Yep. And i'm sick of it. And even worse is that the very people who post this stuff are the first ones to play the victim when they get treated with the same lack of respect they show others.

The truth of the matter is that there are NO Moffat 'fanboys/girls' or pro-Moffat obsessives on this forum.
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There are however Anti-Moffat obsessives. They are easily spotted. It's all they ever post about.

I'm a Doctor Who fanboy. Out and proud!

As an aside,

wasn't June Whitfield written into TEOT as an in-joke about Tennant's attractiveness to a certain demographic ?
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He simply isn't a leading man. He doesn't have the warmth and charisma of Tennant or Smith for such a light-hearted family show. He was a poor casting choice. If the show had a good cast of likeable supporting characters who made you care about them (like in The Thick of It) it wouldn't matter so much because Capaldi's contribution to the show would slot into the gaps left by the others. But it hasn't. Danny Pink and Clara haven't made up for the lack of sparkle and charisma. This is why some people are so taken by Missy - She was the only character in the last series with anything resembling screen presence and fun. Oh, and RTD's Davros.

I am absolutely certain Chris Chibnall will be aware of this fatal problem with a Saturday night BBC1 entertaining drama, and do something about it. Of course, there's still a lot more to restoring it to a successful, culturally relevant show, but that remains to be seen. I am optimistic that the dark, Scottish bleakness of Moffat will be over.

It's been like Jeremy Paxman ending up presenting The Generation Game, with rabid fanboys screaming mindlessly into the faces of a million and a half abandoning nay-sayers that Paxman is an amazing presenter with an outstanding track record in his field and has much more gravitas than Brucie ever did.

I don't know if this helps Isambard Brunel, but the viewing figures for the Generation Game went up by millions when Brucie left and Larry Grayson took over. So there's still hope for Doctor Who.

I'm not sure but I hope there was at least some reason why RTD subjected the audience to that painfully unfunny and patronising 'silver cloak' nonsense.

Ooh shut that door!

That should totally be the next Doctor's catchphrase.

As a male straight doctor who fan of this day and age (only started with the 2005 series and I am still under 30 now) I would say no. Capaldi's look is actually a plus for me because it gives him more gravitas. As for female fans, I don't think you give them enough credit. I doubt every female who watches does so just to drool over the lead.

I think some women on tv are attractive, but I wouldn't watch a show I found boring or a character I didn't like just because they were attractive, and I don't believe it is the case with certain era's of doctor who. I could perhaps believe someone might just watch part of one episode on that basis, but not watch for 3 whole years then a year of specials as you seem to be suggesting with Tennant.

Are we now saying that the million and a half naysayers have more sway than the 6 and a half million people who have stayed watching the show and presumably enjoying Capaldi?

You're beyond parody now. I never even said *I* was wound up. If you just replace every reference to you in that post of yours with saladfingers, then why are you reacting so badly to what he is posting?!


Anyway, back to the topic - I'd rather they cast the right actor for the role rather than just pander to demographics. I'm not saying that they should actively alienate the audience, but I'm fairly certain Tennant and Smith weren't cast with the result in mind that they actually had on the audience.

To be fair, it's a lot to lose in a single year. It does create a worrying context for how his Doctor is being received taking into account all other factors between seasons 8 and 9 were the same.

Final figures for Xmas should be about 8 million. The makers of recent genre shows like Jekyll...and Beowulf: The Shetland Years would be drooling. The ratings are down, but let's keep things in perspective!

Erm . . . You said "we" which includes You.

Even if it's a "Royal" we it includes you

And, as I said, what you post is your responsibility, not mine. Don't blame me if you react badly to my opinion or my choice of words.

I didn't ask you, Saladfingers81 or Lord Smexy to react, engage or comment on my post. You all chose to. That's down to you. Don't blame me for your behaviour or what you write on this forum.

PS - Supergirl is AWFUL. Avoid at all costs.

I think people are blaming you for your behaviour: you're passive agressive, snide remarks aimed at people who enjoy Moffat's tenure that you full well know you make, including tonight's one suggesting that only mindless fanboys with no perception of quality loved Heaven Sent.

Mindless is your word not mine. What made you think of that word?

And please feel free to disagree with me. That's what these forums are for after all. But why go straight for the personal as usual?

My point remains I am surprised by the poll. I thought it would be overwhelmingly in favour of Capaldi staying for Chibnall's first season. It's not though. So go figure.

I said:
Nowhere did I say that I was wound up in any singular or plural sense. Those are two separate ideas. I said that "we" understand what you're doing and saying.

And can I just add, it's not Supergirl's fault that you don't like it. No one asked you to watch it.

You're wrong. My husband ordered me to watch it. And it's painfully bad

I think the Doctor Who fans who want Capaldi to stay on need to start being very vocal about it this year. Rememeber, once Moffat has written and planned the season Capldi's fate is set so this is a crucial time in that regard. Let the BBC know you want the guy. Let Capaldi know it. I don't use social media personally but those who do should really push hard for Capaldi. Make your feelings known. Remember, those who don't want him will be louder than you so if you want a 4th season of Capaldi shout them down.

There's too much constant talk of change for changes sake in Doctor Who fandom. It's part of the culture now but sometimes it's useful to keep hold of a good thing for a while.

I would love Peter Capaldi to break the three season pattern. It's become too entrenched now and needs changing. He is the man to do it. I think his most recent performances, particularly Heaven Sent and The Husbands of River Song have been as good as those of any previous Doctors.

I'm still right. I said no one asked you to watch it. You said your husband ordered you. #semantics

You got me there

TOTALLY off topic, but Jessica Jones is seriously good. Not just because David Tennant's in it I promise you!

Seconded

Exactly. lol

They act like the ratings are terrible, when they are still quite good.

Not to mention it continues to do VERY well outside of England

I have tried for years to engage my family in my Doctor Who obsession, but only my then 4 year old granddaughter got it. When Capaldi appeared my daughter became an instant fan. There may be only one television on at the time the show is on, but there are 2 new fans* - we are eagerly awaiting the next season (and the ones after that). Definitely agree that the three year rule should go.

*Does that mean I can vote three times?

basically.