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Will "Doctor who" sell out to the young, Marvel loving demographic?
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Whoswho1
25-01-2016
maybe? probably?

Ageism is alive and well. Sad, but predictabe. Back to the young and cute fromula.

Gallifrey Base:

"The decision has already been taken to replace PC at the end of Season 10, when his contract is up and to cast a younger actor and that search is already underway,...The show is a flagship and the feeling is that it needs to be a vehicle for a young, British star or rising star - think Ben Whishaw (though it won't be Ben Whishaw) level of current visibility and age. There have also been various "tone" memos flying about, which would suggest that Chibnall has been advised to highlight the more "comic thrills" elements - meaning more Marvel type special powers type baddies of the week and a lighter feel to the jeopardy, whatever that means.'"
Corwin
25-01-2016
Source?
Whoswho1
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“Source?”

its on the top of the quote. I am not a member, so can't do a direct link.
Brandon_Smith
25-01-2016
Hang on wait I'm a member, they took forever to approve me in 2014

Edit: Can't find it their forums are so big and clunky.
Mulett
25-01-2016
I don't know if its true but I like everything it says. Not sure the Doctor needs to be young, but comic thrills sounds good. That said, its probably nonsense.
Brandon_Smith
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I don't know if its true but I like everything it says. Not sure the Doctor needs to be young, but comic thrills sounds good. That said, its probably nonsense.”

Yeah I honestly like it except don't care about the doctor old or young but the idea I love.....guess we might be the 1%
Mulett
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Brandon_Smith:
“Yeah I honestly like it except don't care about the doctor old or young but the idea I love.....guess we might be the 1%”

I think the age thing is a bit of a red herring to be honest. I think that might be what you are alluding to as well.

57 isn't old. But the 12th Doctor has been written as a grumpy old man. He might as well be 90.

Suddenly giving him the electric guitar, tank and sonic sunglasses made him look like a man of a certain age having a mid-life crisis more than a cool character.

The next actor to play the Doctor might be 60 but could still be decades younger in his character and outlook than the 12th Doctor.

Its the writing, not the age of Peter Capaldi.
Brandon_Smith
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“I think the age thing is a bit of a red herring to be honest. I think that might be what you are alluding to as well.

57 isn't old. But the 12th Doctor has been written as a grumpy old man. He might as well be 90.

Suddenly giving him the electric guitar, tank and sonic sunglasses made him look like a man of a certain age having a mid-life crisis more than a cool character.

The next actor to play the Doctor might be 60 but could still be decades younger in his character and outlook than the 12th Doctor.

Its the writing, not the age of Peter Capaldi.”

Yeah I thought the Shades and Guitar felt like a last second ram in and it felt very weird and fast considering how his Doctor felt really opposed to anything like that in Series 8, it kinda did feel like more of a cringey watching someone have a mid-life crisis then it naturally just being his thing
Lord Smexy
25-01-2016
One name being thrown around for a potential new Doctor is Tom Weston-Jones, which I hope is a complete load of rubbish. I like the Doctor as a kind of grandfather or uncle figure who defies the typical traits of heroism and shows you don't have to be an olympic dreamboat to be a hero. One of the things I love about Capaldi's portrayal is I find a lot in him to relate to as somebody with Asperger's Syndrome, and I can see he's a character full of compassion and cares about those close to him but simply struggles to show it. I'm really not fond of the more modern idea of him being some kind of streetwise Casanova.
Corwin
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“its on the top of the quote. I am not a member, so can't do a direct link.”

Can't recall seeing that when I replied.

Is it just some random poster on the forum or was it written by someone who might actually know something?
Whoswho1
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Lord Smexy:
“One name being thrown around for a potential new Doctor is Tom Weston-Jones, which I hope is a complete load of rubbish. I like the Doctor as a kind of grandfather or uncle figure who defies the typical traits of heroism and shows you don't have to be an olympic dreamboat to be a hero. One of the things I love about Capaldi's portrayal is I find a lot in him to relate to as somebody with Asperger's Syndrome, and I can see he's a character full of compassion and cares about those close to him but simply struggles to show it. I'm really not fond of the more modern idea of him being some kind of streetwise Casanova.”

well said. Bravo

sadly, this is all about money and the young, pretty, hipper, superhero, lighter stuff brings in more cash these days

I am going to enjoy the rest of this older doctors dark, cool, sarcastic era because it will probably never happen again in nuwho lol
Brandon_Smith
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“well said. Bravo

sadly, this is all about money and the young, pretty, hipper, superhero, lighter stuff brings in more cash these days

I am going to enjoy the rest of this older doctors dark, cool, sarcastic era because it will probably never happen again in nuwho lol”

Is it me or is there onions in here? *blows nose*
doctor blue box
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“maybe? probably?

Ageism is alive and well. Sad, but predictabe. Back to the young and cute fromula.

Gallifrey Base:

"The decision has already been taken to replace PC at the end of Season 10, when his contract is up and to cast a younger actor and that search is already underway,...The show is a flagship and the feeling is that it needs to be a vehicle for a young, British star or rising star - think Ben Whishaw (though it won't be Ben Whishaw) level of current visibility and age. There have also been various "tone" memos flying about, which would suggest that Chibnall has been advised to highlight the more "comic thrills" elements - meaning more Marvel type special powers type baddies of the week and a lighter feel to the jeopardy, whatever that means.'"”

All I care about is whether or not the actor is a good actor and can do the role justice. Blantantly you will complain if a younger actor is chosen on the merit of their acting skills because you have shown yourself to be extremely ageist against younger actors taking the role.

Ageism sure is alive and well..with you.
Whoswho1
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Brandon_Smith:
“Is it me or is there onions in here? *blows nose* ”

Looking around for kleenex on sale
Abomination
25-01-2016
As much as I don't buy any of this for a minute, younger Doctor, comic thrills and Chris Chiball combined make me think of a series-spanning tone reminiscent of Dinosaurs on a Spaceship.

And there was me thinking there'd be nothing that could actually turn me away from the show!
saladfingers81
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“well said. Bravo

sadly, this is all about money and the young, pretty, hipper, superhero, lighter stuff brings in more cash these days

I am going to enjoy the rest of this older doctors dark, cool, sarcastic era because it will probably never happen again in nuwho lol”

I agree with you on many thing including the type of DW we want to see on screen and hypothetically speaking I agree with you on the age thing but you seem overly concerned with this issue to the extent that you are creating things to get annoyed about before they have even happened. There is zero evidence right now to suggest that the BBC or Chibnall are about to turn their backs on everything the show has stood for and represented for over half a century. A few assumptions and anon posts on forums are meaningless. There is nothing to say that they are about to turn DW into some cheap knock off of the Marvel universe or The CW DC stuff and cast some brain dead pretty boy in the lead role so why start getting upset about something that right now exists only in your own fears? Trust me...should this come to pass and they dumb the show down to chase ratings and bandwagons and compete against shows they should never be aiming to compete with then I'll be with you protesting as loudly as possible. But it probably wont happen.

Also as MS proved younger doesnt automatically mean stupider or talent-less. And DW would do well to take a few things from other shows and that includes Marvel and DC- they certainly do quite a splendid job of assembling ensemble team casts which I would like to see more of in DW and they are pretty smart in how they manage non-intrusive story arcs. Not saying that DW should copy but it shouldnt exist in isolation and theres always things to learn.

I would wait and see before convincing yourself the worst is coming.

Oh and I would suggest you treat yourself to a Netflix membership and watch Daredevil and Jessica Jones. They are as far from vapid, empty, silly and 'comic book' as one could imagine.
Whoswho1
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Abomination:
“As much as I don't buy any of this for a minute, younger Doctor, comic thrills and Chris Chiball combined make me think of a series-spanning tone reminiscent of Dinosaurs on a Spaceship.
”

Ummhmmm.

Be afraid, Be very afraid,
Starsaboveme
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“Can't recall seeing that when I replied.

Is it just some random poster on the forum or was it written by someone who might actually know something?”

Not only was it just some random poster but (IIRC) said poster had made 3 posts since 2009, two of which had been locked by the mods more or less as soon as he posted them, so it seems he is known to them as a troll. It's nothing but shitstirring.
Whoswho1
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Starsaboveme:
“Not only was it just some random poster but (IIRC) said poster had made 3 posts since 2009, two of which had been locked by the mods more or less as soon as he posted them, so it seems he is known to them as a troll. It's nothing but shitstirring.”


It may very well be shitstirring, but something similar might very well come to past
Lord Smexy
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by doctor blue box:
“All I care about is whether or not the actor is a good actor and can do the role justice. Blantantly you will complain if a younger actor is chosen on the merit of their acting skills because you have shown yourself to be extremely ageist against younger actors taking the role.

Ageism sure is alive and well..with you.”

Actually it's more the "young and cute" type and a worry that the next Doctor will be chosen more for his looks than his skill. You seem convinced this is about dismissing Tennant's success by putting it down to his looks but I don't think anyone believes this: Tennant was successful because of his acting talent and because people loved his portrayal of the Doctor.
Sam_Gee1
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Lord Smexy:
“Actually it's more the "young and cute" type and a worry that the next Doctor will be chosen more for his looks than his skill. You seem convinced this is about dismissing Tennant's success by putting it down to his looks but I don't think anyone believes this: Tennant was successful because of his acting talent and because people loved his portrayal of the Doctor.”

Tennant is definitely a brilliant actor and a good choice, people's problems with him aren't down to Tennant, more the fact how he was written to fall in love with everyone and was too human. But that is probably because there was about 2 stories which weren't on earth.
Whoswho1
25-01-2016
Mirror article
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/p...or-who-7245477


BBC bosses expect Peter Capaldi to leave Doctor Who after the next series – when writer Steven Moffat also steps down.

The 57-year-old’s tenure as the 12th Doctor is likely to end in 2017.

When new chief Chris Chibnall, who created Broadchurch, begins a new era in series 11, it is thought he will also get to choose his own Time Lord.

A source on the BBC show said: “Bosses are already discussing a fresh start when Steven leaves.

“They’ve been happy with what Peter has brought to the role but some think it might make sense to give Chris his own choice of actor to play the Doctor.

PAPeter Capaldi and Steven MoffatCapaldi and Moffat together

“They hope he will be able to find someone who can have the same impact as Matt Smith did when Steven Moffat kicked off his run as executive producer.”
Tom Tit
25-01-2016
I'm not giving any credibility to some random, anonymous 'source' but the the sake of discussion...

The concept of Doctor Who being done in any particular, 'one way' is pretty alien to me. That's wasn't the case when the show started and it's rarely been the case since.

Who wants Doctor Who to have the same 'tone' and style every single week? Mullet, do you want that? Really? It sounds so boring to me.

What's wrong with a light episode one week, a deeper episode the following week, a frightening episode the next and so on... which is more or less what they try to do, whilst treating every episode with a somewhat homogenized overcoat to ensure it's suitably broad.

If there's no 'Heaven Sent' at some stage I'm likely to turn off. Not as some sort of 'stance' or principle but simply because I will lose interest. Likewise I'm sure those who prefer the lighter episodes would lose interest and stop watching without sufficient levity to the show.

One of the great things about Moffat is he is capable of great humour, great drama and complexity. It makes him the perfect Doctor Who writer for me.

Even if this source was accurate (and I give it zero credibility) I feel like such a guideline would instantly fall by the wayside as it is so limiting and narrow. A showrunner would be completely hamstrung by such a brief. A writer cannot write 5 scripts a year with a prescribed tonal brief and do his best work. He needs to have the freedom to apply his own style. And actually think Chibnall's style tends towards the more 'serious' end of the spectrum.

If there's any sense at the BBC they will give creative freedom to the showrunner.
Daniel Dare
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Whoswho1:
“maybe? probably?

Ageism is alive and well. Sad, but predictabe. Back to the young and cute fromula.

Gallifrey Base:

"The decision has already been taken to replace PC at the end of Season 10, when his contract is up and to cast a younger actor and that search is already underway,...The show is a flagship and the feeling is that it needs to be a vehicle for a young, British star or rising star - think Ben Whishaw (though it won't be Ben Whishaw) level of current visibility and age. There have also been various "tone" memos flying about, which would suggest that Chibnall has been advised to highlight the more "comic thrills" elements - meaning more Marvel type special powers type baddies of the week and a lighter feel to the jeopardy, whatever that means.'"”

Remind me how old is the lead in Stan Lee's Lucky Man?
Tom Tit
25-01-2016
Originally Posted by Daniel Dare:
“Remind me how old is the lead in Stan Lee's Lucky Man?”

Ah. The equation of Stan Lee with Marvel. He was a crafty one. But you should know that all of the famous Marvel characters were mostly created by Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko.
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