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Why the heck has the Moffat series aired on such a random basis? A series one
year, a half series the next... At least with RTD and the pre-1986 classic Series, you could be sure each DW series would arrive on a fairly regular schedule. This time it's due to Sherlock filming delaying DW, wanting to move it away from a time where ratings have been shaky to a time with less competition and (apparently) because they couldn't get a new show runner in place for s10. |
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Hm... I did have my heart set on Whithouse, but Chibnall is capable of writing really good stuff. Life on Mars, Broadchurch, and, er, bits of Torchwood were all pretty good so I'll go in with an open mind.
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Can't say I'm remotely impressed with this news. It's nothing personal of course, but Chris Chibnall has just not impressed me with Doctor Who. Of the five episodes he's written I've enjoyed one - his first way back in Series 3. But it was hardly a highlight of the series and was followed by a long slur of episodes that were all better. His subsequent efforts for Series 5 and Series 7 rank as some of my absolute least favourite stories in the past ten years. His characters bore me (the same is true of other shows he's run/written for), his storylines don't intrigue me. His Torchwood contributions are a mixed bag, and even his stronger ones left me feeling like he didn't quite have a grasp of the characters. Combined with a slightly longer wait for Series 10 than I'd have hoped (I guess I was holding out for a January 2017 start) which isn't so much an issue but nonetheless unwelcome news all the same, and resulting in the biggest gap of no Doctor Who in the last decade (just as soon as they'd got into a regular routine again) and I can't hide my disappointment.
Equally I guess there's a need to try and not be too presumptious. I've said myself plenty of times that showrunner ability and episode-writing ability don't necessarily go hand-in-hand, it's just when one has already been proven to not be to my personal liking I find it hard to get enthused. All the same, I'm still loving Capaldi in the role (and really hope he stays past Series 10...or that'll be a huge loss as well) and as much as I loved Series 9, I think it is the right time for Moffat to go now. |
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Apart from the confirmation of who is taking over, this is pretty much what the rumours have been saying for the last few months. No 2016 series, well over a year between series. Is this the longest gap since the show returned in 2005? I think the news about Moffat has masked that long gap in episodes.
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Yeah could be either scenario (or even no Christmas Special at all) from what was said in the Article.
With Series 10 running in the Spring I think it being filmed as part of Series 11 to be the most likely. So probably Chibnall's first episode and probably with a new Doctor (unless of course Capaldi stays). At least in the Moffat era it never moved to weekdays (with the day in question changing each season). I think its best if Capaldi does leave with Moffat. Much as I could watch him endlessly I think it is appropriate that the new show runner gets a chance to really put their stamp on it and start again in many ways. And I think Moffat writing the exit for Capaldi would be very fitting not to mention brilliantly exciting. |
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I'm just surprised it's running until 2018, I don't know anyone still watching it.
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Can't say I'm remotely impressed with this news. It's nothing personal of course, but Chris Chibnall has just not impressed me with Doctor Who. Of the five episodes he's written I've enjoyed one - his first way back in Series 3. But it was hardly a highlight of the series and was followed by a long slur of episodes that were all better. His subsequent efforts for Series 5 and Series 7 rank as some of my absolute least favourite stories in the past ten years. His characters bore me (the same is true of other shows he's run/written for), his storylines don't intrigue me. His Torchwood contributions are a mixed bag, and even his stronger ones left me feeling like he didn't quite have a grasp of the characters. Combined with a slightly longer wait for Series 10 than I'd have hoped (I guess I was holding out for a January 2017 start) which isn't so much an issue but nonetheless unwelcome news all the same, and resulting in the biggest gap of no Doctor Who in the last decade (just as soon as they'd got into a regular routine again) and I can't hide my disappointment.
Equally I guess there's a need to try and not be too presumptious. I've said myself plenty of times that showrunner ability and episode-writing ability don't necessarily go hand-in-hand, it's just when one has already been proven to not be to my personal liking I find it hard to get enthused. All the same, I'm still loving Capaldi in the role (and really hope he stays past Series 10...or that'll be a huge loss as well) and as much as I loved Series 9, I think it is the right time for Moffat to go now. |
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Yes absolutely. Classic PR strategy - hide the bad news by releasing it on the same day as a bigger story. Clearly they are hoping no one will notice yet another Moffat-Gap. This is the worse one since Moffat took over too. Not even some held-over season 9 episodes to plaster over the cracks this time.
I still think this year's Christmas special should aim to be something truly special - I can still dream of a two-parter directed by Peter Jackson and split across Christmas Eve and Christmas Day! |
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I only remember Cyberwoman and Countrycide. The first was dire. The latter was very good indeed.
For me, it was as if a partially converted "Cyber" was always going to feature and having it as a metal bikini-clad woman certainly reached the tone the programme was aiming for. Even the very best writers would struggle from that starting point. And to be fair, there was some significant underlying character development (Ianto). |
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Ah, you've regenerated again have you?
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thrilled about the spring
huge mistake leaving it in the Autumn slot. No idea who this new guy is never watched Broadchurch Also pleased Moffat is moving on, Some of his stories were just bordering on bizarre and its not helped PC transition as the doctor. I know Critics and various websites have rated the lasted episodes some of the best, But they need to appeal to a more General audience also. Give the nature of this announcement I suspect the "suits" at the BBC have been on the move. I wonder how Gattiss feels? |
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In fairness Moffat said himself that he'd been asking for "more" than the standard 12+Xmas routine. I'm guessing he's not got it, but credit where it's due he's definitely been conscious of the desire for more than we're actually getting and actually seemed up for the idea.
I still think this year's Christmas special should aim to be something truly special - I can still dream of a two-parter directed by Peter Jackson and split across Christmas Eve and Christmas Day! |
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I think this is the key thing. We really will have to all wait and see. Which I guess is quite right. Those who have disliked Moffat will be celebrating merrily and crowing away regardless but lets be honest its more because he's going than excitement about the new era. Most anti-Moffat people would prefer ANYONE but Moffat...and the more extreme end even wishing the show would be cancelled if it meant no more Moffat episodes (this was the extreme dark sub-section of Ming Mongs of course). But I would love to hear anyone getting excited about the prospect of Chibnall and if they are I would be fascinated to know how and why considering his awful track record on DW.
). I think they get so carried away with what's to go that they don't quite figure out whether what they've got is potentially any better. They're really not a fan of Moffat. I've been split down the middle over the years. Series 5 left me cold, but I appreciated the good writing he put into it. I became more disillusioned for Series 6 and Series 7, hit a low with the 50th anniversary but he turned things around for me with Series 8, and even more so with the brilliant Series 9. All the same, in the same way that some films just don't need any more sequels I was quite satisfied with Series 9 being Moffat's swansong and didn't feel strongly about him staying. I guess I just feel a bit taken aback that I'm not fussed about the current showrunner leaving, nor am I enthused about the one coming in. It's worrying that the best I can hope for is a 'pleasant surprise' regarding Chibnall when usually I'm as enthusiastic as can be about the show, and am usually more easily pleased by its output. |
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I think Chibnall is a good get.
Been around the show long enough, written some good stories for Doctor Who and Torchwood. Overall i am happy. |
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Production issues and clashes with other schedules.
This time it's due to Sherlock filming delaying DW, wanting to move it away from a time where ratings have been shaky to a time with less competition and (apparently) because they couldn't get a new show runner in place for s10. |
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Those that dont like Moffat arent going to start being fair now. Theyve spent 6 years complaining about him so you can be damned sure they will follow it through to the bitter end and will probably get even more vocal for his last season. In some peoples eyes the guy can do no right.
They hold him responsible for everything to a shocking degree. I was happy to hear - for their sake too - that they actually enjoyed Series 9 a lot more and struggled to find fault, even if they still want him gone with a fiery passion.
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Agreed entirely. My friends actually messaged me with "Moffat's gone!" because it means that much to them (and yet I'm the fan on a DW forum
). I think they get so carried away with what's to go that they don't quite figure out whether what they've got is potentially any better. They're really not a fan of Moffat. I've been split down the middle over the years. Series 5 left me cold, but I appreciated the good writing he put into it. I became more disillusioned for Series 6 and Series 7, hit a low with the 50th anniversary but he turned things around for me with Series 8, and even more so with the brilliant Series 9. All the same, in the same way that some films just don't need any more sequels I was quite satisfied with Series 9 being Moffat's swansong and didn't feel strongly about him staying. I guess I just feel a bit taken aback that I'm not fussed about the current showrunner leaving, nor am I enthused about the one coming in. It's worrying that the best I can hope for is a 'pleasant surprise' regarding Chibnall when usually I'm as enthusiastic as can be about the show, and am usually more easily pleased by its output. |
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Chibnall is the person I wanted least
I've not enjoyed a single one of his episodes. Still, I live in hope I'll be surprised. |
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Some people don't like Moffat's take on Who and are therefore pleased to see him go, just as some people didn't like RTD's take and were equally pleased to see him go.
Don't know why this causes such angst in certain posters. |
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I expect the new companion will bridge the show runner transition, while Capaldi will likely leave at the end of Series 10, regenerating into
...The Thirteenth Doctor. Chibnall's screwed. ![]()
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Yes absolutely. Classic PR strategy - hide the bad news by releasing it on the same day as a bigger story. Clearly they are hoping no one will notice yet another Moffat-Gap. This is the worse one since Moffat took over too. Not even some held-over season 9 episodes to plaster over the cracks this time.
Moffat's on record as saying that he expected the Christmas special just broadcast to be his last, and he'd already signed up for Sherlock. Chibnall's name has been doing the rounds for ages now so I guess that was the main person that the BBC wanted for the job (not sure why myself but there we are) and I guess they had to wait for him to be finished with Broadchurch (or save up enough shiny coins to lure him away). 2018 seems to be the earliest that they had could get him. So without Moffat agreeing to do one more series there would actually be no Doctor Who until 2018! (At least that's my take on it anyway). |
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Yeah I know what you mean. I love Moffats work but I wouldnt say he should stay. I dont think he should. I am happy he's got S10 but again I dont think I would be that upset if he was going after the Xmas special. As for Chibnall it inspires neither anger or excitement. I'm not sure thats a good thing really. I wonder sometimes if my obsessive years with Doctor Who are drawing to an end. I have loved it so much and its been such a big thing in my life for so long but I don't get the excitement I once did. I will of course always watch but I think when Moffat (and Capaldi) leave a bit of my love for the show will leave with them. Especially if Chibnall does represent a move backwards. Who knows. Maybe I'm just suffering post-season blues! I am just so unbothered about the whole thing.
It's a hell of a job trying to remain optimistic when there's a chance your joint-favourite Doctor may be going out sooner rather than later too, and there's also a post-series blues period that isn't going to be relieved by a new series on the horizon any time soon. I guess I'll just have to fight the cynicism! |
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Well, I'm prepared to wait and see what Chibnall actually does when he takes over stewardship next year. Once I've seen what he does with the show, only then will I decide whether I like it or not.
I know that's a rather strange viewpoint round here, but I'm an old fashioned sort of chap. |
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). I think they get so carried away with what's to go that they don't quite figure out whether what they've got is potentially any better. They're really not a fan of Moffat.
They hold him responsible for everything to a shocking degree. I was happy to hear - for their sake too - that they actually enjoyed Series 9 a lot more and struggled to find fault, even if they still want him gone with a fiery passion.
