I think it will drop lower than 4m. It's been lingering at midnight 4s so I reckon a new low is very likely. But the 1.8m prediction is laughable. That's like saying X Factor would start next year with 1m.

I know. It's such an injustice.

Has no one noticed that this poster nearly always massively under predicts on BBC figures whilst over predicting ITV? I wouldn't take the predictions too seriously tbh. Obviously EE will be higher and England lower.

Thanks for that observation. I'm only expressing the kind of figures many on here dream of.

To be honest yes I'd love an 18m rating for the England game. The same would apply if it was on the BBC.

As for EE, well I really couldn't care less how it rates and given the BBC's scheduling, they clearly don't either.

Correct me if I am wrong but over the last few weeks, I was convinced it was you who was overjoyed that itv had nabbed all the England primetime games and not the BBC.

You were wrong. I was merely saying that ITV made clever picks and will be very happy with their picks. ITV clearly benefit from high ratings more than the Beeb which is why I posted about it (and why the general tone of discussion around major tournament ratings is more from an ITV perspective). Never did I say I was "overjoyed" or even imply it.

Thanks! Quite low for Emmerdale then - I don't think there's any danger of it dropping that low during these summer months.

Surely Thursday might have been Corrie's lowest ever figure then? According to ITV media, it got 4.88m (24%) in the 9pm slot and was third placed soap of the night. If so, I'm surprised that rating went under the radar on this thread!

OK. Thanks for the clarification and apologies for misconstruing.

Apparently praising ITV is as well. Perhaps you should take your own advice, based on a few posts from you above.

Actually, it's not the praise of itv programmes that irks me - I totally get that its referendum coverage was dynamic and refreshing for many on here - but I didn't think the BBC's coverage was as woeful as some were making out here. It wasn't flawless but, in my own humble opinion, it wasn't as bad as some were saying. In addition, I still find it difficult to accept that the notion that the BBC has this default audience who watch the BBC indiscriminately, as if to suggest "Why would anyone actually CHOOSE to watch the BBC?".

And whether you intended to or not, there was the implication in your previous post that the BBC's Referendum coverage was lacking: firstly, in your suggestion that ratings aren't necessarily an indicator of "quality" and secondly by alluding to the BBC's much-derided Royal Jubilee Pageant coverage in the same post. You are perfectly entitled to that opinion, of course, but I wouldn't then backpeddle on it.

To clarify: I don't "throw my toys out of the pram" whenever the BBC is criticised - I can be equally critical of BBC programmes (and yes, there is evidence of that on this thread) - but on this occasion, it is my opinion that their Referendum coverage was pretty good.

Thursday's figure is overnight however - the final official figure will likely add to this, but you may well end up being spot on!

Very unexpected for potentially its lowest all time figure to have no competition on the other side! Fair enough it was out of slot, but it usually holds up much better on these occasions. I guess it just goes to show the weakness of the show atm. With timeshift added it will probably look a lot better - maybe around 6m.

Glastonbury dropped from BBC Two for a Newsnight Special between 8.30 and 9 tonight.

Nobody said the BBC's coverage was woeful, at all. It was more a praise of ITV's in comparison to the BBC's which is vaild.

The BBC's coverge was fine, it was as good as it usually is, but what I and others are saying is that ITV's coverage was as good as the BBC but does not get the same figures. Here is where I refer to ratings are not always indictave of quality. If it was, ITV's figures would match BBC1.

But you do keep alluding to the fact that many on here look forward to seeing BBC underperform. Ok there might be some, but do you really think many on here take pleasure from hoping BBC programming rates badly? You suggest above: "I'm only expressing the kind of figures many on here dream of".

But lets leave it there and call a truce before this goes on all night

Yes, that is the first time Corrie has fallen under 5m including +1.


Re Monday's EastEnders: The best comparison in recent years is the Emmerdale episode which faced an England match during Euro 2012. It aired at 8:30 and got 3.64m.

BBC and ITV were fine. I watched both I preferred the BBC but I'm a sucker for big sets and eye-catching graphics!

Happily. Sorry to go on about it.

Based on that I expect EastEnders will be in the 3.9m region. Would be interesting to see both EE and Corrie reach their lowest overnights within four days of each other.

Presumably, we'll only get one overnight for 1.30-7.10pm on BBC One, along with match averages for the two games.

Has it?

It got 5.57m on Tuesday and 5.35m on Thursday. I have only seen it fall to the mid 4s against Emmerdale like last night.


What might save the normal BB is C5's atrocious record with and general lack of effort in the entertainment genre.

Rylan's new chat show and Eamonn Holmes's panel show are both dreadful and I imagine the ratings reflect this (I know Rylan's did). Their biggest success with the genre has been with this, a programme C4 didn't want anymore. Even then thanks to poor decision-making early on it's not as big as it could have been for them. But it's probably still doing enough to be worth putting off finding and paying for new programmes, which might not do much better or could rate worse, to fill its slots if it wasn't there.

No on epg they were separate programmes

Rylan's chat show *was* bad, I'll give you that one.

But It's Not Me, It's You was actually pretty damn funny (and deservedly received strong reviews). It follows the usual panel show formula quite closely and isn't exactly groundbreaking, but for what was one of Channel 5's first entertainment programmes that they made themselves, I think they can absolutely be proud of it whether it turns out to be a success or not. And the first episode had little chance opposite Referendum coverage.

It has been a struggle for C5 entertainment wise, but not totally devoid of hits. Lip Sync Battle for example performed very well in the winter, albeit with the help of CBB. It continues to have enormous potential as a format and I doubt we've seen the best of it.

At the end of the day, BB will be cancelled when the sums no longer add up and we must be close to that point. You can't afford to be too sentimental about these things. But what a ride it's been from C5's perspective and they'll have no regrets. CBB, which will surely outlive BB, has proved many in the industry wrong and been a tremendous asset in bringing lots of young viewers to the channel and helping to launch other new shows successfully.

Well it's a half hour break for Glastonbury anyway.

lucky you can watch any time on line anyway even after a set has ended I have fat boy slim on now.