It would be nice if she fried up Gemma with John but that may be a bit much to wish for

They almost all had a part in it including Steph herself. First for leaving her dirty undies lying around in the first place instead of having created a place in her drawer or locker for her laundry like any respectable person would do. And second for her delayed response to being anguished.

As for John being an instigator and controller. Thsi member of the jury is still out on that. He may be, but I don't have enough evidence.

That was taken out of context.

In fact that whole conversation, which went on for the vast majority of live feed, was edited to <insert rude word>

It was indeed taken out of context. In the live feed version it was often quite amicable and even border line flirty at times. Certainly Tiff had a twinkle in her eye on more than one occassion ( as did John) and there was a point where she was trying not to laugh. I did wonder if she was corpsing?

Makes you realise how live feed changes our perception of certain situations, after watching the HL show, which paints those same situations in an entirely different light.

She asked if he was the one that put them on the table, he said no, because he didn't, Christopher did, so he wasn't lying.

Actually that is a very good point. I think everything about how John reacted and what he said was about trying to deflect and reduce the impact of what Tiff was saying.

To me it seemed more like he was just playing with her, he knows Gemma has been badmouthing him to Tiffany and he couldn't be arsed to get into a fight with her, so just decided to play along with her rubbish.

What rubbish? Did he not tell Chris not to hide the knickers? Did he not bring them to the House's attention smirking and laughing? Did he not say 'name and shame'? Did he not say that he would never humiliate a young girl?

I have absolutely no doubt having watched live feed the night of the Daley and Hazel incident. I am now very sceptical about the action I see on HL shows.