John was the one who insisted they stay on the table and name and shame the person.

John's a grown man in his 40s (I think). He's the oldest person in the house.

If they didn't want to wash the knickers (and washing rota or no washing rota I wouldn't want to wash someone else's underwear by hand either!) they should have just put them back in the wash bin (or whatever it was) and got on with washing the other clothes, and maybe mention to the females that knickers were still in the bin for washing.

Not start shouting 'Name and shame, name and shame! Pigeon shit!' and go into the bedroom and humiliate whoever those knickers belonged to.

BIB Old enough to know that I wouldn't leave my dirty knickers for anyone else to deal with if they were in that kind of state (or even if they were in no state at all). The same as I wouldn't want to come across a pair of the guys crappy underpants.

No, I've never shared a communal house. But if I were to share a communal house with anyone I would never leave underwear in that kind of state for someone else to come across. Besides which, I wouldn't want anyone else's gussets in that condition anywhere near my clothes dirty or otherwise.

Call me old fashioned and pernickety but I'd go loopy if anyone that suggested they could/ have vaginal thrush or otherwise (as Steph did kind of intimate) had put their gusset anywhere near my garments.

It's so weird how some people are so quick to absolve him of all blame even when it's evident he's actually done something wrong too. Such a shame

Oh I agree John shouldn't have been got at like that by Tiff ,but then John should've manned up and told her to Piss off and he wasn't answerable to her ....Which in a way he did ,but not as forceful as I would've done

As for the girls and their behaviour ,I wasn't surprised by it as they've already shown numerous times how Vile they are

I like John and I was massively disappointed in him for his part it tonight and then blatently lying about it pissed me off even more ...I expected better of him

If John has not lived communally with any women, why would he have seen soiled female underwear ?

I have been with my wife over 30 years and still get revolted when she leaves soiled underwear laying on the bedroom floor. A gay man who has never come across this behaviour before might easily over-react

Spot on and I like Tiffany. I do think, however, Gemma had worked her manipulative way with Tiffany with regards to John.

Oh really? "No malice"? and if someone exhibited your dirty underwear in public, would you feel the same?

I've never rinsed my undies before putting them in the wash.

And I only cheap stuff from BHS,or Marks and Spencer. And there's been no such effect as permanent stainage.

The person who was responsible for knickergate is Stephanie. She left her washing, including visibly soiled knickers, in the bath. Totally gross! Anyone wanting a bath would have had to lift them out and put them onto the floor.. Then presumably clean the bath before using it! Everyone else would have to step over them or kick them out of the way when they were using the bathroom. I think one of the guys was probably cleaning the bathroom, picked up the clothes which were lying on the floor and brought them through for the owner to claim them. They then noticed the panties were soiled and were grossed out, understandably, and started to have a carry-on about it.

I don't blame everyone for making a fuss about it. At least they did it in a light-hearted way.

People have been moaning the whole time about her leaving her clothes all over the floor. If you're sharing a house you don't leave your dirty knickers where other people can see them. I share a house with my partner, and I wouldn't dream of leaving soiled knickers for him to see. Ugh!

I read somewhere tonight (Think it was Tellymix) that the guys had collected items to wash. It may be that the men were fed up of seeing stuff all over the place and Danielle and Megan's reaction to it as they have been irate about it to say the least so they perhaps decided just to collect everyones clothes and do the biz.

Against most of this forums opinions I think I may well have reacted like the men did. Darren uttered ugh or something and Christopher ran away. I think he actually made the same comment. I think too I would have been tempted to name and shame. Does that make me a bad person or a villain - you decide.

I do know if it had been my own child I would have gone ballistic about her leaving discharge stained knickers on the floor in the first place. In a plastic bag (if no washing machine) and certainly not on my floors.

When I was young if I left my clothes (not knickers) lying around the place my mother used to sling them out of the window into the rain sometimes to teach me a lesson so guess i was brought up with standards which have stayed with me. My own mother "shamed" me in a different sort of way. Was she a bully? Again, you decide

Have you ever been married, have you ever had a daughter? Do all the people in the house keep their underwear separate? Or do each of you wash your stained underwear first before you actually put them in the washing basket.

It seems there are some very odd people around here or my standards are very odd.



Maggie

I wouldn't leave my dirty underwear in a communal bathroom for someone else to wash!

I actually thought it was quite lighthearted too Flora. Certainly don't get the bullying perspective. Steph knows how to turn things round to her advantage in my opinion and pulling out the bullying card may well swing public opinion for her.

My problem here isn't that he is blameless. I agree with you that he's not. My issue here is that he is being blamed too much. IMO - Gemma deserved that interrogation, not John as she and Danielle behaved far worse.Why is not Tiffany having a go at them after the way they behaved? With them, they were nasty, rude and it was playground behavior. Where as with John... though not entirely innocent was not nasty. At least not in my opinion. Misguided, tactless and insensitive but the asssertion that he is some sort of pupper master pulling every ones strings is just getting old now. The guy is a middle-aged clean freak who is quite forthright but he's not this evil genius.

But it was not the minute she took them off it was a week during which she didn't raise her lazy Arse, something that I taught my daughter when she hit puberty, rinse in cold and shove in the basket, especially as that's the age they get into wanting pretty undies so why spoil them and why would anyone leave any dirty earning for a week, yucky

Why does anybody have to be responsible? People are what they are. Each of the HMs reacted in their own ways, which are all fairly understandable. There's no need to assign blame to one person for the whole 'knickergate'. Even grouping the series of events as 'knickergate' is meaningless.

Happily married, one daughter. Of course my family don't keep their washing separate. But they are my family, not random strangers.

I'm far from odd Maggie. Hygienic yes.

But, I have the use of a washing machine and I don't have to stick my hands/fingers in a relative strangers dirty gusset which I personally wouldn't find acceptable. It may be acceptable for you to do that but for me it would not be.

I daresay there are many others that wouldn't cherish the idea of handling soiled underwear from relative strangers. If you find that odd, then so be it.

Well not to be too graphic if you unexpectedly come on your period and stick them in a hot wash it can seal in the stain, sometimes unavoidable so always rinse in cold, anyway got a love the little boys who started all off this, if we didn't have discharge and periods they wouldn't be on this planet

I quite agree with you.

I was bought up to put dirty laundry in the basket. Had I left anything on the floor it would have been flung out into the garden lol.

In my household if anything requires a little extra attention, it gets a soak in the sink with a dollop of vanish. I'm a stickler for hygiene.

This house must have the shiniest gussets in the whole of Christendom lol

These people are not family. They're colleagues sharing a communal space for a short time.

I have lived in communal situations all my life. Growing up with sisters, sharing flats with other women, or living with a male partner. Never once have I experienced someone leaving obviously soiled knickers lying around, or adding them to a shared laundry bag.

It's about having a bit of privacy, dignity and respect for others.

I don't find you point of view odd at all. For example nurses and carers are just a couple of groups of people who don't touch the underwear of strangers either (without gloves). There is an also an infection risk, even if relatively small, especially if knickers are "crusty" as Tiffany said in the diary room. I like good hygiene and that includes in my own family but that's just me -each to their own.

Yep that's exactly what happened.

Steph left them in a pile of clothes to be washed. The boys left them on a table. I know Chris tried to put them back, but John insisted on leaving them there. That's more unhygienic yet nobody called them on it .

Same here, I was amazed that Jeremy was like so what if you have crusty knickers, he's really loved up