Winston gets slated yet Tiffany gets lauded for much worse

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reader123

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by muggins14:
“Your bib - this applies to many a show on TV, several of which appear way before the watershed and with very little warning and watched by many more millions than the paltry viewership of CBB.

I personally don't agree that anybody took liberties in what happened in last night's show, I did see a lot of consensual sexual play which perhaps wasn't to your taste (we were warned when the show started!) and that's fine, everybody's different, but I didn't see any liberties being taken. I haven't heard of any of the 3 participants making a formal complaint today so far.”

All I am saying it can sometimes give out the wrong message to some people. It might be ok for some which is fair enough and that is up to them and their opinions, but that is just simply my own opinion and certainly not based on my like/dislike of HM's.

reader123

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by muggins14:
“I see that Ofsted dismissed the complaints made regarding Winston's 'back to the wall remark'.

This does make me laugh "However, Ofcom are still assessing complaints made over shocking scenes aired last week that saw American star Tiffany Pollard mistakenly believe that fellow housemate David Gest had died." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz..._campaign=1490 Some people have way too much time on their hands ”

This one I agree with you,lol.

Skyrah

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by Paace:
“I just do not understand what seems to be a majority on this forum saying Tiffany was only having fun by opening the shower door to perve and grope the guys having a shower .

Only a short while ago Winston got slated on here for daring to look at Nancy in her night clothes . If I remember correctly he even got a warning from BB .

Have some got different standards for how women and men behave ?

I hope BB are consistent with their standards and issue Tiffany with a warning for her inappropriate behaviour .”

I don't condone Tiffany's behaviour one bit, but...

the difference is Nancy complained to BB where as ScottyT hasn't.

But I wouldn't like to be in her shoes when she walks out of the house & meets Megan

trevor tiger

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“I don't condone Tiffany's behaviour one bit, but...

the difference is Nancy complained to BB where as ScottyT hasn't.

But I wouldn't like to be in her shoes when she walks out of the house & meets Megan ”

Yeah because Megan thinks like many that Tiff is to blame and the self confessed player who instigated it all by fondling Tiff's breasts and nuzzling her isn't

JT Effect

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by KT_Dog:
“This is definitely the elephant in the room during these sorts of discussions and it's rarely brought up... Maybe because its a little too serious... Maybe because it complicates an otherwise trivial little argument... I'm not sure.

It is one of those notorious double-standard's. Though its an actual organic one rather than a constructed one. It's a truth, not a PC flag waving stance. I think that's probably why it gets side-stepped so much.

The problem is that generally speaking whenever the issue of 'equality' gets brought up, the example being looked at always has any sense of context or background social history boiled away from it, until its just two very flat statements without anything behind either.

In the case being presented on this thread it's basically skinned down to:

- A man perved on a woman.
- A woman perved on a man.

And that's it. That's what we're expected to engage with and respond to and anything contextual or sociological around it is thrown by the wayside.

Which is all well and good - but reduced to those two floating statements then there really is only one response... Yes, they're both bad, they should both be handled exactly the same way...

...unfortunately though you really can't strip things down to that level, its meaningless. The actual context of what's occured IS hugely relevant and to ignore it is to renders the discussion pointless.

I'm actually not as wanky a PC flag waver as I might come across sometimes! I remember having a conversation with some friends one night around the time of the "hashtag yes all women" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YesAllWomen) debate that raged across social media following a mass shooting in America where a young man had made several videos prior to the crime outlining how he was going to punish women for the fact he was still a virgin. As a man I found the campaign uncomfortable, I think I might even have used the term 'double-standards' and may have done the old "imagine if this had been the other way round" routine... And I remember one of my friends giving me the most simple response to my "Oh I thought you all wanted equality? Now you all hate men! Can't have it both ways!" speeches I've ever heard. She just simply pointed to one of other friends with us and said,

"Sarah's going to go home in a couple of hours... She's walking... And when she gets home she'll text me to tell me she got back okay. Because whenever any of us walk home at night by ourselves we always do... Will you text your mate to tell him you got home okay? Have you ever done that? Do you ever even have to think about that? We do. Always."

And of course she was right. I wouldn't text my mate. He wouldn't text me. It wouldn't even occur to us to do that - because as much as we're as likely to get hit by a bus or get mugged as a woman, we simply don't have that 'other danger' floating over us as well...

So, as I say, it's a double-standard that isn't chosen - its one that just is. And that context is always there, you can't just throw it out and ignore it... I don't even think you can fix it.. It's unfixable really. It'll always be there. Men acting inappropriate with women carries a much much bigger and wider set of historical bags with it than women acting inappropriate with men.”

Fantastic post, K T Dog - thank you so much for taking the trouble to point all this out. My OH says that when he's walking home late at night and comes across a lone female walking in the same direction he'll cross the street and hang back until she gets way ahead or take a detour, so as not to make the female feel worried she's being followed, something he wouldn't think about doing if it were a man.

Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Just watch how many posters will completely ignore these two excellent, excellent posts. The truth can be very uncomfortable when posters are caught up in the frenzy of favourite/least favourite waffling.”

Indeed!

Bless You

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by reader123:
“I disapprove of what Scotty and Tiff both did, they should of both been reprimanded to be honest. There is having fun which I am all for, but to behave inappropriately on TV could send out the message that this is acceptable behaviour when it is not.
I just hate what kind of message that sends out especially when something like that may of happened to you.

Have fun and a laugh I am all for and even prefer it to all the rows, should be more laughter and more fun IMO, but don't behave inappropriately and take liberties and that goes for everyone in the house.”

I'm sorry but I just find this bizarre. BB is shown after the watershed. Hell, they've even had to resort to adding warnings, which imo is ludicrous! This is BB, it has always been trash tv.

Bless You

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Just watch how many posters will completely ignore these two excellent, excellent posts. The truth can be very uncomfortable when posters are caught up in the frenzy of favourite/least favourite waffling.”

Or maybe...all they can think of to say is 'I agree' so they don't bother...

And talking of getting caught up in a frenzy, you had your mission last time with that James fella.

Eurostar

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“I don't condone Tiffany's behaviour one bit, but...

the difference is Nancy complained to BB where as ScottyT hasn't.

But I wouldn't like to be in her shoes when she walks out of the house & meets Megan ”

And the case against Winston was never actually proven. I found it amazing he was issued with a warning when there didn't seem to be any evidence to back it up other than Nancy claiming to Big Brother in the DR that Winston "made her feel uncomfortable". It seems a bit off that he could have have his name smeared as a lecher and a sex pest when even BB couldn't find much video evidence to back this up.

Arthur_B

26-01-2016

It's down to the person on the receiving end. Nancy expressed how uncomfortable Winston made her feel. Same with Joel last year regarding Arron and Chloe Goodman regarding Jeremy. With Tiffany, Scotty and Jeremy weren't remotely uncomfortable - in fact, they lapped it up. So no, it's not double standards.

mrblank

26-01-2016

another difference between tiffany and winston is she wasnt seleted as a HM to be thrown under a bus

reader123

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by Bless You:
“I'm sorry but I just find this bizarre. BB is shown after the watershed. Hell, they've even had to resort to adding warnings, which imo is ludicrous! This is BB, it has always been trash tv.”

No need to apologise at all.

reader123

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by mrblank:
“another difference between tiffany and winston is she wasnt seleted as a HM to be thrown under a bus”

That is a good point.

Dr Z

26-01-2016

You have to get your head around 21st century Britain - Racism, Sexism, Homophobia trump anything else.

i.e. Which is more serious - Murdering a bus full of nuns, or saying something that a gay person might find offensive?

Now, of course logic says go with the Nuns, but you can bet your ass that the latter would provoke more disgust.

Right on man!

trevor tiger

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“You have to get your head around 21st century Britain - Racism, Sexism, Homophobia trump anything else.

i.e. Which is more serious - Murdering a bus full of nuns, or saying something that a gay person might find offensive?

Now, of course logic says go with the Nuns, but you can bet your ass that the latter would provoke more disgust.

Right on man!”

I'm finding it hard to relate this to the conversation here. I'm assuming Winston is the one saying something offensive about homosexuals so is Tiff the nun murderer

Eurostar

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by Arthur_B:
“It's down to the person on the receiving end. Nancy expressed how uncomfortable Winston made her feel. Same with Joel last year regarding Arron and Chloe Goodman regarding Jeremy. With Tiffany, Scotty and Jeremy weren't remotely uncomfortable - in fact, they lapped it up. So no, it's not double standards.”

I would have thought BB would have needed more evidence than someone saying "so and so makes me feel uncomfortable" to issue the other person with a warning. Winston sounded quite incredulous when the accusation was put to him and there seemed to be little or no video evidence from BB to back up what Nancy was saying.

Dr Z

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I'm finding it hard to relate this to the conversation here. I'm assuming Winston is the one saying something offensive about homosexuals so is Tiff the nun murderer ”

No - the point is, Winston broke the Holy Code, NOTHING Tiff could do* could possibly be as appalling.

(*Unless it was Racist, Sexist, Homophobic)

muggins14

26-01-2016

How do you solve a problem like Stephanie?

muggins14

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by Bless You:
“Or maybe...all they can think of to say is 'I agree' so they don't bother...”

Indeed, it was a great post. Can't think of much else to say but 'I agree'

I like to do as I'm told, obedient to the last

KT_Dog

26-01-2016

The good doctor gets very distressed about people being outraged over his 'big three' Trevor and believes we should now be living in a world where (to quote one of his previous examples from earlier in the series) mocking someone for having big feet should result in exactly the same proportional anger from everyone as using a racial slur would have.

sorcha_healy27

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by Dr Z:
“No - the point is, Winston broke the Holy Code, NOTHING Tiff could do* could possibly be as appalling.

(*Unless it was Racist, Sexist, Homophobic)”

Yes of course Winston was worse than Tiffany.

Arthur_B

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“I would have thought BB would have needed more evidence than someone saying "so and so makes me feel uncomfortable" to issue the other person with a warning. Winston sounded quite incredulous when the accusation was put to him and there seemed to be little or no video evidence from BB to back up what Nancy was saying.”

And that's based on what - the edited highlight show? More may have gone on for all we know.

benjamini

26-01-2016

I kinda agree with you here. Why is it always a laugh and fun when it's a girl doing it and always perving when it's a guy ?
Perhaps guys quite enjoy it and women don't . Or perhaps it all depends on who is doing it ? But interesting point OP

Flo71

26-01-2016

TBF it wasn't clear whether she did touch him or not in the shower, if she did not sure how it's any different to Steph and Jeremy touching and snogging in the same bed whilst there are others in close proximity.

patsylimerick

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by Bless You:
“Or maybe...all they can think of to say is 'I agree' so they don't bother...

And talking of getting caught up in a frenzy, you had your mission last time with that James fella. ”

The difference between this year and last is that the offensive thug was on course for the win - a fact I spotted from more or less the get go. This year, the offensive witch hasn't a hope of winning, so it's not worth the bother. She's well and truly rumbled.

On a side note, if there's one thing that I find incredibly tiresome it's people who can't let old conflict go when new series' start. Get over it.

sorcha_healy27

26-01-2016

Originally Posted by benjamini:
“I kinda agree with you here. Why is it always a laugh and fun when it's a girl doing it and always perving when it's a guy ?
Perhaps guys quite enjoy it and women don't . Or perhaps it all depends on who is doing it ? But interesting point OP”

That's not true at all..look at what happened to Aaron and Joel last year.

If Scotty T had been uncomfortable it would have been condemned. However given his actions in sticking his head between tiffs Breasts it's safe to say it was consensual and mutual.

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