Hahahahahahanahahahahahahahahaha!
This is like John sitting last night saying he will not either confirm or deny, but then 5 seconds later saying it wasn't him.

But it was and we all saw and heard it, everyone saw him do the screaming! pronouncing it pigeon shit, saying we should name and shame and then going into the bedroom to discuss with gemma, danni and Megan, we all saw Chris and Darren NOT doing anything of those things, we'll all of us apart from these 3^^^

I can't see them all getting the washboard out and doing their own stuff like regular BB. I wonder if they send out the laundry on certain days-that would explain why they were "sorting"it in the first place-whites, colours, etc. The initial eurgh reaction was fine as a response to finding anyone's dirty underwear in with tops and sweatpants but the witch hunt that followed was unpleasant, the only ones who come out of it looking mature are Jeremy and Tiffany.
I'm glad Tiffany called John out on it in the bathroom, I know she did it for her own reasons but it was good for him to know she's onto him.
Bodies are messy things, this juvenile squeamishness about vaginas is wearing thin. Those of us who have them know this can happen to anyone. No, most of us wouldn't leave them lying around or in a communal laundry basket but public humiliation on this scale is totally ott.

He did a LOT more than anyone else did. A lot
I've seen quiet a few blatantly untrue statements from you on this thread.
I am mystified why people lie on this forum, we are all seeing the same facts.
One may have "an opinion" about appropriateness or intentions, but we all saw and heard John doing and saying a lot more about the issue, this is fact not opinion.

Obviously, if someone does something wrong like leaving their soiled underwear where other people do their hygiene in the bathroom then clearly they must be protected and never held to account even though they have done it multiple times and been asked to stop.

The men acted spontaneously without thinking, I don't think it was intended malice, and maybe it was the shock of finding them. Stephanie takes laziness to a whole new level by leaving them lying around, but she probably has a mother who never made her pick her clothes off the floor.

If you don't want people to see them, put them away, or wash them straight away. At least the boys were prepared to do the washing, personally I would wash my own knickers out every day, in that situation. The girls should not have joined in.

What a revolting spectacle, and I'm not talking about the knickers.

I can understand the men going "eww" among themselves but John's "name and shame" and then running with glee to tell the three bitches was just revolting. He was one of the few I actually liked until he did that, but he can go swivel now. Christopher at least quickly realised what was happening was wrong, but it was too late then.

And of course slimy, oily, simpering bumlicker Darren will duck out of his part in it as usual.

I don't expect any better from Gemma, Danniella and Megan tbh.

And as for little mini-Gemma Tiffany, stirring and manipulating to exonerate Gemma from everything and pursue her vendetta against John, well, what a ridiculous woman.

It's fine having a go at Stephanie for her obvious slovenliness, but not a juvenile public humiliation from a bunch of toadies who are all convinced their shit doesn't stink.

And anyway, Jeremy would have scrubbed that gusset soon enough.

The only HM to emerge from that disgraceful episode with any degree of integrity was Jeremy. I can't say I am a fan of his but he showed a level of maturity well beyond that of the other "men". He is the only person making any attempt to consistently look out for Steph where Daniella and the large brassy one are concerned. (Tiffany does when it suits her!)
Looking at the ACAS guidelines, I would certainly identify those two as bullies - Danielle and Megan reacted in typical fashion by joining in with Gemma's bullying in order to stay under her radar.

>shouting at "staff"
> persistently picking on "staff" in front of others, or in private
> regularly making the same person the butt of jokes
>different rules for different people
>criticism and threats
>excessive monitoring

Gemma would not last 2 minutes in that house if they all turned against her in the same way they have treated Stephanie. I don't think that she should have been accepted in to the house as I really don't believe that she has the emotional capacity / maturity to deal with it. Daniella and Gemma know this and are trying to break her.

I don't understand how it can be said that Christopher was to blame for leaving them on display when it was Christopher who reached across to them and said that they need to get rid of them,..but who was then prevented from doing so by John who said no they have to leave them to name and shame.

I agree that Gemma is circling Steph constantly but Steph has shown she is able for her. I dont think Daniella is a malicious person naturally, I think Iago Essex has poisoned her mind and wound her up about Steph every chance she gets and Dani isn't bright enough to see it. She is Gemma's henchman now and I'm sure she will be horrified at herself when she looks back on the footage.

Yes he did, to his credit.

Only Jeremy seems to come out of this with any credit - for actually taking the said garment and dealing with it, rather than poncing around like the rest.

Stephanie should've been more responsible in where she kept her mucky clothes, and after a week or so of constant comments about her lack of hygiene, I can see why some thought it needed 'naming and shaming' - though putting the clothes spread out on the table was way OTT. I bet she takes a bit more care for the rest of her time in there after that!

The three boys acted like silly schoolboys, John pushed it too far really, but he was right in defending himself against Tiffany, regarding the way she exonerated Chris and Darren, and put it all on just John - all three took it too far. The pigeon stuff was unpleasant, they could've still said that, but without leaving everything out on show.

Gemma, Dan and Megan were all vile talking about it though, with Dan the worst, with the comment about Jeremy using it as dental floss - even Gemma didn't look happy at her saying that (though Megan lapped it up).

As for Tiffany - she didn't give a stuff about Steph, she just saw it as another opportunity to crucify John, while apparently being completely oblivious to what her puppetmaster Gemma was upto. It's amazing how she's already forgotten how Gemma treated her the other week, by stealing back the shoes she'd given her!

Stephanie needs to stop with the bullying comments though (even if there it does sometimes look like she has a point when GemDan are ganging up on her, like in the garden discussion at the end last night).

Scotty seemed to be completely removed from all of this drama, which given his previous show reputation, you may have thought he'd have been at the centre of the schoolboy stuff, rather than the three old blokes...

The only person to blame here is Stephanie for leaving them lying around (apparently for a week) for anyone to pick up and see. She must have been aware they were 'female' soiled and should have dealt with them herself - would have taken minutes & none of this embarrassing episode would have ever happened.

It was Chris who first handled them & laid them out in full view of the other two & all three chorused at the same time. To be perfectly honest anyone, male or female, could be forgiven for yelling an automatic 'EEWWW' if they were that bad!

No, she isn't the only person to blame. Regardless of her contribution to the whole sorry mess, it's not right to humiliate someone publicly in that way especially when it wasn't one on one. An old cliche, but two wrongs don't make a right.

She has been a right royal pain in the butt, but imo, still not as bad as Gemma with her constant whining and refusal to do tasks.