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I dont think that sort of film has mass appeal i dont think it will ever draw in the crowds, it would be better of on channel 4 maybe.
Good to see movies in primetime again but lets see some big popular films please. EDIT: That's probably forgetting Channel 5 and maybe 4 where films can bring in useful but not spectacular audiences. |
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Sky reported a 5.5m reach for Thursday.
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You mean the "Christmas madness" of being at the time where viewing figures are (some of) the highest?
It's perfect scheduling, The Apprentice has found a good annual slot, they should just move the hour's You're Fired in the final over to BBC so it doesn't affect the main average. The Apprentice wouldn't get much of a boost from Christmas anyway, it's not exactly a Christmassy program. Bake Off will help the Apprentice anyway, the BBC should be more keen to have two hours of huge shows, rather than trying to keep them out of the way of each other. |
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New Blood seems to be creeping up a bit, but nowhere near enough to earn a second series.
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Remember New Blood was on iplayer before it was shown on BBC 1
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I love New Blood, I watched it on iplayer then watched again on BBC1
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I suppose the other point to make about The Hobbit films which hasn't been touched on is the window from cinema to VOD is pretty small for a major series. I expect quite a few will have already seen them on Netflix, including the 3rd one which has been on there for months.
Should still have done better than it did. But not surprising to see it struggle. |
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I liked it as well, but I've only watched though iPlayer. Hoping others have done the same so it gets a second series.
My favourite programmes always get cancelled so I am really crossing my fingers for this one. |
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....which itself will be lower than BBC's reach last year.
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Another sport sacrificing a wider audience for money, very short-sighted.
Also (and ive posted this elsewhere, dont think ive posted it in this thread before) it may not be the case the sport looses out as much as you think, a case could be made that the fans who pay up to Sky, are a group more engaged with the sport, more loyal to the sport, more like to support the sport and its sponsors, than the casual "there is nothing else on, so ill watch this bit of sport on BBC 1 audience". Sure the sport looses in the total viewing figures, but if you ask a band, which they would rather than 1 fan who comes to a concert and buys their music, or 5 fans who stream their music to their iPhone, the band will be more interested in the 1 fan who is much more engaged, and interacts with them, in ways that is more profitable for them. |
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You mean the "Christmas madness" of being at the time where viewing figures are (some of) the highest?
It's perfect scheduling, The Apprentice has found a good annual slot, they should just move the hour's You're Fired in the final over to BBC so it doesn't affect the main average. |
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Christmas Madness where 3 episodes end up clashing with I'm a Celeb and you've got 3 bigger shows with elimination formats coming to an end around the same time so The Apprentice struggles for press coverage.
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but at this point, they know this is the issue.
Also (and ive posted this elsewhere, dont think ive posted it in this thread before) it may not be the case the sport looses out as much as you think, a case could be made that the fans who pay up to Sky, are a group more engaged with the sport, more loyal to the sport, more like to support the sport and its sponsors, than the casual "there is nothing else on, so ill watch this bit of sport on BBC 1 audience". Sure the sport looses in the total viewing figures, but if you ask a band, which they would rather than 1 fan who comes to a concert and buys their music, or 5 fans who stream their music to their iPhone, the band will be more interested in the 1 fan who is much more engaged, and interacts with them, in ways that is more profitable for them. As far as Golf is concerned, its fair enough taking the money and reducing the audience -they still have this decent highlights arrangement on the BBC and internet clips etc-but they will have to carefully look at interest at grass roots level to make sure there is no loss there. I guess there will always be a carrot when people like Spieth are winning $7 million cheques though. |
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There are always the fans who simply cannot afford SKY though.
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I suppose the other point to make about The Hobbit films which hasn't been touched on is the window from cinema to VOD is pretty small for a major series. I expect quite a few will have already seen them on Netflix, including the 3rd one which has been on there for months.
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Bake Off will help the Apprentice anyway, the BBC should be more keen to have two hours of huge shows, rather than trying to keep them out of the way of each other.
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Both broadcast Hobbit films were hardly unpopular at the box office with the first being one of only 25 titles to take 1 billion-the other not far behind. Had it not been shown again since anywhere it would have had real value. The thing is anyone who wanted to see it already has-and repeat value is a strange beast. The only film I can remember getting above 10 million viewers this century is Deep Impact. Many hugely popular cinema films can have little value to terrestrial tv.
EDIT: That's probably forgetting Channel 5 and maybe 4 where films can bring in useful but not spectacular audiences. |
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Another of The Sun's silly stories today about Corrie facing a revolt 'by the cast who fear having to work extra hours now the show is going six nights a week'.
But the show isn't, is it? They are going six episodes a week. They have five episodes now but these are only shown on three nights not five. Is the plan really to have 6 x one 30 min episode every night Sunday to Friday? Or just one extra episode slotted into the current set up somewhere (possibly Sunday) meaning four nights a week with the two on Monday and Friday. |
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Not sure I'd describe The Apprentice as a huge show these days.
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Not sure I'd describe The Apprentice as a huge show these days.
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Past TV audiences for The Open are certainly not going to be that much interested in golf.
People watched for the social element, to be part of something "British". And, as we have seen before, that just does not travel very well... Just shows that it's not particularly popular as a TV spectator sport. |
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Another of The Sun's silly stories today about Corrie facing a revolt 'by the cast who fear having to work extra hours now the show is going six nights a week'.
But the show isn't, is it? They are going six episodes a week. They have five episodes now but these are only shown on three nights not five. Is the plan really to have 6 x one 30 min episode every night Sunday to Friday? Or just one extra episode slotted into the current set up somewhere (possibly Sunday) meaning four nights a week with the two on Monday and Friday. I don't see what the fuss is all about, Emmerdale have been doing it for years and they won best soap last year. |
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When are iplayer ratings available? I want to see how New Blood has done
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There won't be room for both Cold Feet and Victoria on Sundays. I'm a Celebrity will most likely return on Sunday 13th November. Presuming X Factor returns on the same weekend as last year there will be 11 weeks of XF lead-ins before IAC returns.
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Could ITV therefore hold it back for January 2017? I see no reason to shove it on a weekday and putting Cold Feet on the Sunday against Poldark seems to be like the best option.
Put like that, though, it shows how massively limiting the ITV schedule is. I know I'm A Celebrity is a beast and makes so much money for ITV that it has to dominate the schedules but if you get to the stage where an expensive period drama, the most Sunday-ified show imaginable, can't go out on a Sunday because there's "no room" then things really have come to a pretty pass. Especially when there's acres of schedule on that channel with virtually nothing of any value at all. It reminds me a bit of Samuel saying how stuff couldn't go in a particular slot because it was "physically impossible" for it to go there. Of course, it's not impossible for anything to go in any slot on any channel if the will was there, if Kevin Lygo wants Victoria to go on Sundays at 9pm it can, everything else can get out of the way. But I think it's a sad state of affairs when the schedules are so regimented that programmes have to go in unsuitable slots. It's a total waste of a programme, and a poor service for the audience. One thing that's missing in the ITV schedules is surprises, and under David Liddiment they used to be bloody good at that, creating proper events in the schedule and taking more risks. I don't see that happening these days, the schedules are so mundane. Quote:
Nothing of much note across the board sadly.
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I know they're trailing Victoria now but they started trailing Cold Feet last month and so there'll be three months of trailers for that. There's nothing to stop them starting it after I'm A Celebrity and it running into the new year, of course.
Put like that, though, it shows how massively limiting the ITV schedule is. I know I'm A Celebrity is a beast and makes so much money for ITV that it has to dominate the schedules but if you get to the stage where an expensive period drama, the most Sunday-ified show imaginable, can't go out on a Sunday because there's "no room" then things really have come to a pretty pass. Especially when there's acres of schedule on that channel with virtually nothing of any value at all. It reminds me a bit of Samuel saying how stuff couldn't go in a particular slot because it was "physically impossible" for it to go there. Of course, it's not impossible for anything to go in any slot on any channel if the will was there, if Kevin Lygo wants Victoria to go on Sundays at 9pm it can, everything else can get out of the way. But I think it's a sad state of affairs when the schedules are so regimented that programmes have to go in unsuitable slots. It's a total waste of a programme, and a poor service for the audience. One thing that's missing in the ITV schedules is surprises, and under David Liddiment they used to be bloody good at that, creating proper events in the schedule and taking more risks. I don't see that happening these days, the schedules are so mundane. The thing is ITV have no incentive whatsoever to not run I'm a Celebrity on a Sunday at 9pm. Those Sunday episodes were the biggest of the series last year so they won't lose them. I remember during IAC's early years there would be one night of the week (usually a Wednesday or a Thursday) where instead of running it at 9pm they'd show it at 8pm for an hour and then another half hour at 10pm with a drama inbetween at 9pm. That is something I'd like to see them go back to, but not on a Sunday. It'd mean punting X Factor back to 7pm to go against Strictly for a start. It wouldn't be worth compromising X Factor and IAC's biggest episode of the week to run a drama that will most likely rate lower than both. Victoria is much more of a Sunday type show than Cold Feet, but going against Poldark might not be the wisest move and 10 weeks of Poldark means that if they wanted to avoid it they'd be looking at Victoria running over Christmas and into 2017 (even if you don't account for IAC). They might of course decide that they're confident enough in Victoria to run it on Sundays against Poldark. Cold Feet would be a better fit for a weeknight than Victoria, but it would obviously be a risk to go in with a new period piece, particularly as the lead-in from X Factor won't be anywhere near as big as the one Downton was launched out of (and Victoria is probably less compatible with X Factor than Cold Feet would be). Of course early next year there's already another new 8 part period drama called The Halcyon due to air. Plus Vera and Endeavour which always air on Sundays. That takes up Sundays right through until the end of April as it is. They do seem to have a lot of Sunday-type dramas. I suspect it's why Jericho found itself on Thursdays at the start of the year (that and it turned out to not be very good which is probably why they didn't move other things around to accommodate it). I'd agree that the ITV schedule lacks surprises and that is something I'd like to see Kevin Lygo and the new team change. But I don't think meddling with I'm a Celebrity's biggest episodes is necessarily the way to start doing that. They should look at the chunks of the schedule that need work first. There are plenty of them. Wednesdays at 8pm could have more ambition, Thursdays from 8.30pm have been inconsistent, Sundays at 7pm have been a struggle and of course there's terrible Tuesdays. I think there's scope for more ambition in those half hour slots between the two Coronation Street episodes on Mondays and Fridays too. BBC1 definitely offer up more of a mix of genres against Corrie than ITV do against EastEnders so I'd look to try more stuff in those slots. So plenty of room for surprises and experiments that I'd like to see them take advantage of. |
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There are no 'surprises' on any channel. Everything airs at the same time of year or on the same days of the week year after year. Even channels that don't have anything to lose behave exactly the same.
Of course if there were surprises I know that this thread would be dominated by people complaining about them ripping up a tried and tested schedule, if the rating ends up lower than previously, and there is also that constant complaint here that anything that doesn't air on a Sunday or Monday is badly scheduled and being burnt off. The only channel this doesn't apply to is Channel 4 and that is only because they don't restrict their big hits to once a year and instead bring them back two or three times only a few weeks after the previous series ended. |
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there was not one new program on ITV1 today all seem to be repeats.
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