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I personally feel that interest in Doctor Who is waining again, my son was ridiculed for watching it at school which probably goes some way with his decision to stop.
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Will it be missed - No
I have personally enjoyed the Moffatt era but do feelt hat his time has come to a natural end and he shouldn't return for the Xmas special. I'm not entirely on Peter myself or his verion of the Doctor. I have to say, I agree with this. The long absence is all very well.... but all we have to look forward to is more of the same. Same Doctor (for better or worse love him or hate him), same showrunner. I don't think a new companion is enough of a pull to get people back who have now abandoned the series altogether. I think the only way it would be rejuvenated is with Chris Chibnalls era beginning with, dare I say, a new doctor. Of course, that isnt on the cards until at least 2018. |
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I for one (& im sorry to say this) am not as excited about the return of the show next year as some are. Yes i will still watch. Yes i do like peter capaldi as the doctor, but i cant help feeling (& this is just me IMO), but i think the show hasnt been as good as classic who since it returned 10 years ago.
I think its because i was brought up on 4 part stories. I really dont like this single episode thingy. Stories are rushed IMO. The writing is not the same as it used to be. Dr 10 falling in love for instance & all that - oh please!! Followed by every doctor now has to kiss his companions. No no no!! As i said i will still watch. But i just cant get excited about the show as much as i used to. |
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I for one (& im sorry to say this) am not as excited about the return of the show next year as some are. Yes i will still watch. Yes i do like peter capaldi as the doctor, but i cant help feeling (& this is just me IMO), but i think the show hasnt been as good as classic who since it returned 10 years ago.
I think its because i was brought up on 4 part stories. I really dont like this single episode thingy. Stories are rushed IMO. The writing is not the same as it used to be. Dr 10 falling in love for instance & all that - oh please!! Followed by every doctor now has to kiss his companions. No no no!! As i said i will still watch. But i just cant get excited about the show as much as i used to. |
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I for one (& im sorry to say this) am not as excited about the return of the show next year as some are. Yes i will still watch. Yes i do like peter capaldi as the doctor, but i cant help feeling (& this is just me IMO), but i think the show hasnt been as good as classic who since it returned 10 years ago.
I think its because i was brought up on 4 part stories. I really dont like this single episode thingy. Stories are rushed IMO. The writing is not the same as it used to be. Dr 10 falling in love for instance & all that - oh please!! Followed by every doctor now has to kiss his companions. No no no!! As i said i will still watch. But i just cant get excited about the show as much as i used to. the long break isnt helping - hence my thread as I'm interested if others think so. I too was brought up on 4 parters, although I'm not as convinced as you are that these are the best format. On re-watch of a few old stories, sometimes the pace is really slow. Like it or not in this day and age the 45 minute format is the most common. I think that series 9 got it wrong though. There were too many 2 parters. I think that a couple across the run of 13 episodes works well. The downside of series 9 is that it just felt so short to me. We only really got 5 stories - Daleks, Underwater Base, Ashilda, Zygons, Sleepy Monsters, and the Final trilogy. I would have preferred to see more distinct stories making up a season. I hope series 10 (still a year away!!) gets the balance right. |
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Me personally, i loved the 4+ parts in an episode. I don't mind a slower pace at all, as generally the story doesn't feel rushed at all, and allows you to connect to the characters better. It gives more time to explore the ideas. And as each episode was roughly 20 minutes with a cliffhanger, it forced action and a climax so the pace didn't become too slow.
And with 45 minute episodes, it is harder to get the balance, and i feel it creates more inconsistency within the series as it is more hit and miss. That isn't to say i don't enjoy the 45 minute episodes, but i feel Doctor Who is better suited to have a few 2 parters in a season. |
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Me personally, i loved the 4+ parts in an episode. I don't mind a slower pace at all, as generally the story doesn't feel rushed at all, and allows you to connect to the characters better. It gives more time to explore the ideas. And as each episode was roughly 20 minutes with a cliffhanger, it forced action and a climax so the pace didn't become too slow.
And with 45 minute episodes, it is harder to get the balance, and i feel it creates more inconsistency within the series as it is more hit and miss. That isn't to say i don't enjoy the 45 minute episodes, but i feel Doctor Who is better suited to have a few 2 parters in a season. |
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One of the things I loved about Classic Who and its slower place was that almost every place that was visited was fleshed out enough that it felt like it existed independantly outside of the show and would still be there once the TARDIS left (supposing everyone had survived). You don't really get that with modern pacing because everything has to move along so fast, the worlds we see are just fleeting backdrops.
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I think 50 or 60 minute episodes with no more than 2 or 3 two parters in a season would be the ideal format.
A lot of 45 minute episodes do work, but there are quite a few that could have done with an additional 5 or 10 minutes (The Power of Three) or even spread over two parts (Victory of the Daleks). (Then again there's at least 1 two parter (The Rebel Flesh / The Almost People) that struggled to fill both episodes). |
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A year is a bad length of time for a hiatus. It's not long enough for people to really miss the show but long enough for people, especially the younger audience, to forget about the series. A year is a long time for a 10-year old.
Frankly, imo, they should have split this series between Moffat and Chibnall as joint showrunners to get it into 2016. |
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There is also an OVERUSE of the daleks. As a kid (during tom baker & onwards) a dalek (& cybermen) story was a treat - something you talked about the next day & looked forward to the next one a few years later.
There is also an overuse of the tardis. Classic who saw the dr & companion(s) arrive on a planet or old, modern &/or future earth & it stay there until the last minute of part 4 or whatever. The dr & his companion(s) had a kind of professional relationship. None of this falling in love, hugs & kisses rubbish. I agree with what others have said about the 4 parters - they did indeed allow the story to develop & you did get to know each character & relate, like or dislike them. In new who & even with a 2 part 45 minute programme, i have often had to rewind a certain scene to try & remember who a certain character is. Dont get me wrong i love watching dr who which i have watched since 1974, but like with most shows & tv programmes, the remake isnt as good. & i personally believe new who to not be as good as the classic. I remember watching the 1st episode in 2005 & thinking "is that it" when the episode was completed in 45 minutes. It gave no time IMO to properly tell a story. I remember watching the interview with RTD afterwards & him saying that we have decided to do away with the 4 parters, but IMO this is what dr who is. It is a story telling sci-fi show, not a standalone like star trek for instance. |
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There is also an OVERUSE of the daleks. .
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There is also an OVERUSE of the daleks. As a kid (during tom baker & onwards) a dalek (& cybermen) story was a treat - something you talked about the next day & looked forward to the next one a few years later.
There is also an overuse of the tardis. Classic who saw the dr & companion(s) arrive on a planet or old, modern &/or future earth & it stay there until the last minute of part 4 or whatever. The dr & his companion(s) had a kind of professional relationship. None of this falling in love, hugs & kisses rubbish. I agree with what others have said about the 4 parters - they did indeed allow the story to develop & you did get to know each character & relate, like or dislike them. In new who & even with a 2 part 45 minute programme, i have often had to rewind a certain scene to try & remember who a certain character is. Dont get me wrong i love watching dr who which i have watched since 1974, but like with most shows & tv programmes, the remake isnt as good. & i personally believe new who to not be as good as the classic. I remember watching the 1st episode in 2005 & thinking "is that it" when the episode was completed in 45 minutes. It gave no time IMO to properly tell a story. I remember watching the interview with RTD afterwards & him saying that we have decided to do away with the 4 parters, but IMO this is what dr who is. It is a story telling sci-fi show, not a standalone like star trek for instance. |
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Yes Urgh The Daleks are too overused, literally cringed at that Dalek short to introduce the new companion, it was like something you'd see on Comic Relief.
Steering back a little on topic.... Yes the Dalek short was a bit weird - though I suppose they did that as a novel way of introducing a character knowing full well that we aren't really going to see her for another year on screen - unless she is in the Christmas special. Not sure I like the sound of 'we are needed in 2017' or whatever he said - hinting that she will be in series 10 but not before. I would be surprised if she wasnt introduced in the Christmas special but the 'skit' is something they haven't done before. I think she needs a proper introduction and we need to see who she is and why she chose to travel with the Doctor. Remember how unsatisfying Mel's introduction was not knowing who she was or where she came from. So, the skit was designed to give us a little bit of live action as a carrot to dangle in the long abyss of 2016
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The Dr Who star is definitely waning, the buzz of excitement just isn't there anymore - what do you expect after a 10 year run. It doesn't seem to cut it like it used to. I wonder how many specifically tuned in last Saturday for the reveal - not many I'll wager, and it seems an odd thing to crowbar into the middle of a football match!
Stories are messy and the show is imho now drowning over its own history and mythology - and also the mistaken believe it needs to compete with US shows/movies - but doesn't have the budget. Who is at its best when it is intimate, clever, and needs a bit od suspense / danger, with the Dr on the back foot a bit more often. Nature abhors a vacuum, casual viewers will fill their time in other ways, and there are other programmes and films out there of a similar genre. Star Wars is being introduced to a whole new generation, a new Star Trek film, and series. Plenty of superhero nonsense and programmes like GoT all contribute to make that quaint little British show seem dated... |
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The Dr Who star is definitely waning, the buzz of excitement just isn't there anymore - what do you expect after a 10 year run. It doesn't seem to cut it like it used to. I wonder how many specifically tuned in last Saturday for the reveal - not many I'll wager, and it seems an odd thing to crowbar into the middle of a football match!
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2. Merchandising. I was in a Forbidden Planet store the other day and all the Dr Who Merchandise has disappeared off the shelves. There are no new toys on the horizon.
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Is that really a new thing though? It kind of happened to me when I was at school, and my dad used to get bullied for it too. :P
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Not at all. I teach boys from 11-18 and I've definitely seen a dip in the level of interest where it was quite open before. When the 11 year olds were given an opportunity to make a story on the topic of their choice, we used to always get some DW stories and no other students batted an eyelash because it was a thing most of them watched. I haven't seen anyone use DW as a theme in a good couple of years though. Again, it's comics and Star Wars and games.
That said, though, it still seems really popular at my little brother's school and a lot of his friends have just gotten into it, and the school even held a Doctor Who-themed competition (he won a copy of S9 signed personally from Peter Capaldi to him... I've been trying to contain my jealousy). |
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Well, it's been almost a week now, and I still can't go many places on the internet without hearing about the once-unknown Pearl Mackie joining Doctor Who.
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So you've visited the whole of the Internet and every website has mention of the new Companion. Wow!
Wow! That's obviously such a representative and statistically significant sample that everyone in the world must be thinking the same thing! ![]() Obviously it's doomed. |
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So you've visited the whole of the Internet and every website has mention of the new Companion. Wow!
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Interest does seem to be waning sadly.
Whether that's because kids are 'growing out of it' (which I never did ) or people just haven't connected with the latter series' storylines/doctor....I just hope this gap isn't a mortal blow from which the show never recovers. As I said before its almost a shame that its not coming back with a big new draw - that being a new show runner, or new Doctor. For those who have lost interest they will have no reason to give it another go and try again in spring 2017. Now, this might be a bit controversial... but OK, Chibnall will get his own series 11 in 2018 - at least we can breathe a collective sigh of relief that we are most likely getting another 2 series.... but imagine that series 11 starts with a new doctor - that new doctor could well be the last actor to take on the role for quite some time if the show gets 'rested' soon after due to falling ratings. Oh thats pessimistic eh!! sorry! |
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Interest does seem to be waning sadly.
Whether that's because kids are 'growing out of it' (which I never did ) or people just haven't connected with the latter series' storylines/doctor....I just hope this gap isn't a mortal blow from which the show never recovers. As I said before its almost a shame that its not coming back with a big new draw - that being a new show runner, or new Doctor. For those who have lost interest they will have no reason to give it another go and try again in spring 2017. Now, this might be a bit controversial... but OK, Chibnall will get his own series 11 in 2018 - at least we can breathe a collective sigh of relief that we are most likely getting another 2 series.... but imagine that series 11 starts with a new doctor - that new doctor could well be the last actor to take on the role for quite some time if the show gets 'rested' soon after due to falling ratings. Oh thats pessimistic eh!! sorry! |
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