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Old 24-01-2016, 11:17
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Do any of them have any redeeming features!
When did they get so horrible?
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Old 24-01-2016, 11:41
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Ian...yes
Phil...no. He is completley beyond any redemption. I'd happily see His liver pack up and him to die or to be murdered by his entire family with Ben and Paul (unless another and better gay character comes in have sex infront of him XD
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Old 24-01-2016, 11:49
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Ian...yes
Phil...no. He is completley beyond any redemption. I'd happily see His liver pack up and him to die or to be murdered by his entire family with Ben and Paul (unless another and better gay character comes in have sex infront of him XD
Why Ian and not Phil?
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Old 24-01-2016, 11:53
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Both are beyond redemption. Truly evil people.
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Old 24-01-2016, 12:13
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IMO they've both been too judgemental of their children (apart from Bobby) and the damage is already done. They are also the sort of people who try to solve a problem by throwing money at it.
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Also they are bad examples, but this doesn't stop them preaching and looking down on others.

We always see Ian as being better than Phil, but I'm not sure he is. I'd say he's more of a coward, but that doesn't stop him hurting others in a sneakier way. Hence them being labelled as the weasel and the bully. I can't see me ever having any respect for either of them.
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Old 24-01-2016, 12:14
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Neither are perfect.
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Old 24-01-2016, 12:17
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Honestly, my answer would be no. Ian and Phil are the head of their families but they haven't been good role models. All I can say is that they're lucky to have Kathy, Jane, Sharon and Ronnie.
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Old 24-01-2016, 12:28
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Interesting question. Both are vile people who have done truly awful things. But when Phil first came into the show he was regarded as the nice Mitchell brother. He had moments where you can see that he genuinely cares for people even if he does go completely the wrong way about things. Phil is trying to live up to the way his dad wanted him to be - and is now inflicting that same scenario on his son Ben. Phil doesn't apologise for who he is but justifies his actions (however wrong they are). I would say there is an opportunity for Phil to realise the error of his ways and come good. However ee seem to like keeping him as a villain of sorts so that's probably not going to happen.

Ian on the other has always been underhand in the way he deals with people. He resorts to playing mind games, using tricks, contracts, bribery, blackmail - whatever he can without using actual violence. He has always been ruthless and doesn't care who he walks over. Just because he doesn't use his fists does not make him any better than Phil. and as his childhood was actually quite good and he had a good strong family behind him it is even more repulsive that he is the way he is.
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Old 24-01-2016, 13:58
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Why Ian and not Phil?
Ian is not a bigot. He is fine with Ben. He may not lf been happy about Steven but he got over it.
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Old 24-01-2016, 14:39
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We always see Ian as being better than Phil, but I'm not sure he is. I'd say he's more of a coward, but that doesn't stop him hurting others in a sneakier way. Hence them being labelled as the weasel and the bully. I can't see me ever having any respect for either of them.
No , Phil is the better one because at least he knows he sucks . If you asked Ian , he'd tell you what a great father he has been .
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Old 24-01-2016, 14:43
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I think Herod and Genghis Khan were better heads of family.
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Old 24-01-2016, 15:48
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I think Herod and Genghis Khan were better heads of family.
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Old 24-01-2016, 18:40
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I would say Phil is worse than Ian, morally. Although he has done some pretty bad things Ian does have a conscious. Jane was the real mastermind behind covering up Lucy's murder, Ian only found out a year later and went along with it as he didn't feel he had a choice. And keeping Bobby's killer secret took its toll on him so badly that he attempted suicide. Ian didn't set Max up and hoped he would get off whereas Phil did set him up by paying the jury to find him guilty. And when Ian found out about Ben killing Heather it drove him to suffer a nervous breakdown whereas Phil was unfazed by covering up a murder. Also when Ian discovered that Ben had lied about Phil murdering Stella he went straight to the police to inform them in order for Phil to be released, I cant imagine Phil doing that.
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Old 24-01-2016, 18:55
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No , Phil is the better one because at least he knows he sucks . If you asked Ian , he'd tell you what a great father he has been .
He has been alot better then Phil. By no means has he been great but he is a way better league then Phil.
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Old 24-01-2016, 19:06
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I would say Phil is worse than Ian, morally. Although he has done some pretty bad things Ian does have a conscious. Jane was the real mastermind behind covering up Lucy's murder, Ian only found out a year later and went along with it as he didn't feel he had a choice. And keeping Bobby's killer secret took its toll on him so badly that he attempted suicide. Ian didn't set Max up and hoped he would get off whereas Phil did set him up by paying the jury to find him guilty. And when Ian found out about Ben killing Heather it drove him to suffer a nervous breakdown whereas Phil was unfazed by covering up a murder. Also when Ian discovered that Ben had lied about Phil murdering Stella he went straight to the police to inform them in order for Phil to be released, I cant imagine Phil doing that.
Ian set up Wicksy as a thief at the Queen vic when he found out he was sleeping with Cindy. He then gave him a job and tried to frame him for theft there too. He then tampered with the brakes on wicksy's vehicle to try and kill him. He treated everyone around him with contempt and disdain. He lied to melanie about his daughter having cancer so that she would Marry him. He only married laura for her money when he became bankrupt. he sleeps with prostitutes. He told laura they would have a baby but then had a secret vasectomy. He then proceeded to con laura into signing over all the businesses to him before throwing her out with nothing and denied that Bobby was his. Ian encourages Lucy to have an abortion and lies to Jane that she had a miscarriage. He has an affair with Glenda Mitchell. After his breakdown he is found and taken in by the Brannings - yes, that's right, Max gave him a place to stay and helped him get back on his feet. Ian repays max for this by setting him up for the attempted murder of Phil and Carl. Ian tricks Lucy into signing over all the businesses to him that she successfully kept going in his absence. Ian allows max (again, the guy that helped him out when he had nothing) to be arrested, prosecuted and sentenced for the murder of Lucy. He blackmails and bribes numerous other people to also keep the secret. Plus loads of other devious and underhand behaviour, but you get the picture.

Yeah, the guy really does have a conscience doesn't he?
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Old 24-01-2016, 23:54
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Ian may be a squealing weasel at times but he has a far better far better track record than the Philth and does have some sort of moral compass.

Beale is redeemable once the role of The Bloodbath is finally revealed to the authorities.

I have not got the rest of the 21st century to list all of the despicable things that Mitchell has done over the years but as an example just remember poor Lisa.

I really don't care if King Weeble's liver explodes next week - I will be thinking of all the lives he has destroyed including his own family and his various partners.

Oh and an innocent man is still rotting in jail.
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Old 13-02-2016, 10:42
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Interesting question. Both are vile people who have done truly awful things. But when Phil first came into the show he was regarded as the nice Mitchell brother. He had moments where you can see that he genuinely cares for people even if he does go completely the wrong way about things. Phil is trying to live up to the way his dad wanted him to be - and is now inflicting that same scenario on his son Ben. Phil doesn't apologise for who he is but justifies his actions (however wrong they are). I would say there is an opportunity for Phil to realise the error of his ways and come good. However ee seem to like keeping him as a villain of sorts so that's probably not going to happen.

Ian on the other has always been underhand in the way he deals with people. He resorts to playing mind games, using tricks, contracts, bribery, blackmail - whatever he can without using actual violence. He has always been ruthless and doesn't care who he walks over. Just because he doesn't use his fists does not make him any better than Phil. and as his childhood was actually quite good and he had a good strong family behind him it is even more repulsive that he is the way he is.
True but they have all left and died at some point.
He still hasn't changed despite Kathy Sullivans appearance.
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Old 13-02-2016, 11:26
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Can imagine Phil trying to give father advice to Ben would be hilarious ! If Abi is preggies he's going to be a grandad... Who knows it could be the thing which turns him around??
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Old 13-02-2016, 11:39
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Ian set up Wicksy as a thief at the Queen vic when he found out he was sleeping with Cindy. He then gave him a job and tried to frame him for theft there too. He then tampered with the brakes on wicksy's vehicle to try and kill him. He treated everyone around him with contempt and disdain. He lied to melanie about his daughter having cancer so that she would Marry him. He only married laura for her money when he became bankrupt. he sleeps with prostitutes. He told laura they would have a baby but then had a secret vasectomy. He then proceeded to con laura into signing over all the businesses to him before throwing her out with nothing and denied that Bobby was his. Ian encourages Lucy to have an abortion and lies to Jane that she had a miscarriage. He has an affair with Glenda Mitchell. After his breakdown he is found and taken in by the Brannings - yes, that's right, Max gave him a place to stay and helped him get back on his feet. Ian repays max for this by setting him up for the attempted murder of Phil and Carl. Ian tricks Lucy into signing over all the businesses to him that she successfully kept going in his absence. Ian allows max (again, the guy that helped him out when he had nothing) to be arrested, prosecuted and sentenced for the murder of Lucy. He blackmails and bribes numerous other people to also keep the secret. Plus loads of other devious and underhand behaviour, but you get the picture.

Yeah, the guy really does have a conscience doesn't he?
A very one sided post only detailing half the facts.

Ian setting up Wicksy for theft - a knee jerk reaction to finding out his brother has been having an affair with his wife and fathered the baby he'd spent a year believing was his own. He also attempted suicide around the time he tampered with the breaks he was obviously suffering from a breakdown and not in the right frame of mind.

Lying to Mel about Lucy's cancer was another knee jerk reaction to discovering Mel had cheated on him. And all the business with Laura let's not forget she was no innocent victim either and also cheated on him. All the affairs Cindy's had and her attempt on his life really messed Ian up and left him very bitter and mistrusting of women. That doesn't make him evil just very flawed.

Supporting Lucy when she decided to have an abortion was one example of Ian not being selfish - he was genuinely looking out for his daughters best interests. Jane was the one being selfish pressuring Lucy to keep the baby driven by her own desire to have a child.

As for taking control of his businesses back from Lucy. What did he do wrong there? They were his businesses that Lucy gained by underhand means by manipulating him when he was vulnerable under the pretence of helping him out. She then refused to relinquish control once he had recovered - she was the one in the wrong there.

His affair with Glenda was an inmidate response to discovering Jane's affair with Masood.

Ian has treated Max badly but Max has been no saint where Ian is concerned either. In 2009 Max tried to rip Ian off and financially ruin him, and also took advantage of his vulnerable daughter who was half his age. Ian's never set out to hurt Max he's just been swept up in situations caused by other people and been too spineless to do the right thing.

I'm not saying he's perfect far from it. He's a very flawed individual who has done some awful things and made some appalling decisions. But everything he's done there has been a reason behind it that's what makes him such a well written character - because we've watched him since day one we can see exactly why he is the way he is.
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Old 13-02-2016, 11:49
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The Beales and the Mitchells have both got the heads of family they deserve in Ian and Phil so yes they are good heads of family for them.
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Old 21-02-2016, 18:54
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Can imagine Phil trying to give father advice to Ben would be hilarious ! If Abi is preggies he's going to be a grandad... Who knows it could be the thing which turns him around??
Lexi Pearce did briefly.
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