He's dramatic, he's a luvvie and does overstate for effect, but - to me he meant 'he'd not lost control in public', even when he was extremely upset, but he had over Gemma's machinations because she had got to him horribly.

Just because the GBP doesn't like John doesn't mean they are being influenced by Gemma or Tiffany. What a ridiculous assumption, especially considering Gemma is now pretty disliked as well. I haven't liked him since his whole "I respect your opinion, Winston" BS. He should have stood up for what he believed in than try to appease Winston. His tears over Gemma should have won him an Academy Award nomination too.

Is this directed at me ? if it is then you must have got confused somehow because i never once said that

No, not you. Just in general. I saw another post in this thread that said that but I didn't quote it because I was making a point to everyone.

Oh right, fair enough

[quote=Rhumbatugger;81221595]He didn't SAY, his 'father's death', he said 'at his father's funeral'. He meant 'in public'.


Yes, John did say he didn't cry at his father's funeral, and he also said he hasn't cried regarding his mother's illness, although in an interview he said he cried in the shower.
You claim he meant in public. When he cried on ITV's This Morning, surely that's in public?

lol well said

Not seen darren mention it since he explained his nom to john in the bedroom on noms night .
Other than that the only ones going on about it are john supporters on bots etc trying to justify his shameful trashing of a pal . So yeah , they need to get over it really .

He also went on about it when Gemma bought it up a week ago when she was trying to get everyone to turn on John.

A week ago ? And gemma brought it up ? Point proven m'lud.
He's clearly not "going on about it" despite numerous threads claiming he is .

Ok gemma affected him more than his fathers funeral.
But he didn't mean in public , there is ZERO reason to think he said that, you've made it up to carry on defending a very difficult position.


ha ha ha ! See above.

I have never liked John, well his character I suppose in Eastenders but I thought and when I realised he would be on this as well I wasn't going to bother with it.

However I really liked Tiff so she's the main reason I carried on watching but I only started watching after the David fiasco. Unfortunate for John I caught him at his worst I guess and then I wasn't too bothered about the Darren thing but watching him since I haven't warmed to him at all. I just don't find him believable; it's as though most of what he does or says for or to people has an ulterior motive... however, I can't always work out what that motive is but can only surmise that it's to hold on to what he is being told and then use it later.

His character I find is rather one dimensional... his real one, not his Eastenders one lol.

Oh and don't forget that pathetic crying in the DR about gay adoption.
Soooo hammy.
And in public too

I never usually want any particular hm to win, but the absolute c*ap and total rubbish being written about John, the supposed machiavellian "master puppeteer, makes me want him to win.

Of COURSE there's a reason to think he meant that when he said 'funeral' confused:

Saying 'death', would mean he didn't cry for his father. Saying 'funeral', means 'in public' although he was extremely upset.

I don't have to make anything up, I am perfectly capable of understanding inference, especially in such an obvious example.

Never mind though.

I don't think that's being said, just that he's doing whatever he can to win, no matter how desperate it reveals him to be or how unconvincing he is.

Why do people keep reading into opinions , things that aren't there.
It's like they've only come on here for fight.

You're taking a lot of inference from something he said and making out he meant a something entirely different.
For your own reasons is my guess , and I suggest you keep those reasons , nobody needs (or wants) to know

Again, presumably you don't find someone being upset by Winston's attitude wrong then?

Just the way he showed that?

How would you like him to have shown it then?

I'm not, it's sort of English Language Key Stage three, really.

I think disagreeing with Winston is appropriate BUT that's not the topic.

You're the one insisting John didn't cry at his dad's funeral to avoid public tears. As if his old mans funeral was on the news at ten when it would have just been his family and family friends. Perfectly safe environment for a little weep.
Yet he blubbed on TV. Several times

Let's just leave it, I feel like this is a discussion in which I have an unfair advantage.

Enjoy the programme

I fear you are missing the point.

But then you are determined to, so yes, let's just leave it.

[quote=Rhumbatugger;81222689]Of COURSE there's a reason to think he meant that when he said 'funeral' confused:

Saying 'death', would mean he didn't cry for his father. Saying 'funeral', means 'in public' although he was extremely upset.

Regarding 'in public.'. Wouldn't you agree that ITV's This Morning is public, very public in fact? I'm referring to the interview he gave about his mother's illness.

absolutely agree with all of this^^^^^ John hasn't changed but instead still has the chants of ''get John out'' ringing in his ears so is far more aware of keeping his condescending, nasty streak in check.

I don't get why a pig ignorant attitude that pretty much everyone is derisive about would make a grown man weep......John works in one of the most cut throat, fickle games there is. all the tears and emotion around that episode seemed very contrived to me and John tried way too hard to portray how earnest and right on he is.

If bl@@dy Gemma wins, I swear I will boil my head!