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F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2016 Season
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mjr
01-04-2016
Based on watching some of my FP2 recording, we're back to the coverage managing to make the cars look slow. The perception of speed from the cars is totally different from Melbourne, where for the first time for a while the cars looked fast, yet I'm sure the speeds are comparable if you looked at the raw numbers.
bobnick
01-04-2016
Bernie sounds like he's been looking to Trump for his speaking inspiration
Hacker Harrier
01-04-2016
They both need to sort their hair out.
Ten_Ben
01-04-2016
Originally Posted by solarflare:
“Some interesting/"interesting" comments from Bernie as per Autosport article:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report...qualifying-fix



Is he saying a net gain of viewers? Can't get my head round if that makes any sense or not (and indeed if it's plausible or not from that method).



25 million...what? 25 million viewers a season? A theoretical reach of 25 million per race if everyone who could potentially view it actually viewed it even if the actual number of people who viewed it was a fraction of that? A massive spike of 25 million viewers for the one race that everyone can see without paying for it? No idea.



This is the way we have to move forward because that's where the money is. How can it otherwise be?”

The bloke has totally lost the plot. I've given up taking notice of anything that comes out of his mouth. He'll be saying something different next month.

25 million people? In the UK? Yeah, right.

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As for the breaks, they came every twelve minutes or so which is no different to any other programme on the channel. I'm really not sure what people expected. It's a commercial channel. The commercials pay the bills. End of. Besides, nothing was missed. On the couple of occasions anything happened during the break, it was shown straight afterwards. We know there won't be ad breaks on Sunday or during qualifying. It's free practice FFS people need to get real.
stefmeister
01-04-2016
Quote:
“"They're going to get to more people than you would believe. They're going to get to 25 million people with the type of broadcast they are planning," said Ecclestone.”

The bit in bold is whats most interesting to me as Bernie seems to be hinting that Sky are going to be doing something different.
mjr
01-04-2016
Originally Posted by mjr:
“Based on watching some of my FP2 recording, we're back to the coverage managing to make the cars look slow. The perception of speed from the cars is totally different from Melbourne, where for the first time for a while the cars looked fast, yet I'm sure the speeds are comparable if you looked at the raw numbers.”

I take that back, mostly. It was ok later in the session, now I've watched more of it.
stefmeister
01-04-2016
Looks like the WTCC will have 360 degree rotating roof-cam's this year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zKJJyFaPNI
Ten_Ben
01-04-2016
Originally Posted by stefmeister:
“The bit in bold is whats most interesting to me as Bernie seems to be hinting that Sky are going to be doing something different.”

It's the usual Bernie guff. It's bluster: saying things without actually saying anything. There's no context. We don't even know if he's talking about the UK and Ireland or Germany and Italy as well.

What does 'get to' mean, anyway? Channel 4 can 'get to' 25 million people *now* but it doesn't mean the majority of them actually watch. I'm sure Sky can 'get to' 25 million people in some shape or form but, again, it doesn't mean they're all watching / buying / subscribing.
popeye13
02-04-2016
Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“It's the usual Bernie guff. It's bluster: saying things without actually saying anything. There's no context. We don't even know if he's talking about the UK and Ireland or Germany and Italy as well.

What does 'get to' mean, anyway? Channel 4 can 'get to' 25 million people *now* but it doesn't mean the majority of them actually watch. I'm sure Sky can 'get to' 25 million people in some shape or form but, again, it doesn't mean they're all watching / buying / subscribing.”

I'll be surprised if Bernie even knows the true viewing figures for the UK audience!
Most of what he says he wings of the top of his head and contradicts himself within a few hours.
Look at what he said when the Channel 4 contract was signed, then just months later, does a deal with Sky for exclusive coverage. So C4 can't have been that much of a great addition to F1 TV coverage in the UK and something to be excited about.
The man is an idiot
scardis
02-04-2016
Originally Posted by Hacker Harrier:
“Ad breaks every 10 minutes. Sounds like US-style motorsport coverage. Watched IMSA sportscar coverage last year. On the international feed the FOX Sports commentators didn't talk during the breaks, so there was just silence. Every 10 minutes. For virtually the entire duration of each race. It's little wonder US motorsport (excluding NASCAR) has really poor TV ratings.”

Well thankfully commentary did continue on Channel 4s world feed during breaks.
scardis
02-04-2016
Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“The bloke has totally lost the plot. I've given up taking notice of anything that comes out of his mouth. He'll be saying something different next month.

25 million people? In the UK? Yeah, right.

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As for the breaks, they came every twelve minutes or so which is no different to any other programme on the channel. I'm really not sure what people expected. It's a commercial channel. The commercials pay the bills. End of. Besides, nothing was missed. On the couple of occasions anything happened during the break, it was shown straight afterwards. We know there won't be ad breaks on Sunday or during qualifying. It's free practice FFS people need to get real.”

Really? I was under the impression they would run ads between Qualifying sessions.
Ten_Ben
02-04-2016
Originally Posted by scardis:
“Really? I was under the impression they would run ads between Qualifying sessions.”

Between the sessions, yes, but that's not going to cause us to miss anything.
William_Olive
02-04-2016
Look at this joke of punditry by Herbert. The worst I've seen for ages.

'Fernando Alonso should retire', says Sky Sports F1's Johnny Herbert.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/241...johnny-herbert
FOM Fan
02-04-2016
Originally Posted by William_Olive:
“Look at this joke of punditry by Herbert. The worst I've seen for ages.

'Fernando Alonso should retire', says Sky Sports F1's Johnny Herbert.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/241...johnny-herbert”

Maybe Herbert should have retired after his 1988 F3000 crash, cos, y'know the fact that he was involved in that crash (even though it wasn't his fault) shows that his abilities were deteriorating, just like Alonso apparently .
Hacker Harrier
02-04-2016
There's European Formula 3 at Paul Ricard (France), today and tomorrow. Hopefully the video steam isn't geo-blocked. http://www.fiaf3europe.com/live/ Race times advertised may be CET.
solarflare
02-04-2016
Originally Posted by stefmeister:
“The bit in bold is whats most interesting to me as Bernie seems to be hinting that Sky are going to be doing something different.”

It sounds like an interesting quote but it could end up being something banal.

The "type of broadcast they are planning" could just mean something like a simulcast between SSF1/SS1//Sky Sports Mix/Freeview Channel ??? for one race.
_SpeedRacer_
02-04-2016
Originally Posted by Ten_Ben:
“It's the usual Bernie guff. It's bluster: saying things without actually saying anything. There's no context. We don't even know if he's talking about the UK and Ireland or Germany and Italy as well.

What does 'get to' mean, anyway? Channel 4 can 'get to' 25 million people *now* but it doesn't mean the majority of them actually watch. I'm sure Sky can 'get to' 25 million people in some shape or form but, again, it doesn't mean they're all watching / buying / subscribing.”

I remember when the original Sky/BBC deal was announced, Bernie said something like "it's in over 8 million homes so viewing figures should remain the same"

He's probably just referring to the reach of Sky services today through the likes of NowTV. But audiences through all mediums (not just TV) will be much lower in the future.
Ollie_S98
02-04-2016
Originally Posted by William_Olive:
“Look at this joke of punditry by Herbert. The worst I've seen for ages.

'Fernando Alonso should retire', says Sky Sports F1's Johnny Herbert.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/241...johnny-herbert”

I have long wanted a Sky pundit to be a bit controversial in what they say and try and create a bit of debate so I don't want to be too critical of this. However, it does smack of trying to create controversy.
Eddie Jordan clearly holds some strong views on Formula 1 and expresses them consistently, even if it means he gets called a 'village idiot'. Herbert however doesn't really seem to have done that at all, if anything he's been too bland in his punditry- so this really seems to have come out of the blue. The last mildly controversial thing I remember him saying was having a go at Grosjean in 2012 after his series of incidents.
To continue the comparison with EJ, Eddie is someone who holds a lot of clout in the paddock and although he is perceived as a bit of a nutter you can see that people respect him. Is that the same for Herbert? Maybe I'm being harsh on him but if it was Damon- World Champion- that had said this maybe we'd be viewing if differently.
So I read the article properly and there are some decent points raised in it, the comparison with Schumacher after his return is interesting one (although not necessarily one I agree with) as well as Alonso not enjoying the new V6 cars.

But the rest of the article is bizarre- the comparison with Jenson and Alonso is unfair. How are you meant to compare these two on last years performance?! The car was so bad they didn't have a chance to race.

My favourite bit however is 'He still has a good racing brain and knows where to put the car, but he doesn't have the pace.' Now I may be being a bit thick here- but isn't that what a driver does effectively? Have a racing brain, put the car in the right place on track and press the peddles at the right time. Surely the pace comes from the car? It's this car that doesn't have the pace. No?
The drivers role is the positioning on track and knowing when to deploy all the gadgets and look after the tyres (racing brain).
Maybe its me being relatively new to motorsport meaning I don't entirely understand it but I'm not sure that line of argument makes any sense.

Another thing that has bugged me is that both Brundle and now Herbert have criticised Alonso for not protesting about wanting to be in the car this weekend. Yet, he can't be. He's been deemed medically unfit to race. The FIA won't let him in the car. I'm not sure what more they want him to do. They seem to have this image of the 'good old days' when they'd jump back in the car no matter what. Well, drivers died in the 'good old days'.

To be fair to Brundle, he appears to have changed his mind on Twitter this morning, making sure it is known that it is the FIA that isn't letting Alonso race and not a lack of effort on behalf of the team/Alonso.

Apologies, it's a bit ranty and maybe a little unfair. Probably just got up on the wrong side of bed this morning!
mjr
02-04-2016
Didn't Alonso get caught out by the Haas starting to harvest and losing all the ERS boost just as he was going to pull out of the slipstream? It was mainly unlucky timing from what I can tell, nothing like Schumacher running up the back of another car in Singapore a few years ago.

He's also intelligent enough to know that shouting and stamping his feet isn't going to get the FIA doctor to change their mind, so what's the point getting mad about it? That and it makes sense to recover rather than risk a permanent injury.

If Alonso retired this year (and I don't think he will) it won't be due to any lack of ability.
solarflare
02-04-2016
Originally Posted by Herbert:
“Jenson [Button] has done a better job.

"He's commented that he'd be happy to leave F1 with two world championships - that is a man who has not just given up the chance of winning another, but that effectively is giving up on racing."

Herbert was amazed that Alonso did not fight harder to drive in Bahrain after the doctors declared him unfit.

"He had the incident in Barcelona and he didn't go racing, but when a driver has an accident usually they want to get back in the car - when I crashed I told everyone I wanted to get back in the car. But even with his crash in Australia we still didn't get that.

"If it was a race-winning car and possibly there was a world championship at stake I think he would be in the car. You always find a way, just like Niki Lauda did after his burns in 1976.”

Just so much wrong with all that...where to start?

If Button's done a better job is not like it's that much better, so presumably it's his time to end to. Button's also sounded equally weary/lacking enthusiasm at times.

Alonso didn't "fight harder to drive after the doctors declared him unfit"? What's he supposed to do, bribe the doctors, try and hide his injuries, what?

"Just like Niki Lauda" - irrelevant comparison is irrelevant.

Can't be all pro-driver safety and then start bitching that the drivers are trying to race despite medical opinions to the contrary.

Originally Posted by mjr:
“Didn't Alonso get caught out by the Haas starting to harvest and losing all the ERS boost just as he was going to pull out of the slipstream”

Davidson commented post-race in Melbourne the Haas was drifting left a bit at that moment as well, which I agreed with myself.

Racing incident, not time to hang up your boots. More like time for Herbert to hang up the punditry mike,
stefmeister
02-04-2016
Originally Posted by Hacker Harrier:
“There's European Formula 3 at Paul Ricard (France), today and tomorrow. Hopefully the video steam isn't geo-blocked. http://www.fiaf3europe.com/live/ Race times advertised may be CET.”

They also usually post races on Youtube a few hours after the race ends:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FIAF3EUROPE/featured
Ollie_S98
02-04-2016
Fernando Alonso to Johnny Herbert, as he confronts him live on air: You're not a real champion, mate.

The passive aggression was beautiful!
lettice
02-04-2016
Haha Alonso shakes Johnny's hand.
'You ended up a commentator, cause your not a world champion'.
mjr
02-04-2016
Had to see that to believe it, haha
skinj
02-04-2016
Don't know what to make of Alonso there. If it was meant to be a bit of a joke between friends its didn't work.
If it was meant to be a serious retort to a well thought out bit of opinion from Herbert, it failed dismally and just came off as a bit childish.
Funny as **ck to see happen but not sure what to make of it!
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