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F1 Coverage - The Verdict: 2016 Season
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DanielF
03-04-2016
Originally Posted by believethehype:
“Titchmarsh is stepping down and only doing some races this season.”

Really? That's a big shame.
AlexanderF1
04-04-2016
impressed with c4 coverage. the straight to the point pre race stuff worked well with adverts.
Post race was far too short(especialy with ads). why didn't they stay on air for another hour like bbc or sky. It just felt rushed at the end surely that would add more ad revenue too.
Steve jones is to stop start with his lines and then buts in whenever a pundit is talking. I just don't like his presenting style. loved it when mark and dc walked into each other on the grid walk.
chrisr21
04-04-2016
I imagine if anybody was waiting to watch the full race replay on All 4, they'd be very frustrated. It's still not up there.

I was planning on taking a look at 4's pre race coverage to see how it was as I didn't have the opportunity to watch any build up live.
diablo
04-04-2016
I was very pleased with the coverage. I recorded It and started watching the recording half an hour after the programme started so I could skip the ad breaks.

Not too keen on their main presenter but most of the rest was pretty good. Fantastic race as well.

I dunno how often Suzie Wolff will be in the team but she added something for me.
_SpeedRacer_
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“I suspect most of the sky f1 viewers are loyal to sky f1? There can't be that many who switch it over to c4, as I suspect they become used to the "sky way" and makes sense every race weekend.

Viewer wise the sport probably has a set range, which probably wouldn't fluctulate the overall advertising rate that much. Remember this is a key market in advertising and currently ITV4 is the best outlet for many of these advertisers to reach a FTA audience on a regular occasion.

The fact they have decided not to do it is their choice. Still shouldnt stop us looking at it commercially as a very strange and uneconomical decision.”

There used to be a dropoff in Sky viewers during the BBC live races so will be interesting to see if the same effect is still in place for C4. One would think so, because it's the pretty much the same team that's moved across.
lettice
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by chrisr21:
“I imagine if anybody was waiting to watch the full race replay on All 4, they'd be very frustrated. It's still not up there.

I was planning on taking a look at 4's pre race coverage to see how it was as I didn't have the opportunity to watch any build up live.”

Checked sky on demand and still no On demand content for any F1 c4 up there.
Nothing on my tv app under all4 either.
The all4 website seems to be listing it, but its insisting for a login, so as its only a once compare did not bother.
Might do a recording of the next c4 live one, be easier I think.

Certainly some great through the field racing yesterday and Croft and Brundle certainly were kept busy with their commentary on the track. But they made a big mistake and with Ted at the time with mistaking Rosberg/Hamilton during a pits stop.
i4u
04-04-2016
Steve Jones on C4, did his co female pit lane presenter get peed off with him when talking about drivers he often steered it to how good looking she thought they were?
i4u
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by AlexanderF1:
“Steve jones is to stop start with his lines and then buts in whenever a pundit is talking. I just don't like his presenting style. loved it when mark and dc walked into each other on the grid walk.”

The grid walk was a shambles two presenters going their separate ways with just one camera.

I assume the plan was to have back to back interviews but it didn't happen, instead of one person walking around with no one to talk to we had two and camera didn't seem to know which one to follow.
gomezz
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“Football is much shorter”

Both about one and a half hours give or take.
derek500
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by lettice:
“Checked sky on demand and still no On demand content for any F1 c4 up there.
Nothing on my tv app under all4 either.
The all4 website seems to be listing it, but its insisting for a login, so as its only a once compare did not bother.
Might do a recording of the next c4 live one, be easier I think.
”

There's a 49m highlights show available now (SD and HD).
DEmberton
04-04-2016
I avoided the temptation to pay for Sky and watched on C4, but I did find myself missing Ted, Brundle & co. The ads between the qualifying sessions and the number of ads in the first half hour of the race show did annoy me, but then it got better and I thought the grid walk worked well. But I couldn't believe they went to an ad break with a minute to go; I really thought they'd screwed up and were about to miss the start, or would come back just as the parade lap was finishing (and so would have missed Vettel retiring).

Susie Wolf was pretty pointless, as said, and I thought Webber was a bit redundant alongside Coulthard; they're just too similar, and they both seemed a bit confused as to their role. Steve Jones was okay, but looks completely out of place in an F1 paddock.

Good race though. Lots of action all the way through, and I think the three tyre types is working very well. Qualifying wasn't that disastrous; again I thought Q1 was great, and this time Q3 wasn't so bad. Perhaps the half-way strategy of using the old Q3 would have been fine and nobody would be complaining.
Pete_uk
04-04-2016
I was quite happy with the live coverage on C4 yesterday. DC and Mark Webber are great together. I can see another channel wanting to get hold of them before long though
FOM Fan
04-04-2016
Re. Sauber, it's been suggested on Twitter that Fiat might buy them out (I presume if they withdraw from 2016) and use their assets to launch an Alfa Romeo team?
clewsy
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by FOM Fan:
“Re. Sauber, it's been suggested on Twitter that Fiat might buy them out (I presume if they withdraw from 2016) and use their assets to launch an Alfa Romeo team?”

Will that car be built to the same shocking standards as their road cars? Where others are held together with screws, Alfa use glue.
_SpeedRacer_
04-04-2016
Figures dropped drastically:

Quote:
“According to overnight television ratings, which were shared by C4's press office, its live coverage peaked at 3.2 million viewers with an average of 2.3 million viewers. This compares with Sky's 605,000 average viewers on pay TV.

The coverage on Sunday across Sky and C4 peaked at 4.01m (30.2 percent of the overall TV audience) – which is down from the 5.31m (30.8 percent) that watched on BBC and Sky as Lewis Hamilton won last year's race.

Sky's audience has dropped from an average of 640,000 viewers last year, while the BBC's average audience last year was 3.83 million.”

theARE
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“Figures dropped drastically:”

Well what do they expect? Qualy is a farce and enough to turn anyone off.
C4 are doing a decent enough job but they can't be expected to bring new viewers to a product that's in a self-indulgent mess at the moment.

Plus the Sky 2019 announcement pretty much killed any incentive for C4 to try and build a new audience - what's in it for them when Sky's going to get the lot in 3 years anyway?

To be frank I pity Sky at the moment to have (apparently) invested £1bn over 6 years into a stinking pile of doo-dah that they cant even know will exist by then.

If this mess with FOM/FIA/Teams continues there may be talk of breakaway series again before the year's out.
clewsy
04-04-2016
Most worrying is if these people don't have sky and have no intention of getting sky then think of the decline in viewing in the UK.

It could be a car crash for the sport.
Turnbull2000
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“Figures dropped drastically:”

I've found myself indifferent to the whole charade this year. The gradual elimination of European classic tracks, the utter farce that is qualification, gimmicks such as DRS, engines that sound like a dry fart, the absurdity of engine freezes that severely limits the ability of other teams to catch up. It's culminated in me just not bothering to switch it on!
theARE
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by Turnbull2000:
“I've found myself indifferent to the whole charade this year. The gradual elimination of European classic tracks, the utter farce that is qualification, gimmicks such as DRS, engines that sound like a dry fart, the absurdity of engine freezes that severely limits the ability of other teams to catch up. It's culminated in me just not bothering to switch it on!”

I can understand that.

If you do switch on again do yourself a favour and:
1. don't watch Qualy (it's rubbish)
2. Don't watch the race build up (all they do is talk about how rubbish Qualy was and how awful the decision making in F1 is)
3. Dont look at F1 news sites (all they do is talk about how rubbish Qualy was and how awful the decision making in F1 is)

just watch the race lights to flag.
Australia race was decent.
Bahrain race was pretty good, and very chaotic at the start.

The races are just about the only redeeming feature at the moment.
clewsy
04-04-2016
Realistically how easily could a rival series be created?

Could the teams just pack up all the kit and roll it back out in a new series eg: R1 Series (made it up for an example).

Or does much of the spec and content belong to F1 so it's not as simple as breaking away?
i4u
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by theARE:
“To be frank I pity Sky at the moment to have (apparently) invested £1bn over 6 years into a stinking pile of doo-dah that they cant even know will exist by then.

If this mess with FOM/FIA/Teams continues there may be talk of breakaway series again before the year's out.”

If your figure and my sums are correct then all Sky need is less than 350,000 subscribers to break even and then there's advertising & sponsors income.
bobnick
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by i4u:
“If your figure and my sums are correct then all Sky need is less than 350,000 subscribers to break even and then there's advertising & sponsors income.”

But if you look at a proxy for how many F1 fans in the UK are prepared to pay a few pounds to gain better coverage of their sport - by buying F1 Racing Magazine - you'll see they shift 31k copies a month, and have an extra 900 readers subscribing digitally through iTunes / Google Play.
FOM Fan
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by clewsy:
“Realistically how easily could a rival series be created?

Could the teams just pack up all the kit and roll it back out in a new series eg: R1 Series (made it up for an example).

Or does much of the spec and content belong to F1 so it's not as simple as breaking away?”

That's the thing though, the teams don't want the logistical headache of having to set up & regulate an entirely series. Given that the teams would need to collectively agree on: Technical & Sporting Regs, circuit contracts, broadcasting contracts, 3rd party suppliers such as tyre suppliers, that sort of thing. It would never happen, or if it did happen, it would collapse in a few years like FOTA did. Also Bernie owns the rights to the "GP1" name. Also i'm sure most 3rd party suppliers of kit the teams currently have would most likely sever any existing contracts they have.
_SpeedRacer_
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by i4u:
“If your figure and my sums are correct then all Sky need is less than 350,000 subscribers to break even and then there's advertising & sponsors income.”

There was an estimate from Jonathan Palmer a few years ago that there's about 100,000 "hardcore" motorsport fans in the UK. And how many of them have that extra money for Sky? So to get an extra 350k subscribers purely on the back of F1 is actually quite a tall order.
bobnick
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by _SpeedRacer_:
“There was an estimate from Jonathan Palmer a few years ago that there's about 100,000 "hardcore" motorsport fans in the UK. And how many of them have that extra money for Sky? So to get an extra 350k subscribers purely on the back of F1 is actually quite a tall order.”

You would expect most hardcore fans who can afford Sky to have paid for it already rather than miss 10 live races a year.
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