The Transformers movies are *exactly* what come to mind during the "big bad's" scenes.

The CGI is just unbelievably poor.

Yes, that's not exactly selling it is it?
No, for me I find it an ordeal to sit through a Transformers movie.

It's like saying to me that if I don't mind drinking bleach I might really like the film.

The CGI is the least of SS's problems.

Script is dire and the casting was a skillful lesson in not to recruit for a movie version of a DC favorite.

It's utterly embarrassing, Robbie is a nice pair of breasticles but can't act for toffee, Smith phones in yet another stinking performance, movie is so bad it makes Battlefield Earth look good.

Interesting.
On Rotten Tomatoes The Top Critics rating is 20%, but the Audience Score is 73%.

How can this be? I've looked at various other ratings for films where the discrepancy between critrics and audience rating can vary, but it's usually a difference of around 10 to 15% at most. Rarely more than that.
So how does this film acquire a discrepancy of 53% between Top critics and Audience Score?

I don't want to subscribe the conspiracy theory out there, but this does strike me as a bit odd.

It's like being assaulted by lots of very annoying people, all shouting and waving shiny things in front of your face for two hours, isn't it?

I'd sort of hoped for quite a lot more than that. Call me demanding if you will.

Because most fans out there are going "Will Smith and Margot Robbie were fantastic in it, the movie did Harley Quinn great justice, therefore it was a fantastic movie!!" despite the fact, that as a few people have pointed out, it's got an absolutely dire script, awful CGI and the action never really rises above bog-standard territory.

I mean, with fans, they're allowed to go into this movie with their brain switched off, and if that's the way you go into it, you'll probably have fun. But critics do have to take into account *everything* surrounding the film. And from a purely critical standpoint, a lot of the steps this movie takes are just... hard to ignore. The CGI, the writing, the bizarre pacing issues, the fact the film can't quite decide if it wants to be taken seriously or if it wants to be all out fun. These are issues critics have to consider that your general audience will probably ignore.

To some fans out there, the actors are all that matters, and even I, who didn't really like the movie has to say that the actors did do well with what little they were given. But to a small group of the more odd fans out there, it's all about giving the film a good score regardless to try and give DC the leg up on Marvel.

I think I could handle dodgy CGI as long as the story was good....or, there was a story at all beyond a load of stuff moving about very quickly....and very noisily.

I believe Warner are on a hiding to nothing with their desire to create a DC Cinematic Universe in the mold of Disney MCU, Warners have misfired on every attempt so far and their choice of Zack Synder to head up the DCCU beggars belief.

DC's films seem to be trying to outdo each other in terms of how bad they are.

Agreed with you on the script.

However, I thought Robbie was surprisingly great. Every now and then she let the "Harley" accent slip through and I totally bought that she was Harley.

As for Will Smith? I've realized very recently that that dude rarely *actually* acts. He just plays himself. Men in Black - a movie I used to absolutely love - was on the TV today and I just found it unwatchable now because Will Smith is again playing himself. Just like in Suicide Squad.

I have to say I do think Smith's casting was the biggest example of "stunt" casting superhero movies have seen in a while.

I've said it before but Wonder Woman is their last chance now.

This movie has done so well with the young female department because this is essentially the first "superhero" movie with a female character in one of the lead roles. And that seems to be paying off for Suicide Squad thus far.

So if they can nail Wonder Woman? They may just redeem themselves even after 3 less-than-great movies. I would say I'm not getting my hopes up because it's DC, but I have to say, the trailers did look quite grand.

That's a decent summary.

I think you and ShotDownInFlame have it covered, so I don't have to do my usual ranty review

Does it really do Harley Quinn justice? The trailers didn't fill me with much confidence. 'The voices' thing for example...not good. It's not a lot to go on, I understand.

Her character was edgy in perhaps what a 14 year old girl would consider edgy, though I think she did a reasonable job at portraying it. At times, she was an interesting character, at other times, for me personally, it felt a bit cringy and try hard.

I don't know the comic though- had never heard of suicide squad before this film,. so my opinion might not mean much to you.

Sorry not having that, Will Smith/Deadshot was one of the best things in this movie.

There issue's with this movie but Will Smith wasn't the one of them.

Wait Deadshot was in this movie?!?! All I saw was Will Smith...


The trailers did not fill me with confidence for anything, but I have to say, Margot Robbie did a great job. I wasn't entirely convinced, but then there's one scene where she comes up against a certain familiar hero and from that point on I was sold. Also you get your "Mistah J's" and your "puddin's" so it's a pretty damn accurate portrayal all things considered.

That sucks for you then i guess.

Haha, have to agree. He sort of took me out of the film. To be fair to him, he does play that one, one dimensional role well


True, I think she did pretty well with an average script, though I think this whimsical but tough act was done better in Tank Girl. I know a lot of people hated that film, but I actually quite enjoyed it

This also reminded me of Mystery Men in parts, but again I think that was a better film.

As much as it is easy to rag on him for playing the same one dimensional role in every action movie he does time and time again, I have to say, credit where it's *kinda* due, that scene with him on top of the police car shooting down the monsters was one scene in the movie which got me smiling like an idiot - though I'm not sure whether I actually liked the scene itself. or if I liked it because it reminded me of the cover art for the classic video game "DOOM"


I've not seen either of those movies, will have to add them both to my watch list!

She's been done quite a few ways in comics. I like the character best when she's most similar to the original version from the Batman animated series.

She doesn't even have to be edgy as such. I'd prefer recklessly whimsical. She's might murder a bunch of people for no reason, but it's not really malicious.....and you still kind of like her.

I'll take that.

Me too, it was obvious, but it worked. Sometimes style over substance is a good thing! It's how it's shot over how much is spent really for me. Often it's the little bits in films you remember too- flashy effects mean nothing if you don't know how to use them. I mean, I much preferred Battle Royale over the Hunger Games for example and that was less than a hundredth of the budget, literally. Crazy really, all that money and I still thought the hunger games was shite!


Erm, don't be so quick to do that- there are better films (at least with the critics!), they were just good examples to use. Though if you look at the lead in Tank Girl, it's sort of the standard for me in terms of that sort of female role I think Margot was shooting for. It came out in about 95, I was quite young when I watched it, but I still don't think it deserved the hate when I watched it more recently, as long as you say... watch it drunk and don't take it seriously Mystery Men is worth a watch too, it's a bit like Galaxy Quest, daft, but enjoyable. I think they both deserve some kind of cult appeal.

Battle Royale is in my top 10 movies of all time, I've never seen all out batshit action and intensity done quite like that before, the Japanese really know what's up. But then Hunger Games blatantly just ripped off that entire movie and made it more friendly for the Harry Potter/Twilight teen audience, which obviously stripped the basic premise of everything that made it good in the first place. So I'm totally in agreement, Hunger Games was shite.


I haven't seen Galaxy Quest either so that'll be another one to check out eventually

Saw this tonight & I have never been so bored while watching a movie, I literally couldn't wait for the utter mess to finish so I could get home. The writing was dire, most of the acting was dire, the pacing was dire & the effects were pretty dire as well.

I got the impression that most of the cast phoned their performance in. Jared Leto was absolutely atrocious as the joker & at no point in the movie did he come across as menacing or scary, if there was a oscar for worst performance of the year he should win it. The "gangbanger" look they gave the joker just looked silly.

It really is obvious that the studio decided they knew better than the director. The movie felt very disjointed in a lot of places so there was obviously a lot of scenes cut from it.

You know it's a bad movie when the three of us said well that was crap but at least the soundtrack had some good songs on it.

Worldwide gross of $129,725,000 in it's opening weekend so far, so could certainly be on the way to breaking even at least.

Still got quite a lot of foreign markets to open in as well.

Only another $600m to go.