There's yet more interesting discussion to be found here:
https://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/ind...ebra-crossing/
https://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/ind...ebra-crossing/
Zebra crossing rage
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Originally Posted by Galaxy266:
“There's yet more interesting discussion to be found here:
https://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/ind...ebra-crossing/”
“There's yet more interesting discussion to be found here:
https://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/ind...ebra-crossing/”
Very interesting thanks
Originally Posted by Galaxy266:
“Here we go again!
You must give way to pedestrians who are crossing. There's nothing in law, or anywhere else for that matter, that says you have to wait for the crossing to be completely clear before moving off.
The Highway Code, of course, only deals with perfect situations. If I'm approaching a pedestrian crossing and intending to stop, I will do so in good time, whether pedestrians are already on the crossing or waiting on the kerb waiting to cross. Once I have stopped they may cross.
I would treat the situation with common-sense, as I would any other road user encounter. If the pedestrian(s) is/are crossing the road and they are well clear of my vehicle then I will proceed. I'm perfectly entitled to do this. I have to give way to pedestrians on the crossing and this I have clearly done. If someone drops something on the road surface while crossing I will expect them to return to pick it up, in which case I wouldn't dream of moving off until they had done so. If I'd seen them drop something and they hadn't realised they had done so I would probably give them a warning "Toot" on my horn; not a blast, just a small toot, just to attract their attention. It won't say that in the Highway Code!
It's not rocket science, it's common sense!”
“Here we go again!
You must give way to pedestrians who are crossing. There's nothing in law, or anywhere else for that matter, that says you have to wait for the crossing to be completely clear before moving off.
The Highway Code, of course, only deals with perfect situations. If I'm approaching a pedestrian crossing and intending to stop, I will do so in good time, whether pedestrians are already on the crossing or waiting on the kerb waiting to cross. Once I have stopped they may cross.
I would treat the situation with common-sense, as I would any other road user encounter. If the pedestrian(s) is/are crossing the road and they are well clear of my vehicle then I will proceed. I'm perfectly entitled to do this. I have to give way to pedestrians on the crossing and this I have clearly done. If someone drops something on the road surface while crossing I will expect them to return to pick it up, in which case I wouldn't dream of moving off until they had done so. If I'd seen them drop something and they hadn't realised they had done so I would probably give them a warning "Toot" on my horn; not a blast, just a small toot, just to attract their attention. It won't say that in the Highway Code!
It's not rocket science, it's common sense!”
I disagree but since we are not in a court it doesn't matter. I am not saying that your argument does not describe the common sense way of dealing with it but that I believe on my interpretation of the statues and code that a car should legally be stopped until nobody is on that pedestrian crossing.
Never drive over a crossing when a pedestrian is still on it. If they fall for any reason, you'll end up getting the blame.
What's the rule here? You're approaching a crossing controlled by lights and some kid has pushed the button but walked on without crossing, the lights turn red but there is nobody crossing, do you sit like a twit or would you carefully go through the red?
Originally Posted by dellzincht:
“Why are people discussing lights? The OP is talking about zebra crossings, not pelican crossings.”
“Why are people discussing lights? The OP is talking about zebra crossings, not pelican crossings.”
Does it really matter? It's not like someone started talking about ice cream or something totally unconnected is it?
Originally Posted by jimbo1962:
“What's the rule here? You're approaching a crossing controlled by lights and some kid has pushed the button but walked on without crossing, the lights turn red but there is nobody crossing, do you sit like a twit or would you carefully go through the red?”
“What's the rule here? You're approaching a crossing controlled by lights and some kid has pushed the button but walked on without crossing, the lights turn red but there is nobody crossing, do you sit like a twit or would you carefully go through the red?”
I think legally you shouldn't go through a red light for any reason but yes that is annoying when someone finds it funny to press the button and then walks off.
Originally Posted by jimbo1962:
“What's the rule here? You're approaching a crossing controlled by lights and some kid has pushed the button but walked on without crossing, the lights turn red but there is nobody crossing, do you sit like a twit or would you carefully go through the red?”
“What's the rule here? You're approaching a crossing controlled by lights and some kid has pushed the button but walked on without crossing, the lights turn red but there is nobody crossing, do you sit like a twit or would you carefully go through the red?”
If there are cameras fitted, it doesn't matter that nobody is actually crossing the road. It will still take a picture of your number plate and u would still get a bill in the post.
Originally Posted by dellzincht:
“Why are people discussing lights? The OP is talking about zebra crossings, not pelican crossings.”
“Why are people discussing lights? The OP is talking about zebra crossings, not pelican crossings.”
Simply because the same sort of things happen with pelican crossings, as in some people driving through red lights.
Originally Posted by chrisjr:
“They are separate crossings. See rule 20 (can't link directly so just scroll down from this)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-high...1-to-35#rule19
The diagram in that rule seems to imply that vehicles on the "clear" half of the crossing can drive over it.”
“They are separate crossings. See rule 20 (can't link directly so just scroll down from this)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-high...1-to-35#rule19
The diagram in that rule seems to imply that vehicles on the "clear" half of the crossing can drive over it.”
For zebra crossings, but not pelican crossings, according to below.
Best to stop if you are not sure. It will only cost you a few seconds of your precious time.
Then to add to complications, you've also got puffin, toucan and Pegasus crossings.
Originally Posted by wikipedia:
“In United Kingdom law[citation needed], pelican crossings that go straight across the road are defined as a single crossing, even when there is a central island. Therefore, traffic in both directions must wait until pedestrians have finished crossing and the signal is green or flashing amber. This rule is different from similar standard pedestrian crossings where each portion of the crossing is treated as a separate crossing. However, at installations where the crossings that cross each carriageway are separate crossings, the crossing is staggered.”
“In United Kingdom law[citation needed], pelican crossings that go straight across the road are defined as a single crossing, even when there is a central island. Therefore, traffic in both directions must wait until pedestrians have finished crossing and the signal is green or flashing amber. This rule is different from similar standard pedestrian crossings where each portion of the crossing is treated as a separate crossing. However, at installations where the crossings that cross each carriageway are separate crossings, the crossing is staggered.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelican_crossing
Originally Posted by dee123:
“*Yawn* i was waiting for the "blame the pedestrians" comment. Congrats that it's you.”
“*Yawn* i was waiting for the "blame the pedestrians" comment. Congrats that it's you.”
Yes, it's never the car drivers fault, always pedestrians and/or cyclists. Many car drivers think they own the road and sod everybody else.
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“Pretty sure if it's not completely clear and you are on your test it is an instant failure.”
“Pretty sure if it's not completely clear and you are on your test it is an instant failure.”
It’s highly unlikely that the same pedestrian on the crossing will suddenly be coming back the other direction after having already crossed the centre point of the crossing.
Originally Posted by jra:
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Yes, it's never the car drivers fault, always pedestrians and/or cyclists. Many car drivers think they own the road and sod everybody else.”
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Yes, it's never the car drivers fault, always pedestrians and/or cyclists. Many car drivers think they own the road and sod everybody else.”
Of course there are bad motorists, however there are also bad pedestrians and bad cyclists.
A pedestrian walks across a junction without looking and gets hit by a car turning left for example. I can guarantee who would be getting blamed and it wouldn't be the pedestrian.
Do they even teach the green cross code in schools any more?
Originally Posted by Mr_Bee:
“Do they even teach the green cross code in schools any more?”
“Do they even teach the green cross code in schools any more?”
I've no idea, but obviously people can buy a couple of the latest highway code.
Useful for everyone, not just vehicle users.
Originally Posted by Mr_Bee:
“A pedestrian walks across a junction without looking and gets hit by a car turning left for example. I can guarantee who would be getting blamed and it wouldn't be the pedestrian.”
“A pedestrian walks across a junction without looking and gets hit by a car turning left for example. I can guarantee who would be getting blamed and it wouldn't be the pedestrian.”
The car is supposed to give way, so a defensive driving approach should avoid the scenario.
Originally Posted by Mr_Bee:
“Of course there are bad motorists, however there are also bad pedestrians and bad cyclists.
A pedestrian walks across a junction without looking and gets hit by a car turning left for example. I can guarantee who would be getting blamed and it wouldn't be the pedestrian.
Do they even teach the green cross code in schools any more?”
“Of course there are bad motorists, however there are also bad pedestrians and bad cyclists.
A pedestrian walks across a junction without looking and gets hit by a car turning left for example. I can guarantee who would be getting blamed and it wouldn't be the pedestrian.
Do they even teach the green cross code in schools any more?”
Whether the pedestrian was paying attention is irrelevant.
Unless they have suddenly leapt into the road, if you drive your car into a pedestrian you are obviously liable for any injury, including death. Of course, if a pedestrian walks into the side of your car the shoe is on the other foot, and the pedestrian is liable for any damage.
You can see the difference, right?
As with all such situations, most people behave with decency and common sense, but a few are dangerous idiots, and just one time (out of many) can cause injury or death ........
I always wait till certain vehicle is slowing, then cross ''fairly quickly'' out of politeness ........
Originally Posted by david16:
“It’s highly unlikely that the same pedestrian on the crossing will suddenly be coming back the other direction after having already crossed the centre point of the crossing.”
“It’s highly unlikely that the same pedestrian on the crossing will suddenly be coming back the other direction after having already crossed the centre point of the crossing.”
Not that unlikely if travelling with pets or children and one could drop a ball or for any other reason turn around and run and if the moving cars hits them or me trying to reach them tnen that driver would be the one in the wrong
Originally Posted by david16:
“It’s highly unlikely that the same pedestrian on the crossing will suddenly be coming back the other direction after having already crossed the centre point of the crossing.”
“It’s highly unlikely that the same pedestrian on the crossing will suddenly be coming back the other direction after having already crossed the centre point of the crossing.”
Not round here it isn't! On my route to my previous job I had to pass a zebra crossing by a school. The kids liked to annoy drivers by getting halfway and turning back, they were even known to lie down across it, which was ridiculously dangerous! It could take up to 5 minutes to get past because of them messing around.
If you have issues to the extent where you can't wait for a pedestrian to cross a crossing, you shouldn't be driving.
(Not aimed at previous poster.)
(Not aimed at previous poster.)
If a pedestrian has issues to the extent they cannot cross a crossing safely without randomly doubling back on themselves perhaps they should not be anywhere near a road at all?
[quote=gomezz;81340696]If a pedestrian has issues to the extent they cannot cross a crossing safely without randomly doubling back on themselves perhaps they should not be anywhere near a road at allL.
Drivers are supposed to drive considering all possible hazards and act accordingly.
Drivers are supposed to drive considering all possible hazards and act accordingly.
Originally Posted by spiney2:
“I always wait till certain vehicle is slowing, then cross ''fairly quickly'' out of politeness ........”
“I always wait till certain vehicle is slowing, then cross ''fairly quickly'' out of politeness ........”
I do this, I practically break into a run so they don't have to wait long!
Originally Posted by Natgar:
“Drivers are supposed to drive considering all possible hazards and act accordingly.”
“Drivers are supposed to drive considering all possible hazards and act accordingly.”
Indeed. Two body lengths is more than enough of a wide berth to give a dozy pedestrian. More than they get when walking on many pavements and could step out randomly into the road without looking.
I don't get why anyone would wait until it is completely clear. If a person is crossing left to right, you wait for them to go in front of you, then once they cross the centre line of the road you proceed. Why on earth would you wait for them to carry on crossing the other side of the road? It's common sense! If there is someone crossing right to left, then yes, you wait.
I hate to stoke the fire a bit more (well, not really, it could be fun 
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I was once knocked down on a pelican crossing while the lights were on red and the green man was on. By a cyclist!
He completely ignored the red light (and me) and just rode into me bundling me to the floor, luckily I was fine, but he didn't even shout sorry, never mind stop!
)I was once knocked down on a pelican crossing while the lights were on red and the green man was on. By a cyclist!
He completely ignored the red light (and me) and just rode into me bundling me to the floor, luckily I was fine, but he didn't even shout sorry, never mind stop!
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