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The Ratings Thread (Part 67)
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Servalan
28-01-2016
Originally Posted by northlad:
“Wonder if Klein will be next,certainly made some worthy programmes,but not captured a mass audience in factual.Sounds like Kevin Lygo already making changes.”

ITV need someone with a vision who can revitalise the channel and find it some new hits that it desperately needs. There's been too much reliance on TXF/BGT for too long and while BGT is probably versatile enough to survive, it's hard to see how TXF is going to claw back the ground it's lost, especially in the wider context of singing talent shows apparently diminishing in popularity worldwide.

I'd've thought Steve November would also be vulnerable, unless the rushes for Victoria are so good that he can convince Lygo to keep him on. ITV's last massive bona fide drama successes (DA, BC) were commissioned by his predecessor …
Chris1964
28-01-2016
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“BBC 2 have confirmed that last nights Great British Railway Journeys was pulled late on for 'editorial' reasons without specifying what they were.

But the pulled episode is being screened tonight at 6.30 instead.

And because these are the last 3 episodes of the UK run (Great American Railroad Journeys starts same slot on Monday) they are showing what was set to be tonight's episode and then Fridays in a double bill tomorrow - 6.30 to 7.30.

I think the 24 hour postponement rather than pulling the episode from this run entirely suggests that someone did only notice very late in the day that they were including an item last night on crematoria in a programme that would be directly leading into a solemn programme about the holocaust.

Perhaps they are not explaining the reason too clearly in the hopes that no media source will use the unfortunate scheduling error as a weapon against the BBC as someone would (Daily Mail for instance) even though they have clearly acted correctly in postponing as they did.

In any case does a scheduler view everything up front or know its content before scheduling?

The Millie Dowler link would have been sudden and unavoidable but just being at the same railway station (surely Michael Portillo would not refer to her on this kind of programme anyway) seems too tenuous as a reason to drop the episode just for 24 hours to put it out anyway on the day when it is in all the papers so just as big as it was yesterday.

And the reference to crematoria featuring in the episode is there in Radio Times description for last night so that unfortunate link with the programme following was public knowledge to anyone who made a connection that the schedulers presumably had not.

So perhaps someone, somewhere just rightly pointed up the insensitivity to the BBC at the last minute and they acted wisely.

For ratings purposes the altered Friday BBC 2 schedule now sees a repeat of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip 7 - 8 pm pulled and a 30 minute Grand Tours of the Scottish Islands episode on after the railway journeys double bill from 7.30 to 8 pm.”

Thanks for this. The programme in general is about as inoffensive as it is possible to be (unless you have a particular concern regarding Michael Portillos dress sense) so it must have been an item subject deemed insensitive in relation to the very sad events brought back into public awareness yesterday.
marke09
28-01-2016
reading week 7 PI on BBC website and in The Voice that week is a sitcom star and a singer who had a hit in 1980

Spoiler
Mike berry or Mr Spooner in Are You Being served?
Andy23
28-01-2016
Lots of surprising ratings this week.

Firstly that Sugar Free Farm did well, secondly that Celebrity Bake Off didn't do well.

Maybe too many celeb spin offs for charity, or too many bake off style spin offs in general? The Beeb milking a successful format particularly on BBC Two.
Pizzatheaction
28-01-2016
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“From first glance all the numbers seem like full slot averages from what I can gather by comparing some of the recent data. Not none the less, very useful.”

Do you collect full-slot averages as well as time-checked figures?

If not, it might be wise to go back to the start of the year and collect all the full-slot averages, just in case we never get a regular source of time-checked ratings again. I realise it'll make year-on-year comparisons difficult this year, but at least you'd be able to do year-on-year comparisons again next year.

It's going to be very difficult to find time-checked figures a few times a week without DS.
LHolmes
28-01-2016
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“Lots of surprising ratings this week.

Firstly that Sugar Free Farm did well, secondly that Celebrity Bake Off didn't do well.

Maybe too many celeb spin offs for charity, or too many bake off style spin offs in general? The Beeb milking a successful format particularly on BBC Two.”

Or the fact it wasn't on at the usual time and started thirty minutes into Midsomer Murders.

It will obviously rise next week but I don't think 4.6m is bad for a short-run self-contained spin-off that doesn't take much putting together. If it were getting 4.5m every episode they would probably be happy and it obviously has no bearing on the main series which will return with its usual 8m+ later this year.
Jonwo
28-01-2016
I wonder if ITV is keeping an eye on how Grease Live does for FOX as I suspect they're planning to do their own version with Paramount Television if it turns out to be a hit. It'll be interesting how it does for ITV2
H of De Vil
28-01-2016
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“I wonder if ITV is keeping an eye on how Grease Live does for FOX as I suspect they're planning to do their own version with Paramount Television if it turns out to be a hit. It'll be interesting how it does for ITV2”

Yes, it is quite telling that they a bradcasting this since The Sound Of Music. Does it siggest they are interested in doing another? It might not have got massive ratings (4.8m over 2hrs 30min) but it certainly got a postive responce.
Jaycee Dove
28-01-2016
Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“Thanks for this. The programme in general is about as inoffensive as it is possible to be (unless you have a particular concern regarding Michael Portillos dress sense) so it must have been an item subject deemed insensitive in relation to the very sad events brought back into public awareness yesterday.”

Indeed, it had to be the holocaust memorial, after seeing the episode tonight. It was quite heavy on the crematorium aspect and that would have been insensitive leading right into the ceremony at 7 pm. But it cannot have been Millie Dowler, unless something was edited out, as not even Sherlock would have connected that story with this episode just by watching.
Roscoe Barnes
28-01-2016
Originally Posted by Score:
“6.6m for Emmerdale and 7.6m for Corrie with +1. Not tapechecked but not sure if they needed it.”

Emmerdale required a tape-checking adjustment - but when it sits next to Corrie its normally very minor by either 0.1-0.2m or sometimes the tape-checked rating and full slot rating can be the same (as we saw on Monday, as 6.5m was the identical rating to 1 d.p in both instances).

Corrie ran 19.32-19.58 so no adjustment was required. Last year it did the same too so can compare this one y-o-y - making it down 0.5m from the 7.8m it averaged exc +1 (versus 7.3m exc +1 for last night).

Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Do you collect full-slot averages as well as time-checked figures?

If not, it might be wise to go back to the start of the year and collect all the full-slot averages, just in case we never get a regular source of time-checked ratings again. I realise it'll make year-on-year comparisons difficult this year, but at least you'd be able to do year-on-year comparisons again next year.

It's going to be very difficult to find time-checked figures a few times a week without DS.”

From last year I started recording all the tape-checked ratings as full-slot ratings exc +1 were difficult to come by - but with no DS articles now, as you say might be easier to switch back to full slot averages.
Salv*
29-01-2016
If anyone wanted to know, CBB got 2.5m (11.3%) last night. I contacted the person who posts ratings on Broadcast.
dillan
29-01-2016
I was expecting 10,000 BC to be well under 500k after the premiere rating so staying around 600k isn't too bad I guess. It's probably dirt cheap to make and produce for C5 (just guessing ofc).
Salv*
29-01-2016
Originally Posted by dillan:
“I was expecting 10,000 BC to be well under 500k after the premiere rating so staying around 600k isn't too bad I guess. It's probably dirt cheap to make and produce for C5 (just guessing ofc).”

It's not great, with the best lead in possible. It's like half of the average for the slot. It's like a drama after Bake Off (highest rated show of the channel) getting half of the slot average... probably would be around 2m. That'd be seen as a flop after Bake Off.

I enjoy 10000bc but if it gets around 600k after a 2.5m rated BB, what would it get if it aired outside of BB time, 200k? No matter how cheap it is, i can;t see them keep renewing it and putting it after CBB because IMO sadly it's a waste of a slot of if something can get something ~1m like Gotham.
dillan
29-01-2016
Originally Posted by Salv*:
“It's not great, with the best lead in possible. It's like half of the average for the slot. It's like a drama after Bake Off (highest rated show of the channel) getting half of the slot average... probably would be around 2m. That'd be seen as a flop after Bake Off.

I enjoy 10000bc but if it gets around 600k after a 2.5m rated BB, what would it get if it aired outside of BB time, 200k? No matter how cheap it is, i can;t see them keep renewing it and putting it after CBB because IMO sadly it's a waste of a slot of if something can get something ~1m like Gotham.”

I forgot it has CBB as its lead in. I guess if it keeps these ratings when CBB ends, it could be renewed.
lewiep93
29-01-2016
Overnights.tv ‏@overnightstv 13s14 seconds ago
#WinterWatch warmed cockles of 2.7m /12.6% from 8pm, in spite of absence of poorly @ChrisGPackham. Get well soon! http://www.overnights.tv

Overnights.tv ‏@overnightstv 22s23 seconds ago
#DeathInParadise still showing strong pulse with 6m viewers/28.1%, winning 9pm slot for BBC1 @RedPlanetTV http://www.overnights.tv
Dancc
29-01-2016
Last night's ratings: An eventful episode saw Celebrity Big Brother climb to 2.38m (11.1%) exc. C5+1.
gavin shipman
29-01-2016
Solid Ratings for CBB all week.
gavin shipman
29-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Last night's ratings: An eventful episode saw Celebrity Big Brother climb to 2.38m (11.1%) exc. C5+1.”

I'm guessing another 2.6-2.8m rating which would be excellent.
Oliver_Tomlinso
29-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Last night's ratings: An eventful episode saw Celebrity Big Brother climb to 2.38m (11.1%) exc. C5+1.”

Great ratings, fantastic share!
Dancc
29-01-2016
Last night's ratings: EastEnders pulled in a decent 6.76m (33.5%) at 7:30pm, but only 5.56m (25.6%) returned for the second episode at 8:30pm.
lewiep93
29-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Last night's ratings: EastEnders pulled in a decent 6.76m (33.5%) at 7:30pm, but only 5.56m (25.6%) returned for the second episode at 8:30pm.”

I imagine Birds of a Feather dented that second EE and vice versa.
Dancc
29-01-2016
Last night's ratings: Birds of a Feather's recent momentum was well and truly halted by facing EastEnders, posting 2.64m (12.2%) exc. HD and +1.
lewiep93
29-01-2016
Overnights.tv ‏@overnightstv 48s49 seconds ago
#locationlocationlocation was in the right place at the right time for 2.1m/10% on C4 from 8pm @KirstieMAllsopp http://www.overnights.tv
Dancc
29-01-2016
Others...

Death in Paradise: 6.01m (28.1%)
Celebrity Antiques Road Trip: 1.61m (8.2%)
The Story of China: 1.34m (6.3%)
Location, Location, Location: 1.90m (8.9%)
Restoration Man: 1.40m (6.6%)
First Dates: 1.03m (7.3%)
Ben Fogle's New Lives in the Wild: 0.67m (3.4%)
Britain's Bloody Crown: 0.64m (3.0%)
Traffic Cops: 0.64m (3.0%)

Score
29-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Last night's ratings: Birds of a Feather's recent momentum was well and truly halted by facing EastEnders, posting 2.64m (12.2%) exc. HD and +1.”

Ouch. There's an obvious crossover here as EE was also hit.

It does feel like BBC1 deliberately schedules a few EE episodes up against Birds. They did it last year too and it knocked it a bit. Perhaps some bitterness about it doing well after they passed on it? EE doesn't normally find itself at 8.30pm on a Thursday so it does feel rather deliberate two years in a row.
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