Her s**t stirring was very Gemma like tonight and it's put me right off her.

First she was in the diary room going on about John, then when Stephanie said it was Chris, Darren and John involved in the knicker stuff, Tiffany was making sure that John was the only person Stephanie should be blaming. Then finally there was all of that stuff in the bathroom.

All of this hanging around with Gemma has had a negative affect on her.

Are you sure it wasn't John-like?

It seems to me she addressed the situation directly with him. That's not stirring, IMO.

Of course she was stirring. She wasn't even around when all of that stuff with the knickers was going on and when Stephanie said it was Chris, Darren and John involved, Tiffany wouldn't have it that the other 2 were partly responsible, it was all John in Tiffany's eyes.

And was Tiffany correct that it was John. Unbelievable.

No she knew what she was doing. The way she tried to convince Steph it was John who put the knickers on the table (it was Chris).

She has heard Johns boos and like Gemma is trying to appeal to the crowd.

She is very much like Gemma in manipulation.

John was the one who went and broadcast their find to the whole house., ensuring it became a topic of conversation for everyone. This is what probably gave tiffany the impression that john was responsible for the whole thing.

Tiffany's heard the boo's for John and knows it's a safe bet to be all anti John and blame him for everything...

...maybe.

Either that, or she's witnessed the way he's done things since coming in the house. Lighting fires and then scurrying out of the way, unnoticed.

I thought exactly the same but unfort7unately the sun shines out of her a*se for some on here so she couldn't possibly be in the wrong. Who made Tiff the investigator in any case?

He did not put them on the table.

B Gemma got bigger boos and get Gemma out chants so I'm not sure this is about the boos as John had a mixture with cheers.
I think Gemma just tells Tiffany things about John and she's listened to it.

Totally agree jean, she has chosen to have a go at John as she heard the crowds boo, same as Gemma did to him as well.

Notice she never went to the other 2.

She has upped her game.

Not in the way she put it, no. She was making out it was ONLY John involved. How could you not see that ?

If people refuse to see that she was trying to turn Stephanie on John there then they are just being bias.

Gemma has done what Tiffany did tonight and people have ripped her to pieces on here. At least be consistent with your criticisms.

No you are absolutely right.

Having already made up her mind that he was the guilty party and having eliminated the other two culprits despite Steph having told her all three of them were involved.

But no matter it was a brillaint conversation to watch and I am not sure it wasn't slightly tongue in cheek on her part. She had quite a twinkle in her eyes on several occassions. I think Tiff is brilliant. Even when she is wrong she is brilliant.

Gemma got more boos and get Gemma out chants.
It's more likely Gemma talks about John to Tiffany and then also Megan she listens to what they tell her. If it was about the boos she'd be turning on Gemma hers were the worst.

They only showed part of that convo which made Tiff look bad, but in LF of last night, Tiff accepted that John wasn't lying to her, so it all ended on a good note. You don't want to believe what the H/Ls show, as they love to edit heavily when the truth is too hard for them to accept.

To be fair I did not see the LF, but Tiffany was looking to start something with John and that cannot be denied, unfortunately they seem to have edited in badly for her as she did not come across well at all. Wish I had seen the LF now.

Exactly but never let the facts get in the way of cheap digs.

John and Tiff had a good chin wag last night on live feed. The snippet tonight was blink and you'll miss it.

So why doesn't she target Gemma then who got even more boos and chants? Oh wait, because this theory doesn't hold water.

That could be because John has had boo's for the last three evictions, it was a new thing with Gemma. Bit late now for her to turn against Gemma, it would be too obvious.

Tiffany did of course. And she did it properly. She reached her conclusion and then carried out an investigation.

She also said this to John " I asked Steph earlier who she though was responsible. And do you know what she said Johnny? She said you"

Well yes she did Tiff but only when you had asked her three times and then led your witness.

Tiff only accused John because she Thought it was him. Overall it was a good convo, setting things straight between them, and as Tiff admitted she was alone, then she has an ally in John. Wish she'd keep away from Gemma, as she's very bad news. The way she(Tiff) sat on that bench looking so forlorn made me want to go and tell her that someone is there for her. I think she's taking this show too much to heart when she should just forget it. John would be the only one to help her, as I don't think the others care about her at all.

Her little speech in the DR was prior to the eviction. She'd already made her mind up to target John. I'm guessing that she'll have to process the 'get Gemma out chants' before she formulates a plan.

I actually think she's giving Gemma enough rope and lulling her into a false sense of security before she goes off big time. I think she thinks it's a bit of a gamble but after the boos last night she just might give it a go.