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True-but there is a difference between liking "Doctor Who" and being a "fan of Doctor
Who". I have seen "The Caves of Androzani" over 20 times. I know a woman online who has bought every single Target novelization of DW, and another man who has several shelves of DW merchandise. This is different from the person who watches and enjoys DW, but isn't a "fan". Before John Nathan-Turner took over, Doctor Who fandom played little part in the show's creation-we were seen as just one small group among the millions of DW viewers. Although JNT wasn't a fan, he began listening to fandom and incorporating their suggestions into the show-hence high-continuity eps like "Earthshock" and "The Five Doctors". Since JNT's time, fans have being running the show, and I think the show might benefit from having a production team made entirely of people who like the show but aren't "fans". |
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Anyone who gets the job will say they're a fan won't they? I'm not doubting the words of any of those people you mention but no-one is going to take the job and say 'i'm not that into Doctor Who actually. this is just a job for me'.
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On the contrary, it was a fantastic dream. Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.
Whether you like what Moffat has done or not, (and obviously you don't) he has actually made Doctor Who way more popular worldwide than it ever was before, and as far as the BBC is concerned, Moffat running Who has been a massive success. |
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On the contrary, it was a fantastic dream. Moffat has destroyed Who over the past 6 years, anyone is preferable to him.
All these serial whiners have finally got what they want. Prepare for a further wave of moaning and hand-wringing when reality sets in next year. |
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Moffat has not destroyed Doctor Who, he has done many good things, like expanding it world wide, the work in the 50th was very good.
But he has overstayed his welcome by 1-2 years imo, for lack of a better term, he seems to have ran out of enthusiasm and his ego seems to have increased as well leading to some problems. |
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Explain this frankly bizarre and nonsensical statement or get back under your bridge.
All these serial whiners have finally got what they want. Prepare for a further wave of moaning and hand-wringing when reality sets in next year. |
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Nothing bizarre or nonsensical about my statement and I don't live under a bridge. Ratings have declined massively, and it is Moffat's writing that has been bizarre and nonsensical. The "serial whiners", as you put it, just want decent, entertaining stories that make a bit of sense, surely not too much to ask for.
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I love how some people always use ratings to try and somehow assert their opinion as more valid than others.
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I love how some people always use ratings to try and somehow assert their opinion as more valid than others.
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Not sure how I feel about this. None of his episodes in the past have stood out in any way. His Series 7 episodes were amongst my least favourite in the series, but the characterisation of Brian Williams was very good so perhaps we can expect better written characters in the Chibnall era.
It's good that Moffat is leaving though. Don't get me wrong, I've liked him and still do, but it's time for him to move on IMO. |
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Not sure how I feel about this. None of his episodes in the past have stood out in any way. His Series 7 episodes were amongst my least favourite in the series, but the characterisation of Brian Williams was very good so perhaps we can expect better written characters in the Chibnall era.
It's good that Moffat is leaving though. Don't get me wrong, I've liked him and still do, but it's time for him to move on IMO. But most importantly has experience being a showrunner in a very successful show, Broadchurch. |
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I just can't forgive Chris Chibnall for those terrible Silurian episodes in the first Matt Smith series of Who. yuck!
Or Broadchurch, really. Good actors really did the silk purse out of a sow's ear thing. It's very rare I shout noooooooooooo at the radio when I hear entertainment news but Chibnall as Who showrunner... well, perhaps he'll find some really excellent writers and then not interfere.
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Yes, it's great isn't it. And in this instance perfectly acceptable.
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I think the day I let a Coronation Street fan pass judgement on the writers and culture I enjoy is quite frankly the day hell freezes over. To then hear them pontificating about quality drama is utterly hilarious. It's like a Sun reader shouting abuse at you from his van as you leave the Library. Some people just have no taste.
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I'm really not sure that's how it works, but then, that's not the most ridiculous thing you've said here is it?
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Yes, it's great isn't it. And in this instance perfectly acceptable.
With just a couple of exceptions, every long running TV show has seen a marked drop in ratings in the past couple of years. This is a fact that all TV producers have had to get used to. It's not a reflection on the quality of the shows. Doctor Who is actually doing pretty well in this climate - it has lost far less viewers than the major soaps, for example. Declining ratings are merely one statistic, yet using that statistic without the proper context seems to be the favourite stick that ill-informed people use to beat any TV show with... As far as the BBC is concerned, Doctor Who is a strong show, and one in which the Beeb clearly has great faith. That is what matters. |
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and yet again another thread is derailed and stolen by the tiresome anti-Moffat agenda of a small minority of posters. This is supposed to be about Chris Chibnalls relative merits. Why on earth are we back onto the subject of ratings under Moffat? Thats an entirely different subject and one about which there have been a thousand threads already.
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Dont rise to it. Some people have been waiting 6 years for this day. Let them have their bit of fun. Of course they reveal their true nature by showing such a lack of grace and class in trying to cause arguments. I haven't seen any 'Moffat fanboys' or silly arguing from anyone else- most of us just getting on discussing the possibilities of the new era and the pros and cons. The irony is that even Moffats fns on here are being reasonable and magnanimous in admitting its probably for the best he leaves. That wont stop some people from trying to poison the conversations with the usual partisan nonsense and lame wind up techniques. Just ignore them.
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I think some people are just so obsessed and swayed by the commercial side of success that there could be an entire series of Moffat scrubbing himself in the tub while singing a selection of Cyndi Lauper songs and they would still love it as long as it had an NTA award and 10 million viewers.
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and yet again another thread is derailed and stolen by the tiresome anti-Moffat agenda of a small minority of posters. This is supposed to be about Chris Chibnalls relative merits. Why on earth are we back onto the subject of ratings under Moffat? Thats an entirely different subject and one about which there have been a thousand threads already.
Let's face it - both RTD and Moffat had fans who either liked or loathed their style. The ratings issue is unfair on both of them, but so was scheduling Doctor Who with the X Factor and Strictly . I can only wish Chris Chibnall all the best and for all he's going to have put up with. Can't wait for 2017 and 2018.Bet you it will be a Cyberman story for Christmas Day - the only episode this year. |
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I think some people are just so obsessed and swayed by the commercial side of success that there could be an entire series of Moffat scrubbing himself in the tub while singing a selection of Cyndi Lauper songs and they would still love it as long as it had an NTA award and 10 million viewers.
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I think some people are just so obsessed and swayed by the commercial side of success that there could be an entire series of Moffat scrubbing himself in the tub while singing a selection of Cyndi Lauper songs and they would still love it as long as it had an NTA award and 10 million viewers.
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I think some people are just so obsessed and swayed by the commercial side of success that there could be an entire series of Moffat scrubbing himself in the tub while singing a selection of Cyndi Lauper songs and they would still love it as long as it had an NTA award and 10 million viewers.
For instance The Wire wasn't the most popular show when it aired, now it is regarded as one of the best shows ever. |
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Don't give him any ideas for series 10.
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Totally agree with this. I suspect if the Internet had been around in 1977 then they're would be discussions about how bad The Talons Of Weng-Chiang was and how good that Philip Hinchcliffe is going!
Let's face it - both RTD and Moffat had fans who either liked or loathed their style. The ratings issue is unfair on both of them, but so was scheduling Doctor Who with the X Factor and Strictly . I can only wish Chris Chibnall all the best and for all he's going to have put up with. Can't wait for 2017 and 2018.Bet you it will be a Cyberman story for Christmas Day - the only episode this year. |
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at the radio when I hear entertainment news but Chibnall as Who showrunner... well, perhaps he'll find some really excellent writers and then not interfere.
Can't wait for 2017 and 2018.