I really hope so. I think John thought they were fine. He didn't know how deep the Gemma poison had got.

I hope Tiff and John become proper friends though, they both need someone. This could be a start. She's got to figure out Gemma totally though.

Yes, and he was surprised as well as hurt.

John will be painted in the worst light possible on the HL show tomorrow.

He's going to need PTSD treatment when he gets out of that house.

Inevitably. Look at how the sweet conversation he had with Steph was cut and the edit made it look like he was going around telling everyone everything to cause drama.

And tonight on BOTS, they were talking about how 'funny' Gemma was by refusing to do the task, and no mention of his doing 6 hours in it without a complaint.

I don't mind producers having their favourites and acting accordingly, but can they not be more SUBTLE about it.

He knows it too.

It must be horrible

I agree but Tiff listens far too much to Gemma and her bullshit, it's a shame because these two are the most intelligent in the house and could definitely be good friends! I don't think she realises that John try's to give Steph good advice about her boyfriend so she doesn't get hurt but Tiff is taking it as John being arrogant and a know it all! Plus Tiff has definitely had too much to drink.

I just wish BB would stop breaking away from John and Tiff to the other crap from Gemma moaning about how Steph has hurt her and Daniella. Gemma has certainly fooled Daniella hasn't she?

I agree, it must really mess with your head in that house, no wonder he cried over the Gemma incident!

If she was talking about John getting booed then I'm sure she's thinking the same about Gemma considering she got booed as well.

They seem to have not heard the boos for Gemma.

Megan just mentioned the boos John got last week.

Seems they have selective hearing as well as memories in that house

I think she KNOWS why Gemma got booed.

She doesn't understand why John did though. So thinks it must be something she hasn't understood, or maybe Gemma was right or something.

To be fair, I don't understand the boos really either, apart from the fact the crowd are very unreliable. Tiff won't have understood that though.

But whatever, she's not thinking about what SHE knows, and perhaps she's just bought into what OTHERS say, and they are unreliable also.

She should trust herself.

Yeah Whatever 'fits' with the 'narrative' dictated by BB MUST be true.

But then BB are dictating that Gemma is 'chosen'.

How weird. The "Get Gemma out" chants should tell them all they need to know. I mean when she was announced as safe she got even louder boos


That's a fair point.

Maybe it's me, but I just don't understand why she is being given so much slack.....I mean she's hardly a Hollywood superstar is she.

Rylan made a big point, while having a sly dig at John last week, that nobody is bigger than BB, yet days later, we see Collins not doing tasks (a fundamental rule of BB), demanding hair curlers so she won't walk, giving an option to Bail her out of jail, even though she didn't get in it in the first place.

Then we have the BOTs panel with Amy Childs, followed by Bobby, followed by Fern....all TOWIE cast members and supporters of Collins.

Bias with a capital B IMO

Completely agree.


And she bores me to flamin' DEATH. I couldn't listen to her droning on and on about her enlarged heart or whatever I don't bloody CARE, tonight.

I was desperate to hear more of the other convo.

Gemma is right though, she's bloody FINISHED in this show, as far as I'm concerned, she's a funsucking, horrible, boring cow trotting out the same old crap every bloody episode.

She's only good for laughing at.

Fun sucking sums her up perfectly.

Don't understand folk who say she is entertaining...........she does sod all in that house and only comes to life when the live feed is on air.

Think I need to give my head a wobble, as I'm obviously missing something

The only person I've heard say she is entertaining is Gemma herself. She certainly seems to have an inflated sense of her own importance. There is absolutely nothing entertaining about her, as far as I can see. That also applies to most of the others, but at least they don't go about saying 'I'm the only one giving any entertainment' every ten minutes.

only getting bits of the convo she said something about knickers aswell and steff said she thought john had done it

Good to know she's taking her cue's from the crowd reaction, rather than making her own judgements and having the courage of her own convictions.

If she suddenly challenges Gemma next, after having her back for the past week, I think it's safe to assume she's just playing to the gallery.

"That's why the whole of America is booing you", as she said to John. Doesn't look promising.

Gemma must of really mind f##ked Tiff against John!

tina malone and that comedian don't know her name had plenty to say about gemma

She's hardly had Gemma's back. She called her untrustworthy during the jungle task. Also when Gemma was trying to cause trouble for Steph saying she took her shoes, Tiffany did say no one had taken them and that Gemma was just looking to cause trouble or something like that.

Also, they all take their cues from the crowd in there. It should be stopped. It's even worse with Tiffany because she's not from here and doesn't necessarily know that the crowd doesn't represent the views of the whole country. The Brits should know better than not to take the crowd reactions with a pinch of salt