You mean I'm not the only one ?

The past showrunners didn't suddenly start saying "oh yes I've always been a fan" when they got the job though, they'd been very publicly superfans for decades. Maybe they should hire someone who didn't used to, like, run DW fanclubs or write essays about being superfans.

This must be a hitherto unknown meaning of the word 'destroy'.
Whether you like what Moffat has done or not, (and obviously you don't) he has actually made Doctor Who way more popular worldwide than it ever was before, and as far as the BBC is concerned, Moffat running Who has been a massive success.

Explain this frankly bizarre and nonsensical statement or get back under your bridge.

All these serial whiners have finally got what they want. Prepare for a further wave of moaning and hand-wringing when reality sets in next year.

Moffat has not destroyed Doctor Who, he has done many good things, like expanding it world wide, the work in the 50th was very good.

But he has overstayed his welcome by 1-2 years imo, for lack of a better term, he seems to have ran out of enthusiasm and his ego seems to have increased as well leading to some problems.

Nothing bizarre or nonsensical about my statement and I don't live under a bridge. Ratings have declined massively, and it is Moffat's writing that has been bizarre and nonsensical. The "serial whiners", as you put it, just want decent, entertaining stories that make a bit of sense, surely not too much to ask for.

I love how some people always use ratings to try and somehow assert their opinion as more valid than others.

It's not about validity of opinions, but if they can choose to please tens or hundreds they take hundreds.

Yes, it's great isn't it. And in this instance perfectly acceptable.

Not sure how I feel about this. None of his episodes in the past have stood out in any way. His Series 7 episodes were amongst my least favourite in the series, but the characterisation of Brian Williams was very good so perhaps we can expect better written characters in the Chibnall era.

It's good that Moffat is leaving though. Don't get me wrong, I've liked him and still do, but it's time for him to move on IMO.

He has written some very good Torchwood episodes.

But most importantly has experience being a showrunner in a very successful show, Broadchurch.

Or Torchwood S1's Cyberwoman. Jeez.

Or Broadchurch, really. Good actors really did the silk purse out of a sow's ear thing.

It's very rare I shout noooooooooooo at the radio when I hear entertainment news but Chibnall as Who showrunner... well, perhaps he'll find some really excellent writers and then not interfere.

I'm really not sure that's how it works, but then, that's not the most ridiculous thing you've said here is it?

I think the day I let a Coronation Street fan pass judgement on the writers and culture I enjoy is quite frankly the day hell freezes over. To then hear them pontificating about quality drama is utterly hilarious. It's like a Sun reader shouting abuse at you from his van as you leave the Library. Some people just have no taste.

Dont rise to it. Some people have been waiting 6 years for this day. Let them have their bit of fun. Of course they reveal their true nature by showing such a lack of grace and class in trying to cause arguments. I haven't seen any 'Moffat fanboys' or silly arguing from anyone else- most of us just getting on discussing the possibilities of the new era and the pros and cons. The irony is that even Moffats fns on here are being reasonable and magnanimous in admitting its probably for the best he leaves. That wont stop some people from trying to poison the conversations with the usual partisan nonsense and lame wind up techniques. Just ignore them.

Acceptable perhaps... but ultimately wrong.

With just a couple of exceptions, every long running TV show has seen a marked drop in ratings in the past couple of years. This is a fact that all TV producers have had to get used to. It's not a reflection on the quality of the shows.
Doctor Who is actually doing pretty well in this climate - it has lost far less viewers than the major soaps, for example.
Declining ratings are merely one statistic, yet using that statistic without the proper context seems to be the favourite stick that ill-informed people use to beat any TV show with...
As far as the BBC is concerned, Doctor Who is a strong show, and one in which the Beeb clearly has great faith. That is what matters.

and yet again another thread is derailed and stolen by the tiresome anti-Moffat agenda of a small minority of posters. This is supposed to be about Chris Chibnalls relative merits. Why on earth are we back onto the subject of ratings under Moffat? Thats an entirely different subject and one about which there have been a thousand threads already.

I think some people are just so obsessed and swayed by the commercial side of success that there could be an entire series of Moffat scrubbing himself in the tub while singing a selection of Cyndi Lauper songs and they would still love it as long as it had an NTA award and 10 million viewers.

Thanks so much for that image.

Totally agree with this. I suspect if the Internet had been around in 1977 then they're would be discussions about how bad The Talons Of Weng-Chiang was and how good that Philip Hinchcliffe is going!

Let's face it - both RTD and Moffat had fans who either liked or loathed their style. The ratings issue is unfair on both of them, but so was scheduling Doctor Who with the X Factor and Strictly . I can only wish Chris Chibnall all the best and for all he's going to have put up with. Can't wait for 2017 and 2018.

Bet you it will be a Cyberman story for Christmas Day - the only episode this year.

Don't give him any ideas for series 10.

Exactly. Its a mindset that is completely alien to me and many others so just ignore it. Would the same people claim Mcdonalds is the finest food? That the Daily Mail is the finest reading material? That Transformers is the pinnacle of cinema? That Michael Bay is a better director than Welles or Scorcese or Kurosawa purely because of box office? That One Direction made better records than The Velvet Underground? I doubt it (and if they do then...oh dear). But because it suits their agenda to do so then that is the hymn sheet they choose to sing from. It's all rather silly and as I say...its just hard to take it remotely seriously because it crumbles under even the lightest scrutiny.

But i get the point you are saying, people use ratings as the be all of success.

For instance The Wire wasn't the most popular show when it aired, now it is regarded as one of the best shows ever.

"It's going to be a big event... you'll never see it coming!"

If you look since the news broke it has been 99 percent civil on all sides. No Moffat fan boys throwing toys out the pram. No arguing. Just people with varying opinions getting on with discussing the future and Chibnall in a civil fashion. Its the same minority who try and spoil things and its no surprise. Theyve been doing it all through Season 9. Its sad.