Stirring is stirring no matter how you dress it up, one is not better than the other

BIB - he also denied his involvement in 'Pigeon Sh*t-Gate', saying he would never degrade a young girl like that when he really stirred all that up.

Plus nomming Darren for his own good.

He's not the worst in there, but he's done a few things in there that have made me not like or indeed trust him that much.

John was at it again last night talking to the other stirrer (Gemma) about Tiffany, 'Is she real? I think now she thinks she has to be somebody else, y'know. Is the somebody else she needs to be... is it the really vulnerable person? Is that gonna do her...is that what's...I dunno'.

I do t actually hate John, just don't think he is any "better" than a lot of them even though he is the most articulate and exoerienced.

Did like the way he handled the Winston debacle.

She is to us, but she's not in the house, it took them all quite a while to actually grasp what she was doing, apart from John, Steph and the older ones that have gone early.

YES! that was all very odd, and nothing seem to come of it, it was like a scene from an odd play on BBC4

I had hoped to like him but he is just to much of a b**chy person for me to like.

That's not stirring, that's him expressing him view on someone. (and he was right)

Was Chris stirring the other night when he told Darren he thought Gemma was playing Danni?

I'm not surprised after the chat she had with him in the bathroom and the way she's suddenly started being someone else in the last couple of days lol.

The darren thing . The "ARGGHH PIGEON SHIT! NAME AND SHAME !" screaming thing .Followed/linked to him running in to spread the news in the bedroom .Then blatantly denying it all to tiffers with lofty declarations of total innocence .AND in that conversation he clearly offered to form a little two person protection thing with tiffers Personally I don't mind hms teaming up sometimes but it was weird seeing mr morals doing that. Hinting they should help each other and how strong they could be together .
Aesthetically his eyebrows look satanic and I cannot stand how he drapes his dressing gown slightly off his shoulders in a soft porn pose while leaving it open to his waist to display his manly hair and chesticles .It looks ridiculously contrived and is laughably not in the least sexy looking .

I'm still trying to decipher what you've written

But the gist of it I can make out is that John is no longer allowed to have an opinion let alone voice it.

He is far superior to the rest of the housemates - has a fantastic talent and a brain which the others lack. John is my winner and I don't think he has been any worse than any of the others and in many cases he is far better as he doesn't get too involved in the arguments. When he does, he is able to put his case without shouting or losing his temper. I hope he wins.

well considering John is Gay, I doubt very much if he cares whether you think it looks sexy or not

Don't blame me, it's what John said to Gemma, he was insinuating that Tiffany is acting for the cameras. Nothing wrong with that, but if you say it behind someone's back it's called bitching - it would be the same if Tiffany had told Gemma that John was being fake.

Fair enough, the eyebrows thing etc. quoted above made me literally laugh out loud, I shall take a good look tonight!

John is indeed intelligent and talented which is why he is an expert at making the. Bullets for others to fire while he stands back dusting his hands . Sorry but I'm not keen . He is always in the mix when there is bitching to be done . So dissapointed in him .

But Tiffany is acting up for the cameras, he was stating the obvious. You have to be a complete moron not to notice.

So just as I thought, unless you're in someone's face "telling it as it is" you're bitching, stirring etc etc??

Actually majority of the "bitching" is done by Gemma & Daniella and sometimes Tiffany joins in

Was it not Daniella who started the "she needs to go" initially with Angie in the belief it was a cruel prank and then Tiffany.

I don't really blame any on them - it was an emotive time and Tiffany acted like an arse even when it was explained what had happened.

Can you give some examples of this?

I disagree with that statement .
Stirring openly gives those being stirred against a chance to see what they are up against . Sly stirring in the bathroom trying to form pacts behind everyone's backs is invisible to the victim so he/she has no way of confronting the stirrer .
Gemma stirs mostly openly as well as sometimes behind back . John does it sneakily .

I do agree with you , but of the guys he is head and shoulders winner in the mixing bitching stakes, quickly followed by his paternal fatherly advice. Sorry don't buy it.

Knickers !

It may be obvious in your opinion, but not in Gemma's. You may have to look up the definition of bitching, it doesn't necessarily mean lying.