Yes money above everything, great thing you're not a studio.

You'd be loosing out anyway cause reputation is equally if not more important than money in the long run.
The more shitty films WB produces the less profit they gonna make as more and more viewers will stop giving them the benefit of a doubt.
The fact alone that BvS (which is their attempt at an Avenger-esque movie) failed to make a billion says it all.
And now China is not interested anymore either.

Things are truly looking up.
Only a delusional fanboy like yourself would pretend DCs EU had a strong start.

stronger start than marvels first 3 films thats a fact.

why are you calling me a fanboy btw? i love marvels films. its possible to be a fan of both

Well, in the end, I decided not to bother and wait for the DVD.

Not at all. Marvel went from strength to strength (not that they didn't stumble here and there), whereas WB is on a downwards spiral.
Also you can't compare the two so easily as WB benefits from the groundwork Marvel build. They didn't start from zero like Marvel did with their Universe.

FYI I'm well aware you can like both, I myself do. Batman is probably my favorite Superhero next to Spiderman. Doesn't mean you're not a fanboy.

how about you prove how i am one? pretty sure that word is against DS rules. dont make me report you

and as for frist 3 films, DC ones grossed more. its a fact. stop embarrassing yourself by denying it

I rest my case.

Yeah, it's out November. Was kinda hoping for an alternate cut of some kind though. Oh well, least it'll be available in 4k.

True.

Iron Man (2008) - $585,174,222
The Incredible Hulk (2008) - $263,427,551
Iron Man 2 (2010) - $623,933,331

And the rest of Phase One:

Thor (2011) - $449,326,618
Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) - $370,569,774
Marvel's The Avengers (2012) - $1,519,557,910


DCEU:

Man of Steel (2013) - $668,045,518
Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (2016) - $872,662,631
Suicide Squad (2016) - $640,117,209


But...

- Given the characters on each side, the MCU films made more (save for The Incredible Hulk's pathetic showing) than would have been expected for what were - until the MCU - a bunch of barely known C-listers; whereas the DCEU films made less than what would have been expected for the two biggest and most well known comic-book characters ever.

- This year's first MCU film - Captain America: Civil War - grossed $1,152,469,309, while last year's Avengers: Age of Ultron grossed $1,405,413,868, and 2014's "wacky unknown team of misfits film" - Guardians of the Galaxy - managed $773,312,399 without needing to misleadingly focus its marketing on a little-used but well-known character such as the Joker.

- TheAngryGerman was, IMO, clearly not actually talking about box office gross anyway when talking about a "strong start", so you're arguing the wrong point with TheAngryGerman by focussing on money.



Oh, and as a comparison to current DC:

Batman Begins (2005) - $374,218,673
The Dark Knight (2008) - $1,004,558,444
The Dark Knight Rises (2012) - $1,084,939,099

(Batman Begins suffered from coming after the previous two awful Batman films.)
(None of Nolan's Bat-films had a 3D release to inflate ticket revenue, unlike the MCU and DCEU films.)




(All figures from http://www.boxofficemojo.com/ )

What he said.

wrong thread.

Saw this last night. Wanted so much to like it. Love the premise, like the lead actors. Sadly it was another train-wreck. Poor script, poor plot, terrible verging on criminal editing. The pacing was all worng, the flash-backs disjointed and so many plot elements were completely irrelevent or rendered so by the obviously brutal editing process. Once or twice there were signs of what it could have been but they were far too few and far between. It may be a financial success but it just shows that WB haven't fixed what ever is wrong in the DC films dept. I suspect the only reason it's managed to do reasonable box-office business is because there's been sweet FA else of any merit to see over the summer.

I quite liked the film but did sigh as just as they were off to the final showdown it had to start raining. Does WB/DC have some contract with a service that provides rainstorms on Film because every film of theirs seems to be fought in the rain

[quote=whedon247;83798775]stronger start than marvels first 3 films thats a fact.

Not really a fact as you need to look into the background of DC Films. They had a few false starts and scrapped the DC Extended Universe a few times. Superman Returns originally was going to be the start but due to underperformance they scrapped future plans and films, Then it was supposed to start with The green Lantern followed by The Flash. Script and release date had been slotted as well as a 2nd Green Lantern film which both were cancelled.
Regardless of that MCU have gathered momentum and seem to listen to overall feed back, WB on the other hand appear to continue to make the same mistakes resulting in messy films with no story and characters that you couldn't care less about.
I'm a huge Batman and Superman fan but I wanted them both killed off after the mess of BvS and SS was the biggest mess I have seen. Characters unlikable The Villian sucked and overall CGI in the film was lousy.
Unless they have a huge reimagining especially director wise I can only see the franchise sinking and not building.

i stated it has a stronger start. you confirmed this

if another post wants to talk caveats based on personal opinion he can do that,but i dont need to join in. dceu have had a stronger start than marvel. fact.

and thats not to say i disagree with your points btw regarding c listers vs a listers. my only point was its been a strong financial start. a stat no one can deny

Yes they can and they have. Get over it already.

WB themselves disagrees with you, that's why they ran into the cutting room when BvS was so negatively reviewed to "save/butcher" SS.
They wouldn't have done that if they were happy with how things are going.

So stop going "lalalalalalala" with your fingers in your ears and face up to reality.

calm down dear

i see you have not provided any factual evidence to deny its not been a strong financial start. so you agree with me but just dont want to admit it

immature but i will let it slide. thank you

No it hasn't. A strong financial start would be a profit from each of the films. I'm not sure that over-all Warners will have seen a profit across all three films. Also it's not really appropriate to compare the performance of films released over 5 years ago which weren't IIRC even in 3D. I'm sure if you compared number of ticket sales rather than box office the 3 Marvel films would come out way ahead.

All of this is irrelvent, though. The simple, undeniable truth is that the vast majority of people who have seen all the films prefer the Marvel films to DC. I grew up with Reeves Superman and the 80's/90's Batman films. The Dark Knight trilogy is still the high watermark of superhero films IMO. But in a direct comparison of the current generation of films from the two, Marvel beats DC hands down and that's sad because the DC characters deserve much more.

if you are "not sure" please dont make judgements about profits. it shows desperation

and i have only ever mentioned box office. its been a strong financial start for first 3 films. the end.

and the rest is just opinion. some will like it some wont.

You would know all about desperation.



No it hasn't, you can keep telling yourself that all you want but it won't make it so.
If anything it was an okay financial start but way behind expectations.

Suicide Squad has currently made $675,717,209 in the box office and has officially passed Man of Steel in the DCEU which only made $668,045,518:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=dc2016.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/...perman2012.htm

I'm not sure about the final profits because Warners isn't going to tell anyone in a hurry. It's easy to point to box office results because they can so easily be manipulated to support an argument. $800m sounds like a lot, sure, but not if the final over-all cost of making the film is $900m. Even if the cost was $700m and the film made a profit it's not a strong performance if the expectation was for the property to bring in substantially over $1b. As I said, the three DC films' box office may look good compared to the first three Marvel films but there are abvious reasons for that, such as inflation, higher ticket prices for 3D and substantially larger publicity budgets. No one can describe their financial position as strong if their costs are on a par with or even higher than their income. Any company that publicises it's revenues or turnover and makes no mention of actual profit is not in good shape.

Perhaps you should explain how you conclude the DC films have had a strong financial start in more detail because if your only justification for that statement is the box office figures then 'desperate' is clearly the word.

As for me being desperate... yes, after the three DC films I am desperate... for Warners to produce a decent DC film. Sadly I suspect the real issue in the process is Warners themselves so I don't have high expectations for WW or JL.

I watched Suicide Squad for a second time earlier today and enjoyed it even more than I did when I watched it on the 5th of August.

into top 100 grossing films of all time now. but a bad financial start some say lol lol lol

also from DS story

"A quick glance at Rotten Tomatoes indicated the disparity between the fans and the professionals, with a critical rating of 26%, and a fan rating of 67%."

not even RT can be used as a reason to say it a flop now lol

bad day at office for some angry posters

I don't understand why people have arguments about this stuff.

Suicide Squad: Hated by the critics but lots of people wanted to watch it.

See also: Transformers, Fast and Furious, Twilight . . . etc etc

no arguments here, i just state facts and watch people go mad lol

SS was entertaining, i gave it 7/10 i think. not saying its amazing or anything. but facts dont lie, its done big numbers.