken their article about the GPDA letter down from their website.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...ch-to-Sky.html Mildly amusing looking back, but very relevant point as mentioned earlier at the top of the article Quote:
Formula One’s teams were forced to accept Bernie Ecclestone’s split-channel deal with Sky and the BBC because the wording in the Concorde Agreement – the contract which binds the sport’s stakeholders – only forbids the commercial rights holder from selling the rights uniquely to pay-TV.
You've got wonder how long this has been in the works, assuming the 2013 agreement removed the stipulation that F1 must be FTA. I don't know too much about how the Concorde agreement works, but other than to Sky I can't see in any way how F1 only being on Pay TV is beneficial, and I find it difficult to believe the teams/circuits etc would willingly agree to removing that from the agreement.
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Be even worse for the fans if the sport actually got interesting and they actually started racing by 2019.
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If is the important word here, looking at the state of F1 I fear by 2019 even Sky won't be interested in showing F1.
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F1 will be happy to get the short term money gain from Sky, but in the longer term they will lose out from fans as they will drop off, I am sure team advertisers and sponsors won't want to pay as much as they wont get as much exposure either.
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Setanta also getting shunned out. I'm sorry but I cannot stand the Sky team for the most part and I will not accept David Croft as the voice of the sport. I'm outta here after Channel 4 is done.
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Sky and FOM will work closely together by 2019 and I'd expect any overseas F1 streaming service to have Sky world feed comms and shared resources. Sky to handle distribution in UK and FOM / TATA the worldwide technical and TV distribution.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...ch-to-Sky.html
Mildly amusing looking back, but very relevant point as mentioned earlier at the top of the article You've got wonder how long this has been in the works, assuming the 2013 agreement removed the stipulation that F1 must be FTA. I don't know too much about how the Concorde agreement works, but other than to Sky I can't see in any way how F1 only being on Pay TV is beneficial, and I find it difficult to believe the teams/circuits etc would willingly agree to removing that from the agreement. |
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The important thing to remember is this deal secures the future of Sky Sports F1. If you really love F1, then you surely like having this channel dedicated to both original programming and great stuff from the archives.
I'm sure this investment in programming will have played a big role in the sport choosing to back sky's vision and dedication versus the FTA stuff that has no certainty or long term commitment attached to it. |
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Yes, but the 2019 & onwards season won't be *exclusively on Pay TV, as the British Grand prix will still be FTA.
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Good point, but surely one Grand Prix a year wouldn't satisfy a substantial presence requirement assuming that is in fact a term.
Also it looks like for 2017, the 4k World feed won't be different to the current HD world feed, the HD world feed will just be a downscale from the 4k one. |
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The important thing to remember is this deal secures the future of Sky Sports F1. If you really love F1, then you surely like having this channel dedicated to both original programming and great stuff from the archives.
I'm sure this investment in programming will have played a big role in the sport choosing to back sky's vision and dedication versus the FTA stuff that has no certainty or long term commitment attached to it. |
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No, and this is a good thing. Last thing we need is a FOM portal geared towards casual fans.
Only way im watching live F1 in 2019 is if FOM do a web portal. Make it so.. |
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For many the FTA races on Ch4 will be the last they'll see of the live races in a FTA environment, many not having access to Pick on freeview, plus Pick is rubblish quality.
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The point I was making is how does F1 get new fans without FTA terrestrial TV exposure?
"Wow, this is pretty cool & it's only the highlights - I wonder if the full thing will be any better? *Google's how to watch live F1 in the UK* Oh look, I see I can watch it on Sky Sports, or I can stream it on F1's website. *Pays £x for one race/week/months streaming on formula1.com* Hey, this is pretty good, and I can watch live onboards too! *Returns next race*. If you ask me, if FOM genuinely do have the rights for it and are genuinely going to launch a streaming service in 2019 to cover the shortfall for going almost entirely Pay-TV, then they've dropped the ball by not announcing it now. Too many fans will have switched off for good already. Of course, if they haven't any plans to do this, then that's a shame. 4k aside, there's only so long you can bury your head in the sand re. new broadcasting technologies/formats. |
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They watch the highlights & go:
"Wow, this is pretty cool & it's only the highlights - I wonder if the full thing will be any better? *Google's how to watch live F1 in the UK* Oh look, I see I can watch it on Sky Sports, or I can stream it on F1's website. *Pays £x for one race/week/months streaming on formula1.com* Hey, this is pretty good, and I can watch live onboards too! *Returns next race*. 'It's on Sky'... 'Oh never mind; I'll find the highlights' The cricket going off FTA had the same reaction from him too. |
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And how do I convince my 70 year old dad that to watch a sport he loves and got me passionately about?
'It's on Sky'... 'Oh never mind; I'll find the highlights' The cricket going off FTA had the same reaction from him too. According to the Guardian: "Sky buys exclusive rights to all Formula One" - that's surely an inaccurate heading? http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...ll-formula-one
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Bet Channel 4 aren't pleased. I wonder if Sky sensed there might be a threat for the renewal and swooped in thinking Channel 4 would go after a full free-to-air package after 2018?
Wonder what the teams and sponsors will think of it... I wonder if Sky put a "Godfather" offer in front of Bernie before BT could get their act together and enter the fray. Still, the timing shows a fair degree of cluelessness from the people who run the sport. |
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I think people are making too big a deal of it not being live. I want to watch it live, as do most serious fans, but for the casual viewers highlights are probably good enough and the half-live half-highlights deal was always weird and probably confused people anyway. I started off watching F1 when it was Grand Prix with Murray and James for an hour at midnight (if you were lucky). It didn't put me off.
I watched Australia via NowTV; no expensive subscription required. As long as they keep doing that then that's fine by me, or just give me a way of subscribing just to the F1 channel, that'll do too. The stories I see say this deal is "exclusive" which doesn't sound like there's room for an FOM streaming service. I would have expected it to go the other way: C4 (or someone) with a limited FTA service and for FOM to take over Sky's team to provide a premium streaming service for a fee. I'm surprised with the relatively low audience figures Sky want to do this. |
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I think people are making too big a deal of it not being live. I want to watch it live, as do most serious fans, but for the casual viewers highlights are probably good enough and the half-live half-highlights deal was always weird and probably confused people anyway. I started off watching F1 when it was Grand Prix with Murray and James for an hour at midnight (if you were lucky). It didn't put me off.
I watched Australia via NowTV; no expensive subscription required. As long as they keep doing that then that's fine by me, or just give me a way of subscribing just to the F1 channel, that'll do too. The stories I see say this deal is "exclusive" which doesn't sound like there's room for an FOM streaming service. I would have expected it to go the other way: C4 (or someone) with a limited FTA service and for FOM to take over Sky's team to provide a premium streaming service for a fee. I'm surprised with the relatively low audience figures Sky want to do this. 1. Sky have paid (what most see as) a surprisingly cheap amount for 6 years of exclusivity. 2. And also James Allen on his website has said that: "No details have been given on the online rights in the deal". and Sky don't mention it either, they only talk about TV. Personally I believe that if FOM do launch an online portal, they'll probably keep Ben Edwards & David Coulthard doing the commentary (Ben has always done FOM's season reviews & DC has started voicing the circuit guide vids on the app this year), and maybe have someone like Peter Windsor as a pit reporter, similar to what he did with F1 Digital in 2002, if they all still want to do it in 3 years time. I can't see them adding any extra in-vision stuff live - i'd imagine they'd make all pre-race stuff available on demand in the build-up to the race weekend, as they do now on the F1 app. That way it's more convenient for the viewer. A lot of other racing series do/did that, like the WEC App & the Blancpain Endurance series etc. If I was sky & i'd given FOM my exclusive online rights, I probably wouldn't want to them gift them my own coverage too. Sky would want to keep it distinctive in order to persuade fans to pay more money to watch Sky's coverage, not FOM's own. A fan has also commented on James's article asking: "does the deal give exclusive rights to online streaming too? I always wondered whether if F1 would provide a paid for service direct to consumers." and James has replied: "I think it's headed that way." Personally if FOM were to launch a streaming package, they could offer a "lite" version, that has just any build-up videos and the world feed live for all sessions, and maybe a "pro" version that also lets you watch all the extra feeds live & in sync, plus access to archive stuff? They could make a new, remastered classic race available 2 or 3 times a week for example, with a choice of commentaries & additional video feeds. |
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Well there's 2 things:
1. Sky have paid (what most see as) a surprisingly cheap amount for 6 years of exclusivity. 2. And also James Allen on his website has said that: "No details have been given on the online rights in the deal". and Sky don't mention it either, they only talk about TV. ![]() An FOM streaming service would surely be sold on premium content, as is Sky, so it seems odd to me that Sky would agree a deal where they're providing a lesser service, unless it is simply a matter of wanting to do it cheap. But £50m per year doesn't sound that cheap. |
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Maybe Sky think they have exclusive rights and will later find out that they don't.
![]() An FOM streaming service would surely be sold on premium content, as is Sky, so it seems odd to me that Sky would agree a deal where they're providing a lesser service, unless it is simply a matter of wanting to do it cheap. But £50m per year doesn't sound that cheap. Similar to what you get with the WEC, I can watch Eurosports coverage of the WEC (with their own commentary teams, PIP interviews etc.) on Eurosport Player, but I can also watch the WEC World Feed (with their own commentary team etc.) on the WEC App. |
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Where have you got this info? I can see them possibly taking Sky's commentary, but as for sky handling distribution - no way. Why would they do that for people who won't be Sky subscribers? It makes no sense.
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I don't care about HD, 3D, hearing people talk about F1 . All I want is to watch the races live on free to air.
So basically 2018 will be my final year of watching F1 then. Stick two fingers up to Bernie and Sky. They won't care they have lost me as a viewer but I'm sure I won't be the only one to find another sport to watch instead. I've been watching continuously from the early 80s and we only had highlights then (and we survived!). There's so much wrong with F1 now, heaven knows what state it'll be in, in three years time, as there seems no real desire to fix the things that need fixing, they'd rather fix the things that aren't broken. Quote:
I don't follow Cricket so i'm not that knowledgable about how the Pay TV move has affected it. Have there been hordes of people posting on fan sites that it's been the death of the sport & they're never watching it again?
According to the Guardian: "Sky buys exclusive rights to all Formula One" - that's surely an inaccurate heading? http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...ll-formula-one ![]() Back to F1 - the sad thing is that the sport is now clearly out of control and the people running things have no idea what they're doing. Not that we didn't know this, of course..... but this announcement, the ludicrous flip-flopping over qualifying and the constant washing of dirty laundry in public makes it very difficult to argue otherwise. Perhaps it's time for the teams to resurrect the idea of a break-away series with full FTA coverage and away from the greed that governs all F1 decision-making these days? Much can happen in three years and I can't imagine that many of the teams (or their sponsors) are keen on the direction the sport is taking. It's rapidly becoming a laughing stock. |
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