The cast is the oldest there has ever been on the 17 year history of the show.

I just think it's down to the two poor normal series before it, the EU debate, Love Island and warm weather didn't help either.

Hope we get to see it's +1 figure

From C5's summer trailer (here), there's not much in there that will rate. BB looks sure to be under 1m most if not every night from the terrible start it's had. I've seen some of Impractical Jokers UK and it's not a patch on the US version which didn't rate when they tried it on the main channel, so that looks similarly doomed. Meanwhile with it being a comedy, viewers are unlikely to give Borderline a chance in the first place, so it could be excellent and not get watched. It's Not Me It's You has flop written all over it, even if closely mirroring Celebrity Juice (it's even in the same slot). And V Festival could be good if they offer more than the scraps C4 used to offer at teatimes, but of the summer festivals only Glastonbury usually pulls in the viewers.

C4 (exc +1)
George Clarke's Old House, New Home: 1.67m (9.3%)
Cutting Edge: Rich Brother, Poor Brother: 1.31m (6.4%)
Lagos to London: Britain's New Super-Rich: 0.56m (3.6%)

C5 (exc +1)
Big Brother: 1.39m (7.7%)
The Yorkshire Vet: 1.17m (6.5%)
Ben Fogle: New Lives in the Wild UK (Repeat): 0.31m (1.9%)

So excluding Corrie/ BGT, IAC and Football is the highest rating ITV has had at 9pm for a while as Lewis didn't even get that much

Most are glamour, some sort of social media celebs - so far none are relateable. I mean, who actually made it from an audition to in the house, a person who is just 'normal'. Anyway, I'm sure it will hover around the 1mil mark this series.

Love Island: 0.55m (2.7%)
Hollyoaks (E4): 0.48m (3.0%)
Agatha Raisin: 0.39m (1.9%)
Storage Hunters UK (8pm): 0.31m (1.8%)
Revolution and Romance: Musical Masters of the 19th Century: 0.28m (1.4%)
Freddie Fries Again: 0.23m (1.3%)
Blindspot: 0.18m (0.9%)

excluding +1 channels

Exceptional hold against Big Brother


Great rating for Springwatch there, best thing on TV at the moment. The red button feed is infinitely more entertaining than BB!

Love Island holds exceptionally well.

I wonder if both that and BB had a larger than usual +1 figure. This series more than ever needs a live feed ffs.

Thanks Ray. Firstly, great rating for Cutting Edge in a competitive 9pm slot. Sounded an interesting premise, so I'll be sure to catch up on that.

As for C5, when you see that a documentary in which a cow had a caesarean can get as many as 1.2m, and yet they literally chuck money hand over first at BB for it to only do 1.4m, it really does put things into perspective.

I'm not knocking Yorkshire Vet by the way - although I admit I had to look away during that particular segment - it's an incredibly well made programme filmed in one of the most beautiful parts of the country and fully deserves its ratings success. I'm sure it will be back sooner rather than later and probably an extended run of episodes next time, as seems to be the trend at C5 with factual.

That's exactly what I was expecting for BB.

It's not the best rating but I think it will probably average around 1.1m in the overnights and C5 will surely be expecting this after the past few years of how regular BB has gone for them.

At least there's not too much gloating in here this morning. Everyone saw it coming anyway and the serial wind up merchants have either moved on to something else or found themselves banned.

Still, I have no complaints at the rating. Considering big changes were promised, beyond the set changes and obviously the extension to the house, not a lot else changed. And HM selection was overall poor. Fully deserved low rating.

However you had to tune in to begin with to know all that and it doesn't look as though all that many did. So I think BB is essentially dead and it doesn't matter how you approach it. CBB still rates but they need to look after it and it's going to be even trickier to protect CBB if BB is not around, i.e. if it means an extra CBB series each year, and/or longer runs, weaker celebs, etc.

Blimey whats happened to your pro/ positive posts about ch5

How does that compare to last year please

Last year got 1.8m incl +1. This at most will reach 1.6m incl +1.

Allegedly I'm biased, but that's never been proven. Just an honest assessment.

At least they are trying genuinely different things: improvised comedy, live music, panel show. But if the idea was to have a stronger BB around to support this slew of new young-skewing shows, then the strategy is in pieces already.

Viacom was always going to pitch the channel younger - and I don't have a problem with that - but why no younger skewing factual or younger skewing drama? Those genres are always going to be the channel's bread and butter.

If anyone has any +1 ratings for BB (to avoid it from being catastrophic), let me know!

Going by Tuesday on ITV though, when was the last time Tuesday primetime reached over 4m (besides BGT smei final week)?

I expect only having the one ad break helped get the average over 4m.

A good decision and a good rating I'd say. For some reason i was thinking 3mil or underway but it seems there is still interest in the EU Referendum.

Does anyone know what ITV News at Ten got the other day when BBC had theirs at 10.30?

There was an article on one of the newspaper websites looking at the previous BB winners and where they are now. I can't remember which one it was. I was really surprised to see that the very first winner is now worth £15 million.

I think that I stopped watching around series 7 so I can't comment on what it is like now. Would a Friday evening launch work better for the show than on a Tuesday ? The contestants now know what is expected of them if they want to play the game and get some sort of celeb career afterwards. Perhaps this is harming the show now

This year against the Euro''s would have been awful to launch against.

Sadly yesterday or today could have been the only acceptable time to launch.

A good rating for the Referendum debate. Was the Andrew Neil rating on Monday BBC One released and I missed it? If so can somebody post it again.

On Big Brother, the quality of past series will have had an impact but it's also a show coming up to it's 16th birthday which has had an awful reputation for at least 8/9 years of that. It's format has remained largely unchanged over it's tenure. There has been little promotion which doesn't help when trying to build an audience outside of the core fans which themselves are dwindling. Channel 5 seem largely apathetic towards it, only really wanting it's celebrity sister and accepting the civilian version as a way to get it.

The rating will get smaller and smaller until they have true reason to drop it and I don't know why people would think it will rise. Without them actually doing something (Two houses could have been really good for example but instead of branding this series Big Brother: The Battle and have a competition it's a way of manipulating the main house which we've seen countless times) I can't see it lasting past 2018

2.24m

Thank you. Wonder how Osbourne does tonight

BB is going to have a very difficult ride this year. It is a very good point about the Euro's coming up. They were pretty much stuck launching last night.

It's one of those times when you think it may have been wise to drop it for a year. But then saying that, people may have tuned out completely the following year.

I personally agree with taking the year out. It worked for Italian BB when it didn't do well, it came back better in quality and ratings.

It will be tough. Hope we get the +1 rating as would like to see a better comparison to last year.

I have a feeling it will dip under 1m by Friday for sure especially against the opening game.