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F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2016 Season
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stefmeister
24-03-2016
Elimination qualifying to remain UNCHANGED for Bahrain
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...ay-for-bahrain

Didn't like it, Don't want it so won't watch it!
VincentH
24-03-2016
The Guardian says:

The new Sky deal, which runs until 2024, will see Sky broadcast the British Grand Prix on a free-to-air Sky channel available on services such as YouView

So yes I think it will be on Sky Sports Mix
samburrows
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by stefmeister:
“Elimination qualifying to remain UNCHANGED for Bahrain
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...ay-for-bahrain

Didn't like it, Don't want it so won't watch it!”

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
NoEntry2k
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by VincentH:
“The Guardian says:

The new Sky deal, which runs until 2024, will see Sky broadcast the British Grand Prix on a free-to-air Sky channel available on services such as YouView

So yes I think it will be on Sky Sports Mix”

That makes it a bit clearer.
So... if Sky don’t sell on the highlights rights to another broadcaster, and if Sky Sports Mix isn’t added to Freeview, then non-Sky customers – whether you’re paying Sky directly or via another provider (Virgin, BT etc.) – will have absolutely no F1 coverage from 2019.
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by VincentH:
“The Guardian says:

The new Sky deal, which runs until 2024, will see Sky broadcast the British Grand Prix on a free-to-air Sky channel available on services such as YouView

So yes I think it will be on Sky Sports Mix”

Are you sure? IMO the only FTA Sky channel they have on Youview (which is basically Freeview) is Pick TV. Sky Sports Mix is a Sky-only channel, for paying sky subscribers only.
Ten_Ben
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by stefmeister:
“Elimination qualifying to remain UNCHANGED for Bahrain
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...ay-for-bahrain

Didn't like it, Don't want it so won't watch it!”

And Bahrain's qualifying will pan out differently to Melbourne's because of what, exactly? Quite.

As I said earlier, the sport is a complete laughing stock. The smaller and mid-field teams really need to be threatening to breakaway... or better still, to actually do it. Start over - F1 is a lost cause and will become irrelevant before it kills itself completely. Or it will kill itself first.

To think how much I was looking forward to this season but after today, I can hardly be bothered any more.
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
I wonder whether (now that Sky have signed a new contract) Brundle will be as scathing of the new quali format as he was last weekend? xD
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“And Bahrain's qualifying will pan out differently to Melbourne's because of what, exactly? Quite.

As I said earlier, the sport is a complete laughing stock. The smaller and mid-field teams really need to be threatening to breakaway... or better still, to actually do it. Start over - F1 is a lost cause and will become irrelevant before it kills itself completely. Or it will kill itself first.

To think how much I was looking forward to this season but after today, I can hardly be bothered any more.”

Give it a go & actually watch it instead of just giving up and acting on hearsay.

Q1 (and to a lesser extent Q2) were dull only because some of the new teams fudged up their timings. Saying that, Q3 on the other hand will be even worse than last time because Bahrain's lap is longer than 90secs. So yeah, I dunno. I'm an eternal optimist, and tbh I don't give a toss where in the session the driver sets his fastest lap.
stevvy1986
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“Give it a go & actually watch it instead of just giving up and acting on hearsay.

Q1 (and to a lesser extent Q2) were dull only because some of the new teams fudged up their timings. Saying that, Q3 on the other hand will be even worse than last time because Bahrain's lap is longer than 90secs.”

I disagree. At the end of the session I want say 10 drivers on an improving track trying to get through to Q2/Q3 with it changing all the time, not maybe 3 cars on track in the last few minutes with even 12th guaranteed to go through with say 3mins remaining. Ultimately it leads to less cars on track and less action especially towards the end of the session.

Are you one of those who thought the entire session wasn't a load of complete snot? Even before the end of Q1 it was clear to me that the format was terrible, let alone by the end of Q3.
aurichie
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“I wonder whether (now that Sky have signed a new contract) Brundle will be as scathing of the new quali format as he was last weekend? xD”

Brundle will speak his mind without doubt.
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by stevvy1986:
“Are you one of those who thought the entire session wasn't a load of complete snot? Even before the end of Q1 it was clear to me that the format was terrible, let alone by the end of Q3.”

Q1 & Q2 were fine to me, Q3 less so.
jmclaugh
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by stefmeister:
“Elimination qualifying to remain UNCHANGED for Bahrain
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...ay-for-bahrain

Didn't like it, Don't want it so won't watch it!”

Almost unanimously condemned as a disaster and we're told it is to be abandoned and now it isn't. You have to laugh, F1 doesn't seem to be able run a piss up in a brewery.

As for live coverage disappearing off FTA well I'm not surprised and it will be highlights for me as no way would I pay to watch it.
The Full Sparky
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by VincentH:
“The Guardian says:

The new Sky deal, which runs until 2024, will see Sky broadcast the British Grand Prix on a free-to-air Sky channel available on services such as YouView

So yes I think it will be on Sky Sports Mix”

The guardian will be interpreting the exact same press release that we are, their article has the same worth as anyone's opinion here.

I took from it that the British GP would be free to all, and 2 further races would be sky sports mix. At the moment how that would be broadcast is unclear but there's 3 years to go.
Ten_Ben
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“Give it a go & actually watch it instead of just giving up and acting on hearsay.

Q1 (and to a lesser extent Q2) were dull only because some of the new teams fudged up their timings. Saying that, Q3 on the other hand will be even worse than last time because Bahrain's lap is longer than 90secs. So yeah, I dunno. I'm an eternal optimist, and tbh I don't give a toss where in the session the driver sets his fastest lap.”

Hearsay?

Q1 wasn't actually that bad, in fact it bode quite well for the following two but it was a false hope. Yes, there were some mistakes by teams in working out timings but the sessions still panned out as the majority of the teams had forecast that they would. I can't see why that would change next week whilst the incentive to retain new sets of tyres is so strong.

I'm *not* opposed to the elimination idea at all but it needs a lot of tweaking. It could work but not as it is right now.

I *am* opposed to F1's ridiculous headless-chicken mode. Can no-one inside the sport see the damage that it's doing? It needs a complete overhaul, stripping-down to basics and being rebuilt. Instead of adding more and more regulation, it needs simplicity in its aims, rules and regulations. It needs everyone involved to agree a long-term strategy and to stop washing all their dirty laundry in public. Can't see it happening, though.
NoEntry2k
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by The Full Sparky:
“The guardian will be interpreting the exact same press release that we are, their article has the same worth as anyone's opinion here.

I took from it that the British GP would be free to all, and 2 further races would be sky sports mix. At the moment how that would be broadcast is unclear but there's 3 years to go.”

I appreciate a lot can change in 3 years... but based on today’s situation that would mean that the British Grand Prix would be live on PickTV and at least two other live Grand Prixs and Highlights of all other races would air on Sky Sports Mix (available to all Sky customers). Non-Sky customers would only be able to watch the British Grand Prix, no other races, no other highlights.
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“I *am* opposed to F1's ridiculous headless-chicken mode. Can no-one inside the sport see the damage that it's doing? It needs a complete overhaul, stripping-down to basics and being rebuilt. Instead of adding more and more regulation, it needs simplicity in its aims, rules and regulations. It needs everyone involved to agree a long-term strategy and to stop washing all their dirty laundry in public. Can't see it happening, though.”

I agree entirely. It needs to be consistent & transparent. OK, maybe not necessarily simple in terms of technical regs (A simple car is not always a fast one). However IMO there are too many parties involved, all with completely different conflicting interests, so unfortunately I doubt that will never happen.
Ten_Ben
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by NoEntry2k:
“I appreciate a lot can change in 3 years... but based on today’s situation that would mean that the British Grand Prix would be live on PickTV and at least two other live Grand Prixs and Highlights of all other races would air on Sky Sports Mix (available to all Sky customers). Non-Sky customers would only be able to watch the British Grand Prix, no other races, no other highlights.”

And would many actually bother? I can't see a lot of point myself and I say that despite 30+ years as a fan. It's the season that's of interest, not just one race in the middle of the year.
Ten_Ben
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“I agree entirely. It needs to be consistent & transparent. OK, maybe not necessarily simple in terms of technical regs (A simple car is not always a fast one). However IMO there are too many parties involved, all with completely different conflicting interests, so unfortunately I doubt that will never happen.”

Indeed, hence my final comment saying the same. We do agree on some things, then!
Guv'nor
24-03-2016
Joe Saward hits the nail on the head again

https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2016...-when-to-stop/
stevvy1986
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“Q1 & Q2 were fine to me, Q3 less so.”

I politely choose to disagree. I can't see how having loads of action at the beginning of a session and naff all at the end is anything other than beyond terrible. Personally I thought the only way it could've been worse is if there'd been no session at all. That's how bad it was.

The really stupid thing for me however is that nobody (fans, teams, drivers, pundits) said qualifying needed changing, yet not only did they change it, but they made it so much worse than the previous system (which while not perfect, at least delivers multiple cars on track at the end of each session and some genuine tension, excitement and drama, which the current format emphatically does NOT do in my view).
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
Slightly p***ed off to read on Twitter that sky have paid a vast amount more than £50m per season (just heard a figure of close to a billion £ for the 6 years), and apparently it includes "complete exclusivity", implying exclusive online rights. But that's not confirmed, so you never know. Still...
stefmeister
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by stevvy1986:
“I disagree. At the end of the session I want say 10 drivers on an improving track trying to get through to Q2/Q3 with it changing all the time, not maybe 3 cars on track in the last few minutes with even 12th guaranteed to go through with say 3mins remaining. Ultimately it leads to less cars on track and less action especially towards the end of the session.”

Completely agree.

I know that some felt Q1 & even Q2 were not so bad but I felt that Q1 & Q2 were just as bad as Q3 was, They were just bad in a different way.

I know it was an overused word over the weekend but the thing I loved about qualifying as it was was the way each segment built up into a crescendo where over the final 2-3 minutes you had a dozen cars on track all pushing to improve there times & the drivers in the drop zone could change a dozen times in the final few seconds as each driver crossed the line & I found that exciting.


At Melbourne in Q1 yes fine you had everyone out on track at he start but from then there was just no real excitement, No real tension & rather than building to a nice crescendo the session kind of fizzled out once the eliminations began & there wasn't really anything to be that excited about over the final minutes. Q2 was the same but worse as you had no cars on track towards the end & Q3 played out again similar but even worse.


Like I said in my last post I didn't like it so I just won't be watching qualifying for Bahrain (I don't think i've missed a qualifying session for about 20+ years) or any other where this system is in place. If they were to keep the elimination phase only for Q1 I'd simply not watch Q1 & only turn on at about the time I'd expect the 1st non-elimination phase to start.
The Full Sparky
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“And would many actually bother? I can't see a lot of point myself and I say that despite 30+ years as a fan. It's the season that's of interest, not just one race in the middle of the year.”

well, BT sports showcase gets tiny audiences for its champions league coverage, despite being on freeview. I suspect they'd be so low unless they were on, say, 1-5, that it wouldn't be worth it for that 1 race.
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
I wish people would stop waving their "I've been a fan for xx years!" thing as a badge of honour... What the heck has the amount of years you've followed something got to do with it?

The same with publicly "defecting" to other sports like the WEC (yet still coming in to bash F1 as if they still care about it in some way). Who says you only have to watch 1 championship anyway? Motor racing is too ****ing tribal if you ask me. I watch & enjoy F1, WEC & the Blancpain GT Series, without being needlessly biased towards one or the other. They're all 4-wheeled, non-spec (to an extent) motor racing series & so I enjoy them.

It reminds me quite a bit of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGcHNnI2mh4

If you're leaving, there's the door. We can probably guess the reasons, no need to make a big song & dance about it.
eljmayes
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“Slightly p***ed off to read on Twitter that sky have paid a vast amount more than £50m per season (just heard a figure of close to a billion £ for the 6 years), and apparently it includes "complete exclusivity", implying exclusive online rights. But that's not confirmed, so you never know. Still...”

I'd imagine the figure would be somewhere near the £75 million mark per year. Channel 4 nor any other UK broadcaster (bar maybe BT) could feasibly afford that.
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