IMO...zzzzzzzzzzzz. Disapointing and safe, boring choice.
His DW eps are mediocre, and the 2nd series of Broadchurch was terrible
Thoughts?
His DW eps are mediocre, and the 2nd series of Broadchurch was terrible
Thoughts?
Chris Chibnall is the best they could come up with?
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Honestly?
He probably is the best that they could come up with. I can't see too many other viable candidates who have enough experience writing for Who and showrunning a show and that are available and, most crucially, that will take the job. It may well be that Chibnall wasn't the best option so much as the only option.
I think you're right, he's a very safe and probably slightly underwhelming choice, but if he's a safe pair of hands and plausibly the best that we could hope for then no complaints from me.
He probably is the best that they could come up with. I can't see too many other viable candidates who have enough experience writing for Who and showrunning a show and that are available and, most crucially, that will take the job. It may well be that Chibnall wasn't the best option so much as the only option.
I think you're right, he's a very safe and probably slightly underwhelming choice, but if he's a safe pair of hands and plausibly the best that we could hope for then no complaints from me.
Originally Posted by Whovian1109:
“Honestly?
He probably is the best that they could come up with. I can't see too many other viable candidates who have enough experience writing for Who and showrunning a show and that are available and, most crucially, that will take the job. It may well be that Chibnall wasn't the best option so much as the only option.
I think you're right, he's a very safe and probably slightly underwhelming choice, but if he's a safe pair of hands and plausibly the best that we could hope for then no complaints from me.”
“Honestly?
He probably is the best that they could come up with. I can't see too many other viable candidates who have enough experience writing for Who and showrunning a show and that are available and, most crucially, that will take the job. It may well be that Chibnall wasn't the best option so much as the only option.
I think you're right, he's a very safe and probably slightly underwhelming choice, but if he's a safe pair of hands and plausibly the best that we could hope for then no complaints from me.”
This is probably the issue. There was no other option.
Originally Posted by Whovian1109:
“Honestly?
He probably is the best that they could come up with. I can't see too many other viable candidates who have enough experience writing for Who and showrunning a show and that are available and, most crucially, that will take the job. It may well be that Chibnall wasn't the best option so much as the only option.
I think you're right, he's a very safe and probably slightly underwhelming choice, but if he's a safe pair of hands and plausibly the best that we could hope for then no complaints from me.”
“Honestly?
He probably is the best that they could come up with. I can't see too many other viable candidates who have enough experience writing for Who and showrunning a show and that are available and, most crucially, that will take the job. It may well be that Chibnall wasn't the best option so much as the only option.
I think you're right, he's a very safe and probably slightly underwhelming choice, but if he's a safe pair of hands and plausibly the best that we could hope for then no complaints from me.”
Agree,
My guess this job was probably a hard sell and had very few takers
As much as many are likely right in that he was the only option, I think that is a commentary in and of itself about how the BBC, and in fact UK media generally fails to explore new avenues of talent very often. There's surely loads of competent showrunners-in-the-making out there. Some fans come up with truly remarkable ideas that sound fantastic and hypothetically viable too (as in they're not over-indulgent, and theoretically don't sound more suited to a big-budget project beyond Who's scope) and I find it hard to believe that there's not more talent out there that couldn't be exploited.
The showrunners circle in the UK feels like a very small club. I think the BBC learned that the hard way when they worked Moffat to some level of exhaustion through running both Doctor Who and Sherlock simultaneously - which is a huge contributing factor as to why Doctor Who isn't on at all this year. It's the BBC that lose out in that regard, really.
The showrunners circle in the UK feels like a very small club. I think the BBC learned that the hard way when they worked Moffat to some level of exhaustion through running both Doctor Who and Sherlock simultaneously - which is a huge contributing factor as to why Doctor Who isn't on at all this year. It's the BBC that lose out in that regard, really.
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“Agree,
My guess this job was probably a hard sell and had very few takers”
“Agree,
My guess this job was probably a hard sell and had very few takers”
It would make sense. Knowing how much money its been raking in for the Beeb
There's no way the last series performance hasn't been an issue. No matter how good the site reviews have been for episodes there's been a drift from the show.
Had a feeling RTD was going to come back, But guessing had that happened it would be almost admitting the show is in "crisis" like the Daily Mirror like telling everyone on a daily basis.
It would be nice though if he started writing some episodes again, If this new guy can get the mix of sci-fi and human interaction right that would be brilliant. I know a lot don't agree but that's what I felt Moffat was getting wrong lately.
Thinking Danny Pinks character was even complete to have such a major role, There was nothing there to form a connection with
Originally Posted by Whovian1109:
“Honestly?
He probably is the best that they could come up with. I can't see too many other viable candidates who have enough experience writing for Who and showrunning a show and that are available and, most crucially, that will take the job. It may well be that Chibnall wasn't the best option so much as the only option.
I think you're right, he's a very safe and probably slightly underwhelming choice, but if he's a safe pair of hands and plausibly the best that we could hope for then no complaints from me.”
“Honestly?
He probably is the best that they could come up with. I can't see too many other viable candidates who have enough experience writing for Who and showrunning a show and that are available and, most crucially, that will take the job. It may well be that Chibnall wasn't the best option so much as the only option.
I think you're right, he's a very safe and probably slightly underwhelming choice, but if he's a safe pair of hands and plausibly the best that we could hope for then no complaints from me.”
There's plenty of talent out there in British television though.
And back in the 90s Doctor Who Magazine was full of articles saying any new version of the show shouldhave plenty of non-fans involved. Yet the last three DW showrunners (Segal, Davies and Moffat) have all been self-confessed fans,as is Chibbers-isn't it time to get a non-fan in?
One wonders how Barry Letts and Philip Hinchcliffe managed to get in charge of the show without having their shelves groaning under the weight of "Doctor Who" merchandise!
Originally Posted by oathy:
“It would make sense. Knowing how much money its been raking in for the Beeb
There's no way the last series performance hasn't been an issue. No matter how good the site reviews have been for episodes there's been a drift from the show.
Had a feeling RTD was going to come back, But guessing had that happened it would be almost admitting the show is in "crisis" like the Daily Mirror like telling everyone on a daily basis.
It would be nice though if he started writing some episodes again, If this new guy can get the mix of sci-fi and human interaction right that would be brilliant. I know a lot don't agree but that's what I felt Moffat was getting wrong lately.
Thinking Danny Pinks character was even complete to have such a major role, There was nothing there to form a connection with”
“It would make sense. Knowing how much money its been raking in for the Beeb
There's no way the last series performance hasn't been an issue. No matter how good the site reviews have been for episodes there's been a drift from the show.
Had a feeling RTD was going to come back, But guessing had that happened it would be almost admitting the show is in "crisis" like the Daily Mirror like telling everyone on a daily basis.
It would be nice though if he started writing some episodes again, If this new guy can get the mix of sci-fi and human interaction right that would be brilliant. I know a lot don't agree but that's what I felt Moffat was getting wrong lately.
Thinking Danny Pinks character was even complete to have such a major role, There was nothing there to form a connection with”
It would be great if RTD was one of the writers on the Series 10 writing team though - just for a one-off episode, without Moffat having any pressure to keep delivering as his job will have been done by then!
I'd just like to see an RTD contribution whilst he's not under the pressure he was. I can but dream I guess
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“As much as many are likely right in that he was the only option, I think that is a commentary in and of itself about how the BBC, and in fact UK media generally fails to explore new avenues of talent very often. There's surely loads of competent showrunners-in-the-making out there. Some fans come up with truly remarkable ideas that sound fantastic and hypothetically viable too (as in they're not over-indulgent, and theoretically don't sound more suited to a big-budget project beyond Who's scope) and I find it hard to believe that there's not more talent out there that couldn't be exploited.
.”
“As much as many are likely right in that he was the only option, I think that is a commentary in and of itself about how the BBC, and in fact UK media generally fails to explore new avenues of talent very often. There's surely loads of competent showrunners-in-the-making out there. Some fans come up with truly remarkable ideas that sound fantastic and hypothetically viable too (as in they're not over-indulgent, and theoretically don't sound more suited to a big-budget project beyond Who's scope) and I find it hard to believe that there's not more talent out there that couldn't be exploited.
.”
Absolutely, I guess I was expecting somebody a little more controversial than CC, he is an acceptable choice, but they hardly took any exciting chances here.
Predictable response.
There's no good contenders. Moffat was an obvious choice when he got the job. This time around there is no possible candidate who could get an overwhelmingly positive reception.
The best I can say about it is that I prefer Chibnall to Gattis or Whithouse.
Maybe we'll finally find out who the Hell the Tally are
But really what were people expecting? What superstar name? This is where all of the people who have bitched and complained about Moffat get to see their dream realized and realize just how lousy a dream it was.
Anyone who gets the job will say they're a fan won't they? I'm not doubting the words of any of those people you mention but no-one is going to take the job and say 'i'm not that into Doctor Who actually. this is just a job for me'.
There's no good contenders. Moffat was an obvious choice when he got the job. This time around there is no possible candidate who could get an overwhelmingly positive reception.
The best I can say about it is that I prefer Chibnall to Gattis or Whithouse.
Maybe we'll finally find out who the Hell the Tally are
But really what were people expecting? What superstar name? This is where all of the people who have bitched and complained about Moffat get to see their dream realized and realize just how lousy a dream it was.
Originally Posted by Residents Fan:
“There's plenty of talent out there in British television though.
And back in the 90s Doctor Who Magazine was full of articles saying any new version of the show shouldhave plenty of non-fans involved. Yet the last three DW showrunners (Segal, Davies and Moffat) have all been self-confessed fans,as is Chibbers-isn't it time to get a non-fan in?
One wonders how Barry Letts and Philip Hinchcliffe managed to get in charge of the show without having their shelves groaning under the weight of "Doctor Who" merchandise!”
“There's plenty of talent out there in British television though.
And back in the 90s Doctor Who Magazine was full of articles saying any new version of the show shouldhave plenty of non-fans involved. Yet the last three DW showrunners (Segal, Davies and Moffat) have all been self-confessed fans,as is Chibbers-isn't it time to get a non-fan in?
One wonders how Barry Letts and Philip Hinchcliffe managed to get in charge of the show without having their shelves groaning under the weight of "Doctor Who" merchandise!”
Anyone who gets the job will say they're a fan won't they? I'm not doubting the words of any of those people you mention but no-one is going to take the job and say 'i'm not that into Doctor Who actually. this is just a job for me'.
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“ This is where all of the people who have bitched and complained about Moffat get to see their dream realized and realize just how lousy a dream it was.”
“ This is where all of the people who have bitched and complained about Moffat get to see their dream realized and realize just how lousy a dream it was.”
I actually really like Moffat. lol
But, true, CC is hardly people's dream DW showrunner.
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“Predictable response.
There's no good contenders. Moffat was an obvious choice when he got the job. This time around there is no possible candidate who could get an overwhelmingly positive reception.
The best I can say about it is that I prefer Chibnall to Gattis or Whithouse.
Maybe we'll finally find out who the Hell the Tally are
But really what were people expecting? What superstar name? This is where all of the people who have bitched and complained about Moffat get to see their dream realized and realize just how lousy a dream it was.”
“Predictable response.
There's no good contenders. Moffat was an obvious choice when he got the job. This time around there is no possible candidate who could get an overwhelmingly positive reception.
The best I can say about it is that I prefer Chibnall to Gattis or Whithouse.
Maybe we'll finally find out who the Hell the Tally are
But really what were people expecting? What superstar name? This is where all of the people who have bitched and complained about Moffat get to see their dream realized and realize just how lousy a dream it was.”
It's rather lucky really, as they very nearly didn't give it a chance to go on after RTD left, so the fact they're giving it a chance now even with less promising contenders is something we should all be grateful for.
Toby Whithouse is/was the obvious choice, but he either mustn't want to do it (it's no secret that both RTD and Moffat had it tough at times.....) or the BBC have had Chibnall lined up for ages. I still hope they get Damien Molony for the Doctor, one time or another...
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“Anyone who gets the job will say they're a fan won't they? I'm not doubting the words of any of those people you mention but no-one is going to take the job and say 'i'm not that into Doctor Who actually'.”
“Anyone who gets the job will say they're a fan won't they? I'm not doubting the words of any of those people you mention but no-one is going to take the job and say 'i'm not that into Doctor Who actually'.”
True-but there is a difference between liking "Doctor Who" and being a "fan of Doctor
Who".
I have seen "The Caves of Androzani" over 20 times. I know a woman online who has bought every single Target novelization of DW, and another man who has several shelves of DW merchandise. This is different from the person who watches and enjoys DW, but isn't a "fan".
Before John Nathan-Turner took over, Doctor Who fandom played little part in the show's creation-we were seen as just one small group among the millions of DW
viewers. Although JNT wasn't a fan, he began listening to fandom and incorporating
their suggestions into the show-hence high-continuity eps like "Earthshock" and "The
Five Doctors". Since JNT's time, fans have being running the show, and I think the show might benefit from having a production team made entirely of people who like the show but aren't "fans".
Originally Posted by Tom Tit:
“Predictable response.
There's no good contenders. Moffat was an obvious choice when he got the job. This time around there is no possible candidate who could get an overwhelmingly positive reception.
The best I can say about it is that I prefer Chibnall to Gattis or Whithouse.
Maybe we'll finally find out who the Hell the Tally are
But really what were people expecting? What superstar name? This is where all of the people who have bitched and complained about Moffat get to see their dream realized and realize just how lousy a dream it was.
Anyone who gets the job will say they're a fan won't they? I'm not doubting the words of any of those people you mention but no-one is going to take the job and say 'i'm not that into Doctor Who actually. this is just a job for me'.”
“Predictable response.
There's no good contenders. Moffat was an obvious choice when he got the job. This time around there is no possible candidate who could get an overwhelmingly positive reception.
The best I can say about it is that I prefer Chibnall to Gattis or Whithouse.
Maybe we'll finally find out who the Hell the Tally are
But really what were people expecting? What superstar name? This is where all of the people who have bitched and complained about Moffat get to see their dream realized and realize just how lousy a dream it was.
Anyone who gets the job will say they're a fan won't they? I'm not doubting the words of any of those people you mention but no-one is going to take the job and say 'i'm not that into Doctor Who actually. this is just a job for me'.”
On the contrary, it was a fantastic dream. Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.
Originally Posted by Boz_Lowdownl:
“On the contrary, it was a fantastic dream. Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.”
“On the contrary, it was a fantastic dream. Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.”
Thats your opnion. I think he's written some fantastic eps and casted two amazing doctors.
I just can't forgive Chris Chibnall for those terrible Silurian episodes in the first Matt Smith series of Who. yuck!
Originally Posted by Boz_Lowdownl:
“On the contrary, it was a fantastic dream. Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.”
“On the contrary, it was a fantastic dream. Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.”
Destroy is a tad too far, but it has definitely been on a downwards spiral for a while and this change is desperately needed.
Originally Posted by Boz_Lowdownl:
“ Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.”
“ Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.”
Anyone?
The Producers of "Brickleberry"?
Tim Kring?
The Producers of "Don't Scare the Hare"?
Paris Hilton?
Uwe Boll?
Charles Manson?
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi?
Originally Posted by Residents Fan:
“True-but there is a difference between liking "Doctor Who" and being a "fan of Doctor
Who".
I have seen "The Caves of Androzani" over 20 times. I know a woman online who has bought every single Target novelization of DW, and another man who has several shelves of DW merchandise. This is different from the person who watches and enjoys DW, but isn't a "fan".
Before John Nathan-Turner took over, Doctor Who fandom played little part in the show's creation-we were seen as just one small group among the millions of DW
viewers. Although JNT wasn't a fan, he began listening to fandom and incorporating
their suggestions into the show-hence high-continuity eps like "Earthshock" and "The
Five Doctors". Since JNT's time, fans have being running the show, and I think the show might benefit from having a production team made entirely of people who like the show but aren't "fans".”
“True-but there is a difference between liking "Doctor Who" and being a "fan of Doctor
Who".
I have seen "The Caves of Androzani" over 20 times. I know a woman online who has bought every single Target novelization of DW, and another man who has several shelves of DW merchandise. This is different from the person who watches and enjoys DW, but isn't a "fan".
Before John Nathan-Turner took over, Doctor Who fandom played little part in the show's creation-we were seen as just one small group among the millions of DW
viewers. Although JNT wasn't a fan, he began listening to fandom and incorporating
their suggestions into the show-hence high-continuity eps like "Earthshock" and "The
Five Doctors". Since JNT's time, fans have being running the show, and I think the show might benefit from having a production team made entirely of people who like the show but aren't "fans".”
I don't disagree in principle. But we need to acknowledge there is a difference between the old 'producer' role in Classic Who and the 'showrunner' role now in that the showrunner is not just a producer and writer but also the figurehead for the show. Moffat is the guy who answers all of those fannish questions that baffle the cast at panels and conventions, the one who gives historical context to the show in promotional material, that asuages the fears or concerns of the fans. The man they can recognize as 'one of them'. I think RTD and Moffat have stablished that sort of role for the showrunner now and it is somewhat expected. So the showrunner does need to seriously know his stuff and be able to talk about the show with affection and passion and knowledge. Sure, he can bone up and Chinall has plenty of time to do that but it helps to have that as something that is already there.
Fans couldn't get one over on Moffat or RTD. They couldn't expose them because their knowledge was equal to theirs. They couldn't discredit either showrunner as phillistines. That's not an essential trait for the showrunner but it's a very desirable one.
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“Destroy is a tad too far, but it has definitely been on a downwards spiral for a while and this change is desperately needed.”
“Destroy is a tad too far, but it has definitely been on a downwards spiral for a while and this change is desperately needed.”
Based on his past DW eps, I dont know about that
Originally Posted by Boz_Lowdownl:
“On the contrary, it was a fantastic dream. Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.”
“On the contrary, it was a fantastic dream. Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.”
Sure. We'll check back on your opinion in a few year's time shall we?
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“Thats your opnion. I think he's written some fantastic eps and casted two amazing doctors.
I just can't forgive Chris Chibnall for those terrible Silurian episodes in the first Matt Smith series of Who. yuck!”
“Thats your opnion. I think he's written some fantastic eps and casted two amazing doctors.
I just can't forgive Chris Chibnall for those terrible Silurian episodes in the first Matt Smith series of Who. yuck!”
Yes, that indeed is my opinion. And I have as much right to it as all the Moffat fanboys have to theirs. I agree with you about the terrible Silurian episodes (plus the abysmal Power of Three) but Moffat himself has written worse. I really liked Dinosaurs on a Spaceship though.
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“Based on his past DW eps, I dont know about that”
“Based on his past DW eps, I dont know about that
”
Lets Kill Hitler, the finale of season 6, the entire arc.
Then season 7 littered with poor episodes, and an arc not many people liked, and him leaving his mark on doctor who history, in a bad way.
Season 8, his episodes again weren't that good apart from one of them, and once again a poor finale. This season he wrote a very good episode, but once again messing with the show's laws and principles.
Time for change, the declining views is also an indication.
And his overall time as showrunner has made it a job no one wants to take.
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