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Old 16-08-2016, 18:28
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I liked Jared, just a shame the whole film was so underdone - so much potential.

The trailers were quite disingenuous making out The Joker was far more important to the story than he actually was, as for the ending if I see another big CGI monster that get's offed with some glib one liners.

Deadpool sets the standard post Dark Knight methinks.
As a DC movie fan I just think we had this time rich, po-faced symphony in the 'Batman Begins' trilogy (now incredibly consigned to a kind of continuity shitpile) while the rushed and trailer-pleasing BvS and SuSquad, while fair enough blockbusters, are purely driven by money and getting bums on seats. I was no real fan of Marvel comics but love their films and the care and time taken to tell powerful stories. In the DC universe at the moment I love the villains Harley Quinn and Cpt Boomerang one hundred times more than any of the JLA. Something ain't right.
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Old 16-08-2016, 19:25
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I saw it this afternoon and thought it was okay, but nothing special. I liked the Batman cameos more than anything else. One thing struck me yet again, Margot Robbie is just the most beautiful woman who's ever drawn breath.
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Old 17-08-2016, 00:54
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My apologies if this has already been discussed, but methinks we won't be seeing Jared Leto appear as the Joker again any time soon:

"According to a summary posted by a Leto fansite on Tumblr, Leto is said to have felt 'sort of tricked into being part of something that had been pitched to him very differently'"

According to the report, Leto said he thought it would be a more artistic production and was 'overwhelmed by all the hate regarding the look and choices.' He also said he hasn't yet seen the film after being disappointed to hear what did and didn't make it into the theatrical cut.

Leto also confirmed that his contract for Suicide Squad prohibited him from doing various dangerous activities that he enjoys, like rock climbing. In response to this stipulation by Warner Bros., Leto said 'f—k 'em.'"

Source: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/08/1...-suicide-squad

So Leto is pretty much furious at Warner Bros' for essentially falsely advertising Suicide Squad and the extent of his role to him,and it would appear he's not too happy with the studio's interference and subsequent middling-to-negative reaction of the film.

Whether or not Leto is contracted for more films is up in the air right now, but it certainly doesn't seem like he's in a position where he'd willingly go and do another movie with DC and Warner Bros.
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Old 17-08-2016, 07:53
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My apologies if this has already been discussed, but methinks we won't be seeing Jared Leto appear as the Joker again any time soon:

"According to a summary posted by a Leto fansite on Tumblr, Leto is said to have felt 'sort of tricked into being part of something that had been pitched to him very differently'"

According to the report, Leto said he thought it would be a more artistic production and was 'overwhelmed by all the hate regarding the look and choices.' He also said he hasn't yet seen the film after being disappointed to hear what did and didn't make it into the theatrical cut.

Leto also confirmed that his contract for Suicide Squad prohibited him from doing various dangerous activities that he enjoys, like rock climbing. In response to this stipulation by Warner Bros., Leto said 'f—k 'em.'"

Source: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/08/1...-suicide-squad

So Leto is pretty much furious at Warner Bros' for essentially falsely advertising Suicide Squad and the extent of his role to him,and it would appear he's not too happy with the studio's interference and subsequent middling-to-negative reaction of the film.

Whether or not Leto is contracted for more films is up in the air right now, but it certainly doesn't seem like he's in a position where he'd willingly go and do another movie with DC and Warner Bros.
Interesting, lol at Ayer saying the theatrical was his cut of the film.
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Old 17-08-2016, 08:01
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My apologies if this has already been discussed, but methinks we won't be seeing Jared Leto appear as the Joker again any time soon:

"According to a summary posted by a Leto fansite on Tumblr, Leto is said to have felt 'sort of tricked into being part of something that had been pitched to him very differently'"

According to the report, Leto said he thought it would be a more artistic production and was 'overwhelmed by all the hate regarding the look and choices.' He also said he hasn't yet seen the film after being disappointed to hear what did and didn't make it into the theatrical cut.

Leto also confirmed that his contract for Suicide Squad prohibited him from doing various dangerous activities that he enjoys, like rock climbing. In response to this stipulation by Warner Bros., Leto said 'f—k 'em.'"

Source: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/08/1...-suicide-squad

So Leto is pretty much furious at Warner Bros' for essentially falsely advertising Suicide Squad and the extent of his role to him,and it would appear he's not too happy with the studio's interference and subsequent middling-to-negative reaction of the film.

Whether or not Leto is contracted for more films is up in the air right now, but it certainly doesn't seem like he's in a position where he'd willingly go and do another movie with DC and Warner Bros.
I actually agree with what Leto is saying. Nearly all the trailers hinted very heavily at The Joker being in the movie more than what he was. I'm wondering if the reported reshoots were something to do with re-tooling who the villain became in the film.

I think it depends on what his contract states. 99.9% of the time you hear that actors have been signed up for X number of films. I think this may be the case with Leto, but I haven't heard anything either way.

I do want to see Leto's Joker go up against the Bat in the solo film and think this could work if DC/WB put some planning into it.
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Old 17-08-2016, 08:59
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Jared wasn't born yesterday, he knows how Hollywood works. I doubt he'd be this naive.
If he really is contracted to do more films he'd better not mouth off too much.
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Old 17-08-2016, 13:32
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I feel sorry for Jared in the same way I feel sorry for Ben Affleck. Two great actors who excelled at their parts but Warner let them down big time.
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Old 17-08-2016, 13:50
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I feel sorry for Jared in the same way I feel sorry for Ben Affleck. Two great actors who excelled at their parts but Warner let them down big time.
True but at least Affleck is taking control with the solo Batman project, that may be a good opportunity for Leto's Joker to excel, if he were asked to join the film, who knows.
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Old 17-08-2016, 14:09
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I feel sorry for Jared in the same way I feel sorry for Ben Affleck. Two great actors who excelled at their parts but Warner let them down big time.
True but at least Affleck is taking control with the solo Batman project, that may be a good opportunity for Leto's Joker to excel, if he were asked to join the film, who knows.
I think Leto's Joker would be a good opponent to Afflecks Joker, especially with the fact that its heavily hinted that Joker and Harley were involved or at least instrumental in the death of whatever encarnation of Robin exists in this universe. Leto did show much promise as a Joker who would pull off this type of stunt.

*Starts hoping for the Red Hood Storyline to be the backbone for the solo Batman film*
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Old 17-08-2016, 14:30
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I think Leto's Joker would be a good opponent to Afflecks Joker, especially with the fact that its heavily hinted that Joker and Harley were involved or at least instrumental in the death of whatever encarnation of Robin exists in this universe. Leto did show much promise as a Joker who would pull off this type of stunt.

*Starts hoping for the Red Hood Storyline to be the backbone for the solo Batman film*
I can also see Leto's Joker pulling off the events in The Killing Joke, but that would be asking for too much...
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Old 17-08-2016, 15:20
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My apologies if this has already been discussed, but methinks we won't be seeing Jared Leto appear as the Joker again any time soon:

"According to a summary posted by a Leto fansite on Tumblr, Leto is said to have felt 'sort of tricked into being part of something that had been pitched to him very differently'"

According to the report, Leto said he thought it would be a more artistic production and was 'overwhelmed by all the hate regarding the look and choices.' He also said he hasn't yet seen the film after being disappointed to hear what did and didn't make it into the theatrical cut.

Leto also confirmed that his contract for Suicide Squad prohibited him from doing various dangerous activities that he enjoys, like rock climbing. In response to this stipulation by Warner Bros., Leto said 'f—k 'em.'"

Source: http://uk.ign.com/articles/2016/08/1...-suicide-squad

So Leto is pretty much furious at Warner Bros' for essentially falsely advertising Suicide Squad and the extent of his role to him,and it would appear he's not too happy with the studio's interference and subsequent middling-to-negative reaction of the film.

Whether or not Leto is contracted for more films is up in the air right now, but it certainly doesn't seem like he's in a position where he'd willingly go and do another movie with DC and Warner Bros.
I can totally respect his perspective, but at the same time, we've had what, three Jokers already? Batman has plenty of other villains that the studio could make use of it they wanted a replacement for Joker.

I think it depends on what his contract states. 99.9% of the time you hear that actors have been signed up for X number of films. I think this may be the case with Leto, but I haven't heard anything either way.
Some actors (and/or actresses) get out of their respective contracts sometimes. Just think how uninterested Natalie Portman was in Thor 2. If they force Leto to reprise his role, they'll be doing so knowing full well that he wouldn't be putting in 100%, and everyone (studio and fans alike) will suffer for it.

I think Leto's Joker would be a good opponent to Afflecks Joker, especially with the fact that its heavily hinted that Joker and Harley were involved or at least instrumental in the death of whatever encarnation of Robin exists in this universe. Leto did show much promise as a Joker who would pull off this type of stunt.
Two Jokers?
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Old 17-08-2016, 15:57
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I actually agree with what Leto is saying. Nearly all the trailers hinted very heavily at The Joker being in the movie more than what he was. I'm wondering if the reported reshoots were something to do with re-tooling who the villain became in the film.
I can totally respect his perspective, but at the same time, we've had what, three Jokers already? Batman has plenty of other villains that the studio could make use of it they wanted a replacement for Joker.
I agree. There are so many other villains. I want a decent Riddler to go up against Bats. However, pretty much like Harley's back story, you need The Joker for what happens in The Red Hood storyline. (True my knowledge of this is very limited to the latest Batman Arkham game, but that is just calling to be made). For some reason, I find DC villains more interesting than the Marvel ones. Just me though.

I think it depends on what his contract states. 99.9% of the time you hear that actors have been signed up for X number of films. I think this may be the case with Leto, but I haven't heard anything either way.
Some actors (and/or actresses) get out of their respective contracts sometimes. Just think how uninterested Natalie Portman was in Thor 2. If they force Leto to reprise his role, they'll be doing so knowing full well that he wouldn't be putting in 100%, and everyone (studio and fans alike) will suffer for it.
I have heard of either the studio or even the actor or actress nulling the contracts due to poor reception to either the actor, film or something else. Depends on the clauses. (I'm no lawyer)

I do want to see Leto's Joker go up against the Bat in the solo film and think this could work if DC/WB put some planning into it.
Ah, you noticed my deliberate mistake! Well done you! (Do you think that worked?) Anyway gone back and fixed it.
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Old 18-08-2016, 00:48
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SPOILER ALERT

Okay. Not only am I late to the party but it's late so excuse any mistakes and I really can't be arsed to use spoiler covers. So, I saw Suicide Squad today. I have seen all this years capes & tights movies and this was easily the worst. It wasn't terrible, but if it's potential had been wrapped up in an egg, Warner decided in their wisdom to juggle it on a cliff edge and then drop it. I didn't feel I would be as let down by a good start in a film again I was by X-men Apopcalypse (great first ten minutes) but SS topped it. Or should that be bottomed it.

Pros:

The Joker. Well done all concerned for a new and sinister take on a famous villain. Up there with Afflecks batman.

Harley Quinn. When you think about it, even the boommerang guy has more practical skills than her but she was a definite highlight.

Amanda Waller

Will Smith. Notice I didn't say deadshot, because I didn't buy Smith as that character for a second. But Smith is highly watchable in whatever he does.

El Diablo - him, I believed in.

The first twenty minutes.

The bar scene

The end credits scene.

Cons:

Deaths of main characters should mean something. As much as a dick as Joe Pesci was in goodfellas, I didn't want him to die. But the early death in SS meant nothing because they gave him the character development of a rock.

As watchable as he is, Will Smiths dirty thumbprints were all over the script, somehow arranged to spell out "make me the most likeable hit man ever!" Oh, for the days when he had the guts to play gay conmen......

I believed in Amanda Waller until she got her gun out. That wasn't cold, it was just OTT.

The Enchantress dancing like a penguin having an elleptic fit. That took me right out of the film and people around me laughed. How the f**k did that make it through to the final edit? Don't people check these things?!

Awkward dialogue, bad audio and jokes falling flat. I couldn't hear a single word Killer Croc said until his line about BET at the end and would a thousand + year old woman really tell a guy about to end her "you don't have the balls?" As for the jokes - Deadpool this ain't.

Not enough Joker

Not enough concessions made to non-fans of DC in general or SS in particular. For instance, I would like to have seen at least one scene showing WHY quinn fell for the Joker or at least a hint of who or what El Diablo truly was. And the brother guy? Why didn't Amanda Waller know about him as well?

Not a pro or a con but something I need answered... Is Amanda Waller metahuman herself in the comics? She was being held underwater at the end, right? And yet appeared with not a hair out of place or a drop of water on her.

Also why did Batman kiss Quinn after knocking her out? That seemed creepy to me.

Unlike every single one of the other superhero movies this year, I can't recommend this one. Too much wrong with it.
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Old 18-08-2016, 01:20
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Also why did Batman kiss Quinn after knocking her out? That seemed creepy to me.
I've seen other people question this, which suggests it is quite confusing, despite my thinking it was pretty straightforward. My take on it was Batman was trying to administer the kiss of life, after Harley Quinn's dip in the water. She was faking being unconscious (or quickly regained consciousness) and tried to kiss Batman while he was giving her mouth-to-mouth. I thought it was fairly obvious - but you're not the only one who's queried it - so perhaps it wasn't that obvious after all.
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Old 18-08-2016, 07:56
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I feel sorry for Jared in the same way I feel sorry for Ben Affleck. Two great actors who excelled at their parts but Warner let them down big time.
Because they arent a patch on the Burton films.
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Old 18-08-2016, 11:49
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I love it, Harley Quinn is so sexy
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Old 18-08-2016, 14:15
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Been thinking on this yesterday, and how it's been labelled as DC's Guardians in some fashion. We know (or at least highly speculate) that at some point in the MCU, likely in Infinity War the Guardians are going to meet up with, and assist the Avengers.

What are the chances that, going forward, the Justice League will be working alongside the Suicide Squad? The latter undoubtedly providing more a supporting role (cause none of the surviving members actually have super powers), but could this be something that'll happen? Does anyone know whether something similar has happened in the comics?
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Old 18-08-2016, 17:07
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I've seen other people question this, which suggests it is quite confusing, despite my thinking it was pretty straightforward. My take on it was Batman was trying to administer the kiss of life, after Harley Quinn's dip in the water. She was faking being unconscious (or quickly regained consciousness) and tried to kiss Batman while he was giving her mouth-to-mouth. I thought it was fairly obvious - but you're not the only one who's queried it - so perhaps it wasn't that obvious after all.
Sorry m8 I don't buy that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tM8WlhdSFM

Yes, he does feel her pulse, but there were no signs of clearing an airway, no chest-pushing (though that could have been even more creepy ) and no other signs he was trying to revive her. Yeah, he stopped (well, throttled her) once she got into it, but at the start it looked like he leaned into her and twisted his head for a full on bat-snog.

Seriously, it was more like niche-porn than CPR. If he actually was trying to bring her round then that's yet another scene that was badly misguided.

Been thinking on this yesterday, and how it's been labelled as DC's Guardians in some fashion. We know (or at least highly speculate) that at some point in the MCU, likely in Infinity War the Guardians are going to meet up with, and assist the Avengers.

What are the chances that, going forward, the Justice League will be working alongside the Suicide Squad? The latter undoubtedly providing more a supporting role (cause none of the surviving members actually have super powers), but could this be something that'll happen? Does anyone know whether something similar has happened in the comics?
Haven't read the comics and I don't know about working together - at least not initially a la Batman V Superman. In the end credits scene, it's hinted at that they will probably be fighting each other at some point - which is one of the reasons I liked that particular scene so much. Mind you, Wonder Woman could take SS by herself....
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Old 18-08-2016, 19:56
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Haven't read the comics and I don't know about working together - at least not initially a la Batman V Superman. In the end credits scene, it's hinted at that they will probably be fighting each other at some point - which is one of the reasons I liked that particular scene so much. Mind you, Wonder Woman could take SS by herself....
With the exception of Batman (no actual super powers), any of the Justice League (by themselves) could take out the entire Suicide Squad as it presently stands.

They're no match for Superman,
They're no match for Wonder Woman,
They're no match for (an eventual) Green Lantern,
They're no match for Flash, and
They're no match for Cyborg

One on One, I'm pretty sure Batman would be able to take them all down too. If he nearly managed to take down Superman, I'm pretty sure a run of the mill bad guy wouldn't be a big problem for him if it came down to it.

The only way to Suicide Squad would pose a legitimate threat to the Justice League is if their squad members changed more into people with actual powers; more El Diablo type characters. As the squad currently stands, they don't stand a chance against any individual Justice League member.
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Old 19-08-2016, 07:46
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I've seen other people question this, which suggests it is quite confusing, despite my thinking it was pretty straightforward. My take on it was Batman was trying to administer the kiss of life, after Harley Quinn's dip in the water. She was faking being unconscious (or quickly regained consciousness) and tried to kiss Batman while he was giving her mouth-to-mouth. I thought it was fairly obvious - but you're not the only one who's queried it - so perhaps it wasn't that obvious after all.
Sorry m8 I don't buy that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tM8WlhdSFM

Yes, he does feel her pulse, but there were no signs of clearing an airway, no chest-pushing (though that could have been even more creepy ) and no other signs he was trying to revive her. Yeah, he stopped (well, throttled her) once she got into it, but at the start it looked like he leaned into her and twisted his head for a full on bat-snog.

Seriously, it was more like niche-porn than CPR. If he actually was trying to bring her round then that's yet another scene that was badly misguided....
I went and saw this again. (Someone I knew hadn't seen it and I have an Unlimited card, so its no big deal.) Anyway, back to this scene, what I *think* was supposed to be implied was that Bats was attempting to give the kiss of life and Harley was pretending to be out of it. As Makosi's pants says, it was either badly misguided or it could have been poorly shot or edited. She did pretend to be unconscious in the water before attempting to stab him.
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Old 19-08-2016, 10:51
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I went and saw this again. (Someone I knew hadn't seen it and I have an Unlimited card, so its no big deal.) Anyway, back to this scene, what I *think* was supposed to be implied was that Bats was attempting to give the kiss of life and Harley was pretending to be out of it. As Makosi's pants says, it was either badly misguided or it could have been poorly shot or edited. She did pretend to be unconscious in the water before attempting to stab him.
I think it was very obvious that he tried to revive her and not went for a snog.
Some people have too much imagination.
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Old 19-08-2016, 16:14
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Some people have too much imagination.
I would be inclined to agree here. It's obviously people envisioning they were Batman, and then thinking what they would have done in that situation.

The actual idea that Bruce Wayne would try to steal a kiss from someone in the manner which is being implied is, well, an idiotic notion to be quite honest. It's Batman.
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Old 19-08-2016, 16:56
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Leto couldn't clean Health Ledgers boots in terms of acting ability and playing the joker.

He needs to wind his neck in.
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Old 19-08-2016, 20:41
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I loved this film .
Though now I don't know whether I loved it because my expectations were so low due to bad reviews or whether I thought it was genuinely good
Harley I think is fantastic, I like Leto's Joker though I was hoping for more scenes. He kind of seemed shoe horned in.I would love love a film with him and batman AND harley
. is it happening ? Tell me it is
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Old 19-08-2016, 22:32
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I think it was very obvious that he tried to revive her and not went for a snog.
Some people have too much imagination.
Firstly, in a shared superhero universe that requires us to believe that the most famous man in the world can totally disguise himself with a pair of spectacles, I think a lot of imagination is a basic requirement don't you? Secondly, it's not obvious at all. I typed "Did batman kiss Harley Quinn" into google and this is what came back:

https://www.google.co.uk/?client=fir...d%3F&gfe_rd=cr

You'll see that both Digital Spy and the Telegraph thought it was a different sort of mouth-to-mouth as well...

I would be inclined to agree here. It's obviously people envisioning they were Batman, and then thinking what they would have done in that situation.

The actual idea that Bruce Wayne would try to steal a kiss from someone in the manner which is being implied is, well, an idiotic notion to be quite honest. It's Batman.
Well, that just proves you're as bad a pyschologist as Dr Quinn. You want to be careful, otherwise you might just wake up with the joker trying to "revive" you.....

It's a pity that, out of all the points I raised, this seems to be the one to get the most attention. But it just shows how inept that scene was. Though I'm glad the film seems to be critic proof (in the UK at least) the real tragedy is that the Batman/harley scene is nowhere near the most muddled scene in the movie.

I loved this film .
Though now I don't know whether I loved it because my expectations were so low due to bad reviews or whether I thought it was genuinely good
Harley I think is fantastic, I like Leto's Joker though I was hoping for more scenes. He kind of seemed shoe horned in.I would love love a film with him and batman AND harley
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Glad you and others loved it, even though I didn't. The concept is definitely interesting enough for a sequel - which hopefully will be better - and that won't happen without box-office and fan-love.

And I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you
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