Wtf was that Tiffany and John thing about? All I got was knickers, costume and degrading.

Either way, most interesting conversation of this series despite the choppy back and forth.

@bbuklive posted this earlier:

8:32pm: Tiffany and Stephanie are in the garden talking about underwear. #BBUKLive

Related to the knickers bit?

I never usually bother with live feed but just happened to tonight and it was almost like a full episode Very interesting with John and Tiffany. John fascinates me - I can't work the guy out at all. Tbh even if he is playing with them all I still like him for it

I don't believe he's 'playing' any more than anyone does in any difficult social situation - trying to be himself but get on with others etc.....

Sounds like a rather mean prank was pulled on Stephanie and Tiffany thought John was behind it. But Tiffany claims she got this idea from Steph herself. Claims Stephanie suspected John, Darren or someone else.

Hmm maybe. That's the thing with BB you're looking for gameplayers but many people are simply how they'd be anyway e.g. with Stephanie you could say she'd be that way without any cameras. I've really enjoyed this series been a lot going on hope I'm not alone.

Best bit of coverage I've seen so far on BB, shame they keep cutting back to Gemma telling Chris what a big heart she's got pffffft

From where I'm sitting, I think Steph has done a great job of degrading herself. She doesn't need any help from john or anyone else.

This is Tellymix's take on it: http://www.tellymix.co.uk/reality-tv...partridge.html

The funny thing being that it's JOhn she has an hour long heated discussion with rather than also confronting the other two names mentioned in equal measure.

Very interesting live feed though, excepting the Gemma parts

It will be interesting to compare the Tiffany/John live feed we saw and heard (mostly) with how BB edits it tomorrow (if they even include it of course!).

Goodnight

I think a lot of it has to do with his facial features....Cold staring grey eyes, thin lips, down turned mouth, and a gummy smile......

Powerful presence, intelligence and charisma doesn't help either.

I think that John looks very upset that Tiff would think so badly of him and she now takes his word that he didn't do what she was accusing him of! At one point it looked like John was going to burst into tears! Tiff probably won't remember a thing tomorrow when she sobers up!

Won't remember or will report back to her buddy Gemma.

Felt sorry for John tonight.

Be interesting to see if any of this makes the HL show.

No, you're not alone. I've enjoyed this series a lot more than the UK VS USA theme.

This series 6/10, last series 5/10.

Yes I felt sorry for John too, it seems whatever he does he can't win! It's a shame that nobody seems on his wavelength, quite disappointed in Tiff tonight!

To be fair to Tiff it wasn't a shouting match, it was fairly civil and at the end it mostly got resolved. They said that they really like each other and enjoy each others company.

He can't win, whatever he does.

Take tonight on BOTS, they showed a clip of John giving sensible advice to Steph. When asked for her comment, Megan says "he's just trying to be Mr Perfect"

If he had been seen having a go at Steph for her behaviour, no doubt he would be accused of bullying a young girl.

Whatever he does and says is always looked as a negative with his fellow HMs and the BOTS audience.....or should that be the TOWIE audience, as that show seems to have taken over this years CBB

So there was no hint as to how Stephanie was 'degraded' then ?

Why? She thought something had occurred and questioned him about it. He answered and she seemed to accept it. It's not that long ago he was trying to get Tiff turfed out of the house and she seems to have come to terms with that and in fact they seems to be good friends now. I don't see anything to feel sorry for John about at all and not least because he seems to be very supported on here at least but with the voters too

I think it was in relation to the massive bitchfest slagging Steph making her sound like a complete slob and also in reference to how much her clothes cost.

So interesting that I turned off the tv rather than listen to any more of it..

Where is the yawn smiley when we need it?

There's a sleep one

But that was really only a very small part of it. She really laid into him - I thought he turned it round well - he said 'but you're like that - or you do that' - she didn't really have much of a come back.

When people (on the show) go on and on about being two faced - I personally found it very two faced that she sat there (after laying into him) saying 'I really like you John', If she really likes him why does she sit listening and joining in with Gemma and all the spiteful stuff about John?

Is that what that's meant to be?