Darren and Chris responsible for knickergate

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alimi

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by BlondeGremlin:
“Steph left them in a pile of clothes to be washed. The boys left them on a table. I know Chris tried to put them back, but John insisted on leaving them there. That's more unhygienic yet nobody called them on it .”

I was yelling at the telly but I am a little bit ocd when it comes to hygiene

Flora_McDonald

24-01-2016

They'd already been on the table - removing them isn't going to magically clean the germs off.

John didn't "insist" on anything any more than anyone else did. They were all joining in, not surprisingly, because whoever left that disgusting pair of knickers lying around needs to show a bit more respect for other people.

BlueStreak

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by jobielad:
“I don't find you point of view odd at all. For example nurses and carers are just a couple of groups of people who don't touch the underwear of strangers either (without gloves). There is an also an infection risk, even if relatively small, especially if knickers are "crusty" as Tiffany said in the diary room. I like good hygiene and that includes in my own family but that's just me -each to their own.”

Exactly.

You can't compare scrubbing your own families undies with washing Steph's gungy drawers out by hand.

It's a completely different kettle of fish.

When my daughter was an infant and threw up it didn't bother me clearing that up. When my friends small child threw up over me I almost joined in.

It's different when it's your own.

Flora_McDonald

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by cah:
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I like John and I was massively disappointed in him for his part it tonight and then blatently lying about it pissed me off even more ...I expected better of him ”

John was not blatantly lying about anything. He told the truth.

teddybears

24-01-2016

Just watching it again - when the women came out from the bedroom Darren was standing at the table with knickers uncovered inviting them over to have a look like he was working at a carnival.

But no, lets all blame evil manipulator John for it all...

dekaf

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“and that's exactly my point - John is the escape goat... again.

Lets not blame Darren and Chris who put it on the table.

Least of all.... lets not blame Gemma and/or Danielle, who behaved FAR worse than John did tonight.

Let's just blame master manipulator John. It's all his fault.

I understand the whole 'name and shame' thing wasn't the best thing, or the most tactful, but I don't think there was any malicious intent.

Tiff annoyed me tonight. Regardless of what she said about John was true or not (and I'll be the first to admit he can be a bit of a control freak and arrogant at times).... what about Gemma's behaviour...? Why doesn't Tiff pull her up over her shit...?

but no, it's all John's fault.”

Really? I think you should think again! It wasn't all John's fault, I'm not sure why the other two were moving the clothes around in the first place, but John really grasped that opportunity, with both hands, to cause a load of grief for Steph. Gemma and Daniella just acted their usual witchy, bitchy selves.

jobielad

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by alimi:
“I was yelling at the telly but I am a little bit ocd when it comes to hygiene”

Believe me, I feel your pain

dekaf

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by teddybears:
“Just watching it again - when the women came out from the bedroom Darren was standing at the table with knickers uncovered inviting them over to have a look like he was working at a carnival.

But no, lets all blame evil manipulator John for it all...”

Who took it into the bedroom to make a big deal out of it?

Maggie 55

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“I daresay there are many others that wouldn't cherish the idea of handling soiled underwear from relative strangers. If you find that odd, then so be it.

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They shouldn't have touched them then should they?

Steph never asked them to, they did it themselves. Such juvenile behaviour is extraordinary I am amazed that any adult would defend it.

Whats the difference between visibly soiled underwear and soiled underwear that is not particularly visible? The hygiene issues are the same.

Rinsing underwear does not get rid of the hygiene issue, just makes it look different.

If human secretions cause you a problem don't touch someones underwear until it has been through a thorough very hot cleaning cycle.

Maggie

teddybears

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by dekaf:
“Who took it into the bedroom to make a big deal out of it?”

That would be John.

dekaf

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by teddybears:
“That would be John.”

Which makes him a nasty git really, don't you think?

WhatJoeThinks

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“These people are not family. They're colleagues sharing a communal space for a short time.

I have lived in communal situations all my life. Growing up with sisters, sharing flats with other women, or living with a male partner. Never once have I experienced someone leaving obviously soiled knickers lying around, or adding them to a shared laundry bag.

It's about having a bit of privacy, dignity and respect for others.”

Did you sift through to check?

Paace

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by Maggie 55:
“They shouldn't have touched them then should they?

Steph never asked them to, they did it themselves. Such juvenile behaviour is extraordinary I am amazed that any adult would defend it.

Whats the difference between visibly soiled underwear and soiled underwear that is not particularly visible? The hygiene issues are the same.

Rinsing underwear does not get rid of the hygiene issue, just makes it look different.

If human secretions cause you a problem don't touch someones underwear until it has been through a thorough very hot cleaning cycle.

Maggie”

The point is, why did she put her dirty stuff in with the others ? If that was me I'd wash my own dirty laundry .

teddybears

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by dekaf:
“Which makes him a nasty git really, don't you think?”

No, insensitive and immature on this occasion just like Darren and Chris but not nasty.

soozie

24-01-2016

If she just put her knick's in her drawer so she could was them herself none of this would have happened. Blame every man and his dog for showing her up, but if she had cleaned up nobody would have anything to say.
She Steph left them laying around she's to blame.

Flora_McDonald

24-01-2016

The point is that everyone made a fuss about it - not just one person - and they were quite within their rights to do so.

Stephanie turned it into a bullying issue to shift the focus away from her revolting personal hygiene issue. Very manipulative.

Then Tiffany manipulated Stephanie into saying that John was responsible, and went straight to John to tell him that. Also very manipulative and divisive.

I cannot understand these people who are buying into Tiffany's account of things. She who accused Angie of deliberately misleading her into thinking that David Gest had died.. She hasn't a clue what's going on most of the time.

teddybears

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by soozie:
“If she just put her knick's in her drawer so she could was them herself none of this would have happened. Blame every man and his dog for showing her up, but if she had cleaned up nobody would have anything to say.
She Steph left them laying around she's to blame.”

Exactly, just like everyone else is to blame for her ruining her relationship with her boyfriend

(and I say that as someone who is warming to Steph)

Maggie 55

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by Paace:
“The point is, why did she put her dirty stuff in with the others ? If that was me I'd wash my own dirty laundry .”

Did you read what I said?

Every time you wear clothing then it will have your bodily secretions on it after a while.

So every person, apart from children, should always do their own washing and never let any other human touch it should they?

Maggie

Sasparella

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“The person who was responsible for knickergate is Stephanie. She left her washing, including visibly soiled knickers, in the bath. Totally gross! Anyone wanting a bath would have had to lift them out and put them onto the floor.. Then presumably clean the bath before using it! Everyone else would have to step over them or kick them out of the way when they were using the bathroom. I think one of the guys was probably cleaning the bathroom, picked up the clothes which were lying on the floor and brought them through for the owner to claim them. They then noticed the panties were soiled and were grossed out, understandably, and started to have a carry-on about it.

I don't blame everyone for making a fuss about it. At least they did it in a light-hearted way.

People have been moaning the whole time about her leaving her clothes all over the floor. If you're sharing a house you don't leave your dirty knickers where other people can see them. I share a house with my partner, and I wouldn't dream of leaving soiled knickers for him to see. Ugh!”

The men did, the women sat on the bed however did not, they came out with some vile comments there, I was disgusted at them.

Sasparella

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by Steve9214:
“If John has not lived communally with any women, why would he have seen soiled female underwear ?

I have been with my wife over 30 years and still get revolted when she leaves soiled underwear laying on the bedroom floor. A gay man who has never come across this behaviour before might easily over-react”

I wasn't keen on John's behaviour there, but then I thought the same as you, and I don't think any of the boys were trying to be malicious, however, the 3 harpies on the bed with their vile comments were disgusting !

OldIrishTERF

24-01-2016

All 3 "men" are responsible and the two women who took their side and humiliated that child need an effing slap.

Sasparella

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“The point is that everyone made a fuss about it - not just one person - and they were quite within their rights to do so.

Stephanie turned it into a bullying issue to shift the focus away from her revolting personal hygiene issue. Very manipulative.

Then Tiffany manipulated Stephanie into saying that John was responsible, and went straight to John to tell him that. Also very manipulative and divisive.

I cannot understand these people who are buying into Tiffany's account of things. She who accused Angie of deliberately misleading her into thinking that David Gest had died.. She hasn't a clue what's going on most of the time.”

Ok you don't call that bullying, what about when Steph was stood by the chair in the bedroom and Gemma barged her out of her way and called her a prick ? Would you call that bullying ?

Heartache

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“The men did, the women sat on the bed however did not, they came out with some vile comments there, I was disgusted at them.”

I wonder how the other women would have felt if it had have been their dirty knickers on parade.

acid rain

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by jobielad:
“I read somewhere tonight (Think it was Tellymix) that the guys had collected items to wash. It may be that the men were fed up of seeing stuff all over the place and Danielle and Megan's reaction to it as they have been irate about it to say the least so they perhaps decided just to collect everyones clothes and do the biz.

Against most of this forums opinions I think I may well have reacted like the men did. Darren uttered ugh or something and Christopher ran away. I think he actually made the same comment. I think too I would have been tempted to name and shame. Does that make me a bad person or a villain - you decide.

I do know if it had been my own child I would have gone ballistic about her leaving discharge stained knickers on the floor in the first place. In a plastic bag (if no washing machine) and certainly not on my floors.

When I was young if I left my clothes (not knickers) lying around the place my mother used to sling them out of the window into the rain sometimes to teach me a lesson so guess i was brought up with standards which have stayed with me. My own mother "shamed" me in a different sort of way. Was she a bully? Again, you decide ”

What do you think would happen to your floors? It may be a bit gross/slovenly but I can assure you, you won't get the lurgies. lol

And yes your mother did sound a bit of a bully to tell you the truth. She certainly overreacted.

Paace

24-01-2016

Originally Posted by OldIrishTERF:
“All 3 "men" are responsible and the two women who took their side and humiliated that child need an effing slap.”

I didn't see any child . Are you sure you're in the right forum ?

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