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F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2016 Season
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BenFranklin
24-03-2016
As explained before, the fundamental flaw with the qualifying set up is that you can be five places above being knocked out, then suddenly find yourself in the danger slot with no time to react. Nonsense system.

Q1 should be 10 minutes long, everyone is allowed one flying lap. top 10 proceed.

Q2 30 minutes long, everyone gets 3 sets of the best tyre and are just allowed to go for it.
_SpeedRacer_
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by NoEntry2k:
“That makes it a bit clearer.
So... if Sky don’t sell on the highlights rights to another broadcaster, and if Sky Sports Mix isn’t added to Freeview, then non-Sky customers – whether you’re paying Sky directly or via another provider (Virgin, BT etc.) – will have absolutely no F1 coverage from 2019.”

I don't think that' true, I believe it's this from the wording of the press release:

- The British GP weekend live, and all other weekends as highlights MUST be available on all FTA platforms. So either Sky can show it on Pick (unlikely) or allow C4/ITV/BBC to continue in the background. Allowing a more prominent broadcaster take these rights isn't such a bad thing for Sky as it's essentially promoting the sport for them, getting potential new subscribers lined up in a similar way to MOTD for football.
- Sky Sports Mix is NOT an FTA platform, it's part of the basic Sky package so with only this and no sports package you can watch 3 races live.
- I thought the lack of information about online streaming was interesting. If FOM were going to offer something then it would also explain why Sky have only had to pay £50m per season. But I have wondered whether FOM are only able to offer the "extra" feeds like onboards and data rather than the world feed to not upset the rights holders around the world.
stevvy1986
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by BenFranklin:
“As explained before, the fundamental flaw with the qualifying set up is that you can be five places above being knocked out, then suddenly find yourself in the danger slot with no time to react. Nonsense system.”

Agreed. Can you imagine on a drying track you go from 6th to 19th in the space of 45 seconds but you're still 5 seconds away from completing your lap which under the 2015 system would put you 2nd, but actually that lap is totally irrelevant because you've already been knocked out and can't respond before you're knocked out.
Ten_Ben
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“I wish people would stop waving their "I've been a fan for xx years!" thing as a badge of honour... What the heck has the amount of years you've followed something got to do with it? ”

Quite simply when you've invested countless weekends over many years following something you love, to have it taken away from you in this way kind of makes it all the more galling. We're the supporters who've helped to build the sport up, have watched it in the good times and the bad, have been to races and bought the merchandise. If it wasn't for us, it wouldn't be where it is now.

It's not a 'badge of honour', it's a statement of how passionate and loyal fans have been. For me, it is, anyway. It's been enjoyable, yes, but you do start to wonder if it's all been worthwhile.
bluesmurf
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by stefmeister:
“Elimination qualifying to remain UNCHANGED for Bahrain
http://www.autosport.com/news/report...ay-for-bahrain

Didn't like it, Don't want it so won't watch it!”

What are they trying to do? Are they trying to see how low they can get the viewing figures? Looks like something to give a miss.
NoEntry2k
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“I don't think that' true, I believe it's this from the wording of the press release:

- The British GP weekend live, and all other weekends as highlights MUST be available on all FTA platforms. So either Sky can show it on Pick (unlikely) or allow C4/ITV/BBC to continue in the background. Allowing a more prominent broadcaster take these rights isn't such a bad thing for Sky as it's essentially promoting the sport for them, getting potential new subscribers lined up in a similar way to MOTD for football.
- Sky Sports Mix is NOT an FTA platform, it's part of the basic Sky package so with only this and no sports package you can watch 3 races live.
- I thought the lack of information about online streaming was interesting. If FOM were going to offer something then it would also explain why Sky have only had to pay £50m per season. But I have wondered whether FOM are only able to offer the "extra" feeds like onboards and data rather than the world feed to not upset the rights holders around the world.”

So when The Guardian say Sky will broadcast a few live races and highlights of all other races on a ‘new FTA channel’ they are wrong? This is what’s confusing me, the press release isn’t very clear which has resulted in many interpretations of it – ranging from no live or highlights coverage at all (except the British GP) for FTA (Freeview) viewers, to the situation remaining largely the same as it is now with a FTA broadcaster showing highlights of all races and occasional live races too. Still so many unknowns about what this deal actually means...
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
Not broadcasting related, but ex-F1 racer & Jack Brabham's son (& David Brabham's brother) Gary has just been jailed in Australia for raping a 6-year old girl: http://www.autosport.com/news/report...d-in-australia
D.M.N.
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by eljmayes:
“I'd imagine the figure would be somewhere near the £75 million mark per year. Channel 4 nor any other UK broadcaster (bar maybe BT) could feasibly afford that.”

It's a lot more than that.

Sky would have gone big enough to block BT off and to lock the rights out three years in advance of the deal even beginning. Unfortunately, a figure of around £150 million per season does not surprise me in the slightest.
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“It's a lot more than that.

Sky would have gone big enough to block BT off and to lock the rights out three years in advance of the deal even beginning. Unfortunately, a figure of around £150 million per season does not surprise me in the slightest.”

Where do you think this leaves online rights, at least for the UK - do you think Sky have got exclusivity, allowing them to geoblock any online service that FOM may launch worldwide?
clewsy
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by madmusician:
“You say that, but it's likely isn't it, if Sky go down the BT Showcase road? They may well sub-licence highlights and British GP rights to the BBC or to C4, but there is every likelihood that they fulfil the FTA side of this deal by using Pick. It all depends on what their small-print with FOM says. After all, BT fobbed off UEFA by using their never-advertised-barely-watchable Showcase channel.”

I think it's more complicated as this is a Government protected event, so has to be on the main terrestrial channels?
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“I think it's more complicated as this is a Government protected event, so has to be on the main terrestrial channels?”

F1 isn't a govt. protected event unfortunately.
The Full Sparky
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“It's a lot more than that.

Sky would have gone big enough to block BT off and to lock the rights out three years in advance of the deal even beginning. Unfortunately, a figure of around £150 million per season does not surprise me in the slightest.”

I think it might also be a bit more complicated than, you've paid a pound more than terrestrial broadcasters, here's the rights - given the impact on advertising and sponsorship revenue.
Ten_Ben
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“It's a lot more than that.

Sky would have gone big enough to block BT off and to lock the rights out three years in advance of the deal even beginning. Unfortunately, a figure of around £150 million per season does not surprise me in the slightest.”

How on earth is that going to pay for itself? No-one on this thread (or elsewhere that I've seen) has said they're planning to subscribe to Sky, so that can only mean whopping price rises which will potentially lead to a proportion of other subscribers cancelling.
clewsy
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“F1 isn't a govt. protected event unfortunately.”

No the British GP is I'm sure?
RedSnapper
24-03-2016
Seems fairly obvious that to comply with the wording of the deal Sky will add a highlights channel to Freeview (and also use it to show the British GP) - not sure why so many people cant see this.
Ten_Ben
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by RedSnapper:
“Seems fairly obvious that to comply with the wording of the deal Sky will add a highlights channel to Freeview (and also use it to show the British GP) - not sure why so many people cant see this.”

If it was that obvious, there wouldn't be so much discussion about it! Sky already has a Freeview channel but the wording specifically says a 'new' channel. No wonder there's confusion and various interpretations.
The Wanderer
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“No the British GP is I'm sure?”

It definitely isn't
The Full Sparky
24-03-2016
Pick has been used for NFL games recently so it's possible.
thedoppelganger
24-03-2016
As an ageing F1 Viewer it's probably time to announce my retirement from Viewing. It's time to make way for new talent - the up and coming young Pay Viewers who bring money with them. Well if drivers can retire so can we...

Sky's announcement should make the Sky team nervous - why should they be the ones to keep their jobs? There will be ex BBC/CH4 talent available. Time to boot out Hill and Herbert for starters IMO.

4K pictures from Sky? That ties in with their upcoming third NowTV box which has 4K capability (assuming your broadband's fast enough). It's based on a Roku 4.
There's an underlying plan here that's older than we may think.....
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by thedoppelganger:
“4K pictures from Sky? That ties in with their upcoming third NowTV box which has 4K capability (assuming your broadband's fast enough). It's based on a Roku 4.
There's an underlying plan here that's older than we may think.....”

Well I'm pretty sure that they'd keep 4k available only for those who pay for a "Full" sky package, not for those who only have Now TV. i.e. You want 4k: Pay for the proper service, not the cut-down temporary now TV stuff.
RedSnapper
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“If it was that obvious, there wouldn't be so much discussion about it! Sky already has a Freeview channel but the wording specifically says a 'new' channel. No wonder there's confusion and various interpretations.”

Many are to busy ranting and raving to actually think clearly.
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by RedSnapper:
“Many are to busy ranting and raving to actually think clearly.”

The guardian's headline is simply "Sky buys exclusive rights to all Formula One" which isn't strictly true. "All Formula One" implies they now have a 100% stakeholding in the entire sport
alexj2002
24-03-2016
Originally Posted by The Full Sparky:
“I think it might also be a bit more complicated than, you've paid a pound more than terrestrial broadcasters, here's the rights - given the impact on advertising and sponsorship revenue.”

Audience numbers would certainly get taken into account, but it's not just a few quid difference in the offerings. I believe the BBC were paying just under £30m/season when they held live rights to all the races in 2009-2011. I'm seeing suggestions that Sky will be paying in the region of £100-150m/season.

Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“How on earth is that going to pay for itself? No-one on this thread (or elsewhere that I've seen) has said they're planning to subscribe to Sky, so that can only mean whopping price rises which will potentially lead to a proportion of other subscribers cancelling.”

As you say, prices will have to go up, cutbacks will be made to the production (such as happened with The F1 Show & Midweek Report this season) and more advertising (would not be surprised to see Sky adopt the same ad-scheduling as C4 will be using as soon as they gain exclusivity with a quick 1-advert break just before the formation lap and another during the slowdown lap).

Sky's Premier League football rights double in price from this August I believe as well (to around £1400m/season) so there's plenty of money that they need to claw back.
FOM Fan
24-03-2016
It's such a shame that when the sport looks like to be getting better on the track, it's all falling apart behind the scenes -_-
clewsy
24-03-2016
I guess ITV and the BTCC and Formula e could becone short term winners as people start looking elsewhere for motorsports.
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