Yes John did act like a 12 year old, and I say that even though I like him. Like a 12 year old though I don't feel he did it with malice really, he was just acting like a prat, like the other two, unlike the 3 harridans on the bed that came up with all those vile comments.

Yes she did, and apparently it's a habit of hers.

"Name and shame" is pretty malicious

I never said you referred to all gay men.
You seem to suggest with your earlier post that the gay men in this instance (i.e. John and Chris) reacted the way they did because they were disgusted with the workings of a vagina. I was pointing out that my reaction would have been the same as theirs if I handled soiled underwear so that was unfair.

He totally acted like a prat, but I think I would've been similarly disgusted seeing someone else's discharge on their underwear because they left it lying around. I wouldn't have done what he did, obviously, though.

No one involved came out of this situation looking well, really, Steph included.

John said that he and Darren picked them up from the wash pile in the bathroom and brought them into the living area, along with all the other dirty laundry. Nothing was left lying around. The big issue seems to be that they had discharge in them, therefore they were extra-unhygienic according to some people, and therefore they should have been washed immediately or secreted (pardon the pun) in an air-tight bag where nobody could find them.

Agreed.

I understand what you mean and agree, but I also get wanting to know who is- rather revoltingly- leaving their dirty knickers lying around. It all could've been handled better though- not being put on the table for public display for one.

Well what exactly WERE THEY so disgusted at then if it wasn't the secretions on her underwear? and I,m referring to all 3 - that they felt the need to publicly humiliate the girl on national TV . Nasty, cruel, bullying behaviour would disgust me far more than some silly wee girl's dirty knickers. I would expect that any normal adult would feel the same.

I think it was Chris who picked them up - John wasn't sure in the bedroom which bathroom they came from so it wasn't him.

I don't think they were in a wash basket either, Danniella said they had been lying there for a week.

It was Chris and Darren that picked the laundry basket up and brought it in I thought ? Chris emptied it onto the table.

They were sorting through the dirty laundry, probably separating colours or something. Why does everybody keep suggesting that they were lying around, as though she took her knickers off, saw the discharge and placed them on the table herself?

Whatever the case, they weren't "lying around". They were left with all the other laundry and somebody other than Stephanie put them on the table.

This episode was so uncomfortable to watch, thank goodness she had him there trying to make light of it and make her feel better about herself, imagine how she's have felt otherwise with practically the whole house laughing at her expense (bar Tiffany, and Scotty T I think). She must have been mortified. No it's not pleasant to leave dirty things lying around but for them to be paraded around to humiliate someone is awful. I've been a Jeremy fan from day one and I'd love to see him in the final

I would imagine that most normal adults would prefer not to handle someone's soiled underwear but I'm not going to argue about it.

Why on earth did they even need to lay the washing out like they did on the table. Someone suggested on an earlier thread that the boys were rota'd (sp) for the washing. Why even sort it like that. It's normally 2 piles... Darks, lights? Why the big performance?

My opinion, yes it was stupid of her to leave them in a mixed wash. But she didn't deserve that.

Okay, I forgot that bit. I stand corrected.
So one second Gemma says it's normal to discharge, but then after examining the contents of Steph's knickers decides the discharge isn't up to her very high standards and then joins in with the mocking and the jeering?

Isn't John supposed to be a carer for his mother?
I wonder how much caring he actually does because I cared for my dear old Grandmother who had severe Alzheimer's and seeing slight discharge in her underwear was not at the top of the released bodily fluids chart.

What I'm trying to say that he should have shown more tact in the way he reacted.

But then again, maybe he's just a massive, stirring shithouse.

Stephanie left her knickers with a pile of clothes IN THE BATHROOM waiting to be washed as they all do.

Agree. I like the way you think OldIrish. I also agree with blahblah57 about Jeremy. I was well impressed with him in comparison to the other blokes.

Absolutely ......except as a wife and Mother I do it every day and like a lot of posters I instilled into my family that it should be put in their Laundry basket and not left lying around. To do what Steph does is disrespectful, selfish and unhygienic and if I were in there it would drive me to distraction too BUT the answer to it is not to publically humiliate, isolate and laugh uproariously at their discomfort and embarrassment on national TV.

When people as a group pick on a single individual with no other motive but to "out" and humiliate them, I feel that is bullying and each HM should look to themselves and their motives for doing it and allowing it. However the worst culprit is BB who saw what was happening and allowed it to continue purely for ratings.

Whilst I agree with you absolutely regarding your bib above, I don't agree that it's BB's job to curtail the housemates behaviour unless absolutely necessary. The show is about watching interaction, how people are with each other, etc. and we have seen some extremes of behaviour (not just this series but over the years).

What we saw in last nights show is fairly common, in one way or another, on Big Brother when groups are formed, it's what the show is all about. If BB were to interfere every time there was an incident where one housemate or another might feel uncomfortable they would have interfered when the house were talking about shunning Tiffany, but they don't as this is what the show is all about.

All one hopes is that somebody will stand up, show a bit of moxie, some individuality, and tell them all off for what they are doing, but what we do end up with is most people joining in and disappointingly drumming to the same beat (except for Jeremy).

Even Tiffany, who wasn't even around when it was going on, chose to only confront one person, rather than stand in front of the whole house and tell them what her thoughts were. For all her purported defending of Stephanie, she chose not to publicly stand up for her, but instead to make a show of one single person.

They were tidying up and sorting through the dirty laundry left around the house . I think it was to allocate it to their owners.

There were nobody else's kecks in the pile

I don't agree.