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jack_blair
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by gelefsky:
“It's amazing how people take things OUT OF CONTEXT. I never said she was "not responsible" for her own actions. Or that you should not go to work. Where on the thread did I make such a claim? (although don't tell your boss it was down to me! ).

I said a human is NOT fully developed at 22. 90% of people on here have said I was "bizarre" or "wrong" for saying that - all telling me that the human is "fully grown" at this age. I have proved that I was stating facts. You will still be growing on a biological level - including the full formation of your brain SIGNIFICANTLY - for another few years (and possibly longer in some people).

Now, in the CONTEXT of BB and Steph's relation to the other HMs in their 30s/40s (fully developed), I was making the point that it is a very young age and STILL DEVELOPING. And I stand by that. I used the phrase "baby age" IN THAT CONTEXT. It was meant in the sense that, at that young age, there is still much development, especially in terms of emotional and brain functioning.

PS Have a good day a work ”

Stephanies not still developing , she's equipped to deal with things like any of them, she just wants everyone to think same way as her, as does Gemma.
Stephanie is not still developing emotionally as regards brain function either, so you're wrong there . The part of the brain responsible for emotional intelligence is developed in full by Stephanie's age, so there's no biological excuse for her there either

Any behaviour by Stephanie is down to her psychological state as to how she handles things, same with Gemma, Danniella and all of them .

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honeythewitch
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Mrs Vimes:
“I'm a young woman in my head, however chronologically I'm 65 ”

I am only 55 and you are intimidating me,Mrs Vimes! *howls loudly with one eye on the camera*
firefly_irl
25-01-2016
Its bizarre how she keeps using this as a crutch, I'm 24 and never used my age as an excuse. Also look back at how 19 year old Ashleigh never used her age as a crutch when going head to head with that washed up mongrel Helen.
cate o connor
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by honeythewitch:
“I am only 55 and you are intimidating me,Mrs Vimes! *howls loudly with one eye on the camera*”

Well, I can beat the pair of you, and I still think like a twenty two year old.
DUNDEEBOY
25-01-2016
Don't forgets she is five foot two as well, so I think she wins smallest and youngest.

She referred to her height a few times as well
honeythewitch
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by cate o connor:
“Well, I can beat the pair of you, and I still think like a twenty two year old.”

I think the fact that it is almost impossible to tell someone's age online shows that once we are adults we stay pretty much the same.
jack_blair
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Don't forgets she is five foot two as well, so I think she wins smallest and youngest.

She referred to her height a few times as well”

yet she's the only one in there who's been a complete b*tch to her partner on the outside who she claimed to love and wanted to 'marry' when she went in to the house

Next we'll hear her blame her behaviour on being 5 Ft 2 !
muggins14
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by momentarything:
“The older I get, the more I realise this is true in many ways. I always thought there'd be a point in your life where you really feel like an adult, but I've spoken to so many people a lot older than me who say they still get a shock sometimes when they look in the mirror and they're not 20 anymore because they feel the same inside, despite having kids and mortgages, the lot.”

Yes, absolutely. We had a thread on General Discussion about this recently, do you feel grown up or some such thing. Not many of us feel our ages apparently (which is a good thing).
gelefsky
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“Stephanies not still developing , she's equipped to deal with things like any of them, she just wants everyone to think same way as her, as does Gemma.
Stephanie is not still developing emotionally as regards brain function either, so you're wrong there . The part of the brain responsible for emotional intelligence is developed in full by Stephanie's age, so there's no biological excuse for her there either

Any behaviour by Stephanie is down to her psychological state as to how she handles things, same with Gemma, Danniella and all of them .

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Totally appreciate Steph is probably psychologically LESS MATURE than the average person of that age (as I HAVE posted elsewhere already on other threads). But I think neuroscientists would disagree with your comment above (as I posted - re: that study of over 4,000 brain scans).

Do you NOT feel that neurons - and the biological neural network - the core component of the brain - has a major impact on human thought and emotion? The same neurons that science has now shown are NOT fully developed until mid to late 20s. Hence, Steph's brain will NOT be as advanced in terms of neuronal development as those in the mid 30s/40s in that house.

I'd be interested in your response before I drink my cocoa
Mrs Vimes
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by cate o connor:
“Well, I can beat the pair of you, and I still think like a twenty two year old.”

I hope you don't mean the two of us together as that would make you over 120 years old
jack_blair
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by gelefsky:
“Totally appreciate Steph is probably psychologically LESS MATURE than the average person of that age (as I HAVE posted elsewhere already on other threads). But I think neuroscientists would disagree with your comment above (as I posted - re: that study of over 4,000 brain scans).

Do you NOT feel that neurons - and the biological neural network - the core component of the brain - has a major impact on human thought and emotion? The same neurons that science has now shown are NOT fully developed until mid to late 20s. Hence, Steph's brain will NOT be as advanced in terms of neuronal development as those in the mid 30s/40s in that house.

I'd be interested in your response before I drink my cocoa ”

I don't 'feel' anything . It is a biological fact about emotional development.

Stephanie is in her 23rd year or thereabouts,It's by age of 23 to be precise, so her age is irrelevent as regards biological make up.

Her behaviour is down to selfishness and being self obsessed and it's just her personality type

and with the BF thing/Jeremy she even said she was in love with the idea of being in love
that's why it's not a good idea to marry before late 20's due to maturity in so many respsects, - that's why many couples get divorced if they married too young, one of the many reasons , not entire reason
muggins14
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Mrs Vimes:
“I'm a young woman in my head, however chronologically I'm 65 ”

I'm 53 in a few days, pay my own bills, raise my child on my own, make big decisions alone, etc. but I'm still waiting for the day when I feel like a grown-up, when I feel what I think a 53-year-old is meant to feel like. It never happened with 52, 51, 33, etc so I don't suppose it's going to hit me any time soon
Paace
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by gelefsky:
“Totally appreciate Steph is probably psychologically LESS MATURE than the average person of that age (as I HAVE posted elsewhere already on other threads). But I think neuroscientists would disagree with your comment above (as I posted - re: that study of over 4,000 brain scans).

Do you NOT feel that neurons - and the biological neural network - the core component of the brain - has a major impact on human thought and emotion? The same neurons that science has now shown are NOT fully developed until mid to late 20s. Hence, Steph's brain will NOT be as advanced in terms of neuronal development as those in the mid 30s/40s in that house.

I'd be interested in your response before I drink my cocoa ”

You're far too young to be up at this time . Off to bed and put your neuron to rest .
Seamus Sweeney
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by muggins14:
“I'm 53 in a few days, pay my own bills, raise my child on my own, make big decisions alone, etc. but I'm still waiting for the day when I feel like a grown-up, when I feel what I think a 53-year-old is meant to feel like. It never happened with 52, 51, 33, etc so I don't suppose it's going to hit me any time soon ”

I'm 47, and with some worked for changes since Christmas, on track with a fast developing relationship to perhaps becoming a first time Dad. It excites and terrifies me in equal measures..*gulp*..but likewise feel a lot younger when contemplating the responsibility to come.

Can't wait (fingers crossed)
jack_blair
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Seamus Sweeney:
“I'm 47, and with some worked for changes since Christmas, on track with a fast developing relationship to perhaps becoming a first time Dad. It excites and terrifies me in equal measures..*gulp*..but likewise feel a lot younger when contemplating the responsibility to come.

Can't wait (fingers crossed) ”

children will keep you young alert and fun !
There's a lot to be said for life experience, but just what that entails defines how you deal with situations ,
gelefsky
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by jack_blair:
“I don't 'feel' anything . It is a biological fact about emotional development.

Stephanie is in her 23rd year or thereabouts,It's by age of 23 to be precise, so her age is irrelevent as regards biological make up.

Her behaviour is down to selfishness and being self obsessed and it's just her personality type

and with the BF thing/Jeremy she even said she was in love with the idea of being in love
that's why it's not a good idea to marry before late 20's due to maturity in so many respsects, - that's why many couples get divorced if they married too young, one of the many reasons , not entire reason”

Steph could potentially have another 4 years of neuronal development. Yet you don't feel her brain would be any different in terms of development to older HMs? OK, we'll have to fundamentally disagree then.

I DO agree she is immature. But to me she is VERY young in terms of full biological development compared to middle-aged housemates and certainly in terms of life experience and emotional development/intelligence, which is what my OP was focused on.

In my 20s, I thought I "knew it all" too. And boy, was I wrong!!!

Sweet dreams pal
cate o connor
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Seamus Sweeney:
“I'm 47, and with some worked for changes since Christmas, on track with a fast developing relationship to perhaps becoming a first time Dad. It excites and terrifies me in equal measures..*gulp*..but likewise feel a lot younger when contemplating the responsibility to come.

Can't wait (fingers crossed) ”

Both my sons..,..around your age......became first time dads two years ago. They are utterly besotted, and I have two beautiful granddaughters, with just eleven days between them.

Good luck......family is all.
Lucypher
25-01-2016
I don't care how old Stephanie is - it's clear she feels young and confused, and a victim of bullying. Nobody can blame her for feeling so awful when that horrible Gemma and Daniella, who she looked up to, took the pee out of her dirty washing. I think Stephanie did brilliantly sticking up for herself because she does seem to struggle with her emotions. I know nothing of her upbringing, and nor, do I suggest, does anybody here. All we know I'd what we read about - and we know that most of that stuff is rubbish!

I like her friendship with Jeremy. Yes, she has a boyfriend. But it's very telling how she admits to never feeling loved. Jeremy has been wonderful with her, ensuring she has an ally whilst explaining to her how she gets things wrong, or let's her know when she's over reacting.

I was touched by the happy smile on her face when she said goodnight, and also when she said how much she was looking forward to getting along with everybody 'tomorrow'.

I don't want to criticise a young woman who obviously isn't as savvy as the older, reality TV actors, and I'm looking forward to seeing her enjoy herself. However, there was no sincerity from Gemma towards her. She was copying Daniella, who did apologise genuinely, I felt. I can't bear to see Ms Collins trampling over everybody in her desire to win this contest.
honeythewitch
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Seamus Sweeney:
“I'm 47, and with some worked for changes since Christmas, on track with a fast developing relationship to perhaps becoming a first time Dad. It excites and terrifies me in equal measures..*gulp*..but likewise feel a lot younger when contemplating the responsibility to come.

Can't wait (fingers crossed) ”

How lovely. i hope you enjoy every moment, Seamus.
jack_blair
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by gelefsky:
“Steph could potentially have another 4 years of neuronal development. Yet you don't feel her brain would be any different in terms of development to older HMs? OK, we'll have to fundamentally disagree then.

I DO agree she is immature. But to me she is VERY young in terms of full biological development compared to middle-aged housemates and certainly in terms of life experience and emotional development/intelligence, which is what my OP was focused on.

In my 20s, I thought I "knew it all" too. And boy, was I wrong!!!

Sweet dreams pal ”

no I don't - this is an experience/personality argument
they're all at an age where they are fully developed biologically as I said, - , the fact that Stephanie lacks emotional intelligence is down to her experiences and her attitude and personality not her biological make up.

They've all got brains yes, but as we've seen with Gemma, some don't use them fully
and that's down to education/, nature, nurture , environment , many things , too much to mention.
cate o connor
25-01-2016
[quote=Mrs Vimes;81241842]I hope you don't mean the two of us together as that would make you over 120 years old [/QUOTE

Aye, it's good stuff that Botox!!
Seamus Sweeney
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by cate o connor:
“Both my sons..,..around your age......became first time dads two years ago. They are utterly besotted, and I have two beautiful granddaughters, with just eleven days between them.

Good luck......family is all.”

Thanks for telling me this - certainly nerves are kicking in somewhat at the prospect. My partner is 41, and like me feels she is ready for this. So it does reassure me to hear that it has worked out so well for your sons. I think I'll be equally as besotted if we are successful in our efforts

Originally Posted by honeythewitch:
“How lovely. i hope you enjoy every moment, Seamus.”

Very much appreciated for that

Now I feel younger than Steff again thinking of it all
soozie
25-01-2016
She harps on about being only 22 but she lives with her boyfriend does she not? She uses it when she wants, being an adult living with a man, screwing when she wants but when things don't go her way she wants her mummy. She's spoilt and brattish never takes responsibility for her actions. Nothing to do with age just a selfish,self absorbed brat,used to getting her own way.
Mrs Vimes
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Seamus Sweeney:
“Thanks for telling me this - certainly nerves are kicking in somewhat at the prospect. My partner is 41, and like me feels she is ready for this. So it does reassure me to hear that it has worked out so well for your sons. I think I'll be equally as besotted if we are successful in our efforts



Very much appreciated for that

Now I feel younger than Steff again thinking of it all ”

When you get scared and wonder if your ready to cope just think of my son. It makes having a baby seem like a doddle
He finally left home and got married at 41. He's 45 now and step dad to a 10 year old boy and two girls one. 16 and the other 18. He's very happy and hasn't had a nervous breakdown yet.
confuddled
25-01-2016
probably all the woman she is ever going to be and a complete embarrassment to other 22 yr olds. i know plenty of young people around that age who all hold down relationships, jobs and a decent mental and moral approach to life. all know that chasing another bloke on camera, sharing a bed, kissing and hugging on camera whilst your partner is watching in the outside is just wrong. she can't blame her age and she seriously needs a parent or good friend to have a word in her ear.......she'd probably listen for all of 5 minutes then her impulsiveness would kick in and she'd be off again. i Don't think she's all bad but neither do i think she's the brightest.
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