Another person who thinks having a bad thing happen in life gives them the right to treat people like crap. These people would still be pricks even if they'd had a fantastic life.

We don't know if that accusation is true. And should it be true, then Steph made the decision to stay with him and go into the house in a relationship and not as single female Only the other night she agreed with Gemma that she is in a relationship with Sam and she intends to marry Sam . .

We dont know if the Sam allegation is true or the Gaz one about Steph is true we probably never will

Stephanie is not a child and there are no "stupid adult years" only stupid adults.

Millions of men 16-20 years of age in the US, UK ,Europe, Australia fought bravely in WWI & WWII.

Quite.

I lost my Grandfather at 23, to Cancer and helped my Mother to care for him during the last months at our house, whilst also holding down a full time, responsible job. My other 3 Grandparents died prior to that, all but one of quite long illnesses, including one with severe Vascular Dementia over 4 years None were in Homes, all cared for within out Home.

I did not then, and still don't treat people like ++++, expect everybody to look after me or excuse me my actions, Cheat on people, lead people on, expect one rule for me and another for everybody else. If anything, having Grandparents be sick, then die and witness the stress and grief that put my Parents under led me to be MORE empathetic and self sufficient, behave myself because i didn't want to cause them any more trouble and basically grow up quicker. If I did do something wrong though, I was still told off for it, didn't have excuses made for me, whether I was 6 (when my first Grandad died) or 23 when the last one did.

I was also, always aware, that there were a lot of people that had things worse than me and frankly, that illness and death was an inevitable part of life.
Even now, I assume that anybody I meet has as many, if not more problems than me and try to treat them with appropriate kindness.

Of course everybody is different but it just sounds like a Mother that has spoilt her child making excuses for her. The kind of Parent that would always blame the Teacher or School for any bad behaviour or poor exam results, complaining to them whilst insisting their child is blameless or even being picked on.

If that's an issue, she shouldn't be in the house. One would think a 22-year-old would be mature enough to be responsible for themselves, and their actions.

And this is an issue for other people? Sorry but she is a stupid young girl, yes young. She's not very bright to begin with and clearly she's not mature.

She said that there were problems between her and Sam which leads me to believe that the cheating allegation is true.

This idea that she's so bad or an adult who should no better doesn't wash with me. I remember the stupid years quite well. She's dead smack in the middle of them. Unlike Jeremy who is at the end of the stupid years and knows better. He's not being led about. He's not a poor dear boy who needs protecting.

Why would one? Most 22 year old's are not mature or responsible and more than a bit reckless and still doing dumb stuff.

I don't doubt that she's gone through some difficult times in her life but perhaps she shouldn't have done BB until she was perhaps more mentally on an even keel? If I were her mother I think I would have advised her against it in the strongest way possible, I understand she wants to change her public image but doing this show has only made it worse and if she isn't 100 percent okay mentally it worries me how she is going to cope when she comes out and sees the storm against her.

I love this excuse 'she's very tactile' .

Well mum you'd better teach her she'll get into a lot of trouble if she kisses and cuddles any bloke who takes her fancy whilst at the same time professing her love for a boyfriend .

I was married with a baby at twenty two.

I am surprised she didn't trot out the awful, we are best friends bit.

She has had a bad time! What, was she born disabled, have childhood cancer, suffer abuse or neglect? That's what you call a bad time to excuse, foul mouthed, trashy behaviour, acting like the spoilt brat that she is. Mummy should have taught her to take responsibility for her actions, not make excuses for her little girl, who is 22 and old enough to try desperately to get a tattoo riddled thicko have sex with her on TV.

Unless her boyfriend is in on her attention seeking game plan, he must be feeling hurt and humiliated.

Unless her boyfriend is in on her attention seeking game plan, he must be feeling hurt and humiliated.[/quote]

I would imagine he feels like s""t wonder how much house he has left, broken windows /smashed furniture

As was posted last night by myself and another member ...its not a competition however

At 22 I was running a medical ward as a staff nurse and had a husband, small baby, mortgage and home. That same year my mum became ill and died

I have not behaved badly as a result

These kids need to grow up. I have an 18 and 21 year old now and would be ashamed if they behaved like this lot

I like her and what exactly has she done? She has always admitted to having a boyfriend, just Jeremy never backed off? Takes two.

Is she a beard for that Sam chap? Maybe that's why she wants some action from Jeremy? I know zero about any of them but looking at that Daily Mail photo he looks more feminine than she does

What has she done?

Whilst she has always been honest about having a boyfriend, she has also been telling Jeremy how much she likes him, thinks of him, never met anybody like him and very much giving the impression that they might have a future.

So, either she is betraying her boyfriend which isn't fair to him or she is leading Jeremy on with no intention of a relationship outside of the House, either because she is so needy she's got to constantly have a man or as a game plan for air time. Which isn't fair on him. Either way, she's not being fsair to one of them.

Then we have the way she blames everybody else for her behaviour. If her relationship breaks up, it is not because she has been kissing and cuddling another man, but because Daniella or Gemma (who i can' stand either by the way) or even big Brother are commenting on it.

She thinks she is better than other people because they come from a reality tv background.

Then we have all the stuff about her being messy and expecting everybody else to clear up after her.

It's fine to like her, at times i find her quite funny and sometimes feel a little sorry for her but i do,'t see how anybody can say that she hasn't done anything wrong. Unless she and Sam have an open relationship so her flirting, kissing and cuddling with another man isn't an issue for him and the Other man accepts the situation. But that isn't what is coming across.

I can't be bothered with this kind of logic where life events are blamed for people going wrong . It makes me so cross .
Pick out someone being kind, being a winner , being successful in life without crapping on others and you can bet your ass there'll be barely a mention of painful past experiences even though they will have had some/plenty . They'll be labeled "lucky" .
I could choose any name on this forum and they'd have genuinely heartbreaking stories in their past . It's called life and you deal with it .
Steph's mum will defend her, fair enough , but the sob stories are just so X factor .

Cut her mum some slack, she is just trying to defend her child.

In case you didn't realise the nurses hand over parents a set of 'rose tinted glasses' when they send them home from hospital with their newborn. I know that because I have mine 😊. Her mum has 22 years of good memories of Steph that 3 weeks of edited CBB highlights are not going to erode.

If I was Stephs mum I might privately have a bloody good talk with afterwards due to some of her antics but I would absolutely support her publicly.

Her mum reinforces this 22 yrs old crap that Steph comes out with,she needs to stop that as its no excuse for her daughters behaviour, I know maturer 15yr olds!

Well said.

Nobody gets through life unscathed, nobody.

Of course that doesn't mean people don't deserve sympathy, compassion or understanding when they suffer bereavement, abuse, sickness but only in very rare cases is it an acceptable excuse for becoming a horrible person.

Not saying Steph is horriblle, just rather selfish, spoilt and immature but the point still stands.

You get stupid and immature 22 year Olds, you get stupid and irresponsible 62 year Olds. Just look at ASBO Granny's or Nightmare Mothers In Laws. There is no age cut off for when it is still okay to be a brat as we'll all have our own experiences, going by what we (and our friends, or children) were (are) like at 22.

But, basically, we have 18 as the legal age of adulthood in this Country and it is as good a line in the sand as any. If you are old enough to voten driven marry, live away from home, be in responsible, full time employment (Junior Doctors start working in Hospitals at 22/23 ffs), have children, then you should be old enough to know right from wrong, and how to behave and not be allowed to use age as an excuse. Or have others use it for you.