Get on Trevor, John listens to her excuses, he doesn't join in any 'bitching' with her, she 'pronounces' about herself, and he questions her a bit but mostly just listens. At no point do I think he agrees with everything, he's just 'hearing her'.

Tiff said to Steph that John was 'instigator', why on earth did she do that? And we've seen her hang around and actively give Gemma all sorts of support, He's never said anything like that about Tiff as far as I can see.

As for forum favourite, I don't think so, but he's MINE definitely.

Chill. We'll see. I'm hopeful about Tiff.

And if he is a forum favourite - what is there to hmmmm about?

He's a nice guy - when they all (or most of them) freaked out at Tiffs odd behaviour after Bowiegate he acted as spokesperson and took the lead. It certainly wasn't all Johns doing - he has been perfectly nice to her since then - he didn't nominate her this week. He hugged Gemma after one emotional conversation (it looked awkward) - Tiff has been at Gemma's side all week and calling her 'my girl' it's been hugs and one to ones between them for a while now. I don't know (haven't worked it out yet) if Tiff is playing along with Gemma or if she really sees her as a buddy. I think she does - I find it a bit odd TBH.

Good post Penny.

I never said John joined in with Gemma. I merely pointed out that he listened to her for a long time, hugged her and to all intents and purposes was on her side. There seems to be a ready suggestion that Tiff is influenced by Gemma but what is the difference? Personally I don't think either are influenced by Gemma.

I thought the idea was that Steph said to Tiff that John or one of some others did something and that is why Tiff confronted John. For the record I have seen Gemma hang round with Tiff not the other way round. I do find it amusing that people that don't think much of Gemma give her so much importance. In my view she needs Tiff and she needs John. She hangs round them both which you would agree if you saw Thursday's live feed when John was very much in her eye line.

I see him as the forum favourite because of all the excuses I'm seeing for him and no recognition or acknowledgement of his faults. I've always hated that term but I've seen it levied at Tiff a bit recently and just find it ironic that it is in fact John. I like them both as I keep saying but I have more reservations about John than Tiff but yes we will see

She grandstands to John about her behaviour to convince the PUBLIC, on live feed. She doesn't talk to him, she talks AT him.


Steph mentioned John along with OTHERS, but Tiff chose John to confront, and it wasn't all about the incident either. In fact it was a sort of side issue.

Tiff is lonely, Gemma has Daniella and Chris and Darren and had Megan. But I do think Gemma wanted to neutralise Tiff.

There has been PLENTY of acknowledgment of John's faults.

As Tiff often tops the polls I don't see how John is the forum favourite, although he's in the top three at the moment.

I have more reservations about Tiff for good reasons, you have your opinion, I have mine.

I like them both too.


Pax.

Tiff tends to over dramatize things too much..........

The other night when Gemma was talking to John, it was obvious that John wasn't buying into that BS about Gemma/GC.

John be the first person to say he's arrogant and also been known to manipulate, that's what I love about him, he's multi layered.
John maybe arrogant, but he doesn't look down at people as if they're something he's picked up on his shoes, unlike someone else in the house.