Because critics have been so wrong about MoS and BvS?


You can say that about every DCMU film really.

I always used to believe in the old adage that a film had to make at least double it's production costs before it moved in to profit. While I think that still holds true for a lot of smaller films, it's quite clear that nowadays you have to also factor in licensing, merchandising and distribution costs, amongst other things. before a big tentpole movie will get close to profit.

I suspect Suicide Squad will make a profit, but it'll be a tiny one.

Man, I ignored the reviews for BvS and wound up wanting to put a shotgun to my head during the film in the movie theatre. No way do I want to make that mistake again but I feel this would be a lot better than BvS and have a lot of faith in Ayer. I do think it is odd that this film is rated PG-13 with him as director, which I can only imagine is the studio trying to milk ticket sales but this film should have been the answer to the Deadpool R rating success for DC.

Its strange because in the UK the film is rated 15, which to my understanding is the equivalent to your R rating in the states. Deadpool was a 15 in the cinema

Yeah, I just noticed that myself on Odeon's website, well going to be booking tickets anyway to go see it on Sunday. Here's to hoping the 15 rated version is more in line with Ayer's vision than the studios...

Loans, percentage points of gross, add-on vanity production deals for big-name actors and dozens of other things that chip away at profit. Hollywood accounting has a lot to do with it as well as it's obviously in the studios' interest for every movie to make a loss on paper as it works well in regard to tax. Some movies that we would all think of as massive hits are book-failures.

Pretty much this - it's so annoying!!!

It's being reported that WB execs tampered with the film so much, and all of them had so many different "visions" of what the movie *should* be, that there are a bunch of different concepts of the movie that are sitting on some shelf somewhere, and this film tries to blend a bunch of them together, which is why it's being viewed as such a mess.

Also I must say, I can't help but laugh at David Ayer who took to the Suicide Squad premier and proudly proclaimed "F*** Marvel". If you're going to be a dick about the competition you best have a damn good product to put out there, and Ayer apparently simply doesn't. And it's a shame because the DC "fanboys" are treating these movies like the second coming, when they're simply not. DC fans deserve movies that treat the characters with a semblance of respect and - purely off BvS and MoS alone - the DCCU doesn't.

Anyway, I unfortunately was convinced well in advance by my brother (one of those aforementioned DC fanboys) to take him to a midnight screening of Suicide Squad, so in just over 12 hours I'll be back to share my own thoughts about this movie.

What I *will* say for the DCCU, is it's not actually depending on Justice League imo anymore. Loads of people who saw BvS aren't holding much hope for that one. Their "make or break" movie now is genuinely Wonder Woman. If they mess that movie up after the trailers got everyone hyped, especially with the whole aspect of being the first female led superhero film, you can guarantee that'll be the death knell of the DCCU.

I'll be interested to see what your thoughts are on the film. I'm going on Sunday and though I am not a DC "Fanboy" or (fangirl), I was looking forward to this as I loved the concept behind the suicide squad and it had Harley Quinn in it.

I'm concerned about wonder woman. Parts of the trailer had me wanting to see it, but other parts made me cringe. (I still keep seeing Disney's The Little Mermaid in the opening part of the trailer).

Haha funny you should say that, I keep thinking about The Little Mermaid whenever I see that opening part too, although the rest of the trailer does excite me.

As long as they can get Harley Quinn right in this then hopefully that alone should hold it up above Fantastic Four and BvS... maybe...

Just let Kevin Smith direct for DC movies, he knows his onions.

I agree. The Rest of the trailer does look good. Its just I expected her to burst out into "part of Your World" (Someone needs to do that mash up!)

And with regards to the suicide squad, reviews have said that Robbie is good in it, along with Smith Williams and the actor who plays El Diablo. BvS and fantastic Four are my measurement too

I'm really skeptical about Smith, he's actually probably the thing I'm most skeptical about. I mean he has a tendency to make movies he appears in all about him. So it doesn't really add up to me that he's been cast in an ensemble movie when he's known for wanting to be seen as the "main character". Guess it's just a few more hours to see how he pulls it off though.

did you guys read about them photoshopping Margot's pants? LOL

Same here

Haha sorry what?

I did! It appeared that between the international trailer and the comic con trailer, Margot's hotpants shrank.

Yeah, I feel the same. And for most of the Promo, he is front and centre in the posters and such.

The 2xBudget is just for Production Costs alone, figuring in the Theatres taking about 50% of the cut -though it's not quite that as often studios get something like 80% of the the 1st weekend and then less subsequent weekends

Once Production Costs are paid for then you have something called P&A which is short for Prints & Advertising, Pre Digital someone had to pay for all those copies of the film to be produced, ihat's less so these days but Advertising can often be another $100M when you consider it costs flying cast across the world to do press tours

So it's pretty safe to say that any blockbuster needs to make $100M ($200M because of cinema's cut) to look at being profitable from its theatrical run

Reviews are reviews. You just never know how you're gonna feel about a movie until you sit down and watch it properly though.

I'm gonna go see it on Saturday with an open mind. I'm not expecting a cinematic masterpiece but I think it'll be good fun though.

Fascinating and depressing in equal parts. Thanks for posting it.

It's beginning to look as though knowing one's onions doesn't amount to a whole lot in the modern comic book franchise movie making process. The director is just one voice struggling to get their vision realised amid a cacophony of studio execs and marketeers far more concerned with ticking enough boxes to recoup their outlay than making a really good film. I can't see Kevin Smith wanting to be a part of that at all....I could see him writing the first draft of a screenplay, but I bet that's as involved as he'd want to get.

It's hard to believe that Christopher Nolan was ever allowed to make his trilogy without all this interference and butchery of his product. Perhaps he wasn't, and the studio just got lucky.

How could you take those IMDB ratings seriously?

10 = 56.1%
9 = 8.1%
8 = 8.1%
[...]
1 = 8.4%

Come on. Especially when we consider the fact the film isn't due out until tomorrow in the US.

There is no excuse for this film to be bad after Batman: Assault on Arkham.

If anything that was a test run for Suicide Squad and they still managed to mess it up.

I think these two were running too close together for any major changes to occur to suicide squad to rescue it.

Wonder Woman? Possibly they could have a lessons learned.

Justice League? Most Definetly. There is no excuse for this film to be as bad as Batman v superman.