DS Forums

 
 

American Presidential Election 2016 Thread


Closed Thread
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 17-12-2016, 19:44
Fried Kickin
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: 🇬🇧
Posts: 54,252
Do you think trump will be unpresidented by the electoral college?
No..But I do think people are purposely misrepresenting the pun
Fried Kickin is offline  
Please sign in or register to remove this advertisement.
Old 17-12-2016, 19:44
BigDaveX
Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 752
Do you think trump will be unpresidented by the electoral college?
That didn't happen when George W. Bush just barely eked out Al Gore in the electoral vote, it's sure as heck not going to happen after Trump curbstomped Clinton in that regard.
BigDaveX is online now  
Old 17-12-2016, 19:49
Dotheboyshall
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 9,328
No..But I do think people are purposely misrepresenting the pun
Or don't understand the reference, I note it's been untweeted by trump, guess he can't stand the mockery either
Dotheboyshall is offline  
Old 17-12-2016, 20:06
batdude_uk1
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 69,237
1. The people aren't going to get the president that they voted for.
2. Trump's power will be weakened by not having a moral mandate.
What is this "moral mandate"?? There is simply no such thing, he of course has a mandate, and a huge one at that, due to how big the gap was in the only numbers that matter, the electoral college votes, no other numbers matter one iota except them.

The people are getting the President that they voted for, as he won by a landslide.
batdude_uk1 is offline  
Old 17-12-2016, 20:54
John259
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK
Posts: 14,292
What is this "moral mandate"?? There is simply no such thing
I realise that Trump supporters aren't familiar with the concept, or more likely just pretend not to be.

It means governing with the support of the majority of the people, rather than without their consent.

as he won by a landslide.
In electoral college terms he won but not by much, certainly not remotely by a landslide. In popular vote terms he lost by a considerable amount.
John259 is offline  
Old 17-12-2016, 21:10
James2001
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 27,530
In electoral college terms he won but not by much, certainly not remotely by a landslide. In popular vote terms he lost by a considerable amount.
The definition of "landslide" is being rewritten.
James2001 is online now  
Old 17-12-2016, 21:24
Dotheboyshall
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 9,328
The definition of "landslide" is being rewritten.
2016 - 306 Electoral College votes (trump)
2012 - 332 (Obama)
2008 - 365 (Obama)
2004 - 286 (Bush II)
2000 - 271 (Bush II)
1996 - 379 (Clinton)
1992 - 370 (Clinton)

So by recent Republican standards it was a landslide
Dotheboyshall is offline  
Old 17-12-2016, 22:18
njp
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 21,646
Not a chance. It will be president Trump, thank god! Come January the work can begin to make America great again
But how long before the ridiculous clown gets himself impeached?
njp is offline  
Old 17-12-2016, 22:28
batdude_uk1
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 69,237
I realise that Trump supporters aren't familiar with the concept, or more likely just pretend not to be.

It means governing with the support of the majority of the people, rather than without their consent.


In electoral college terms he won but not by much, certainly not remotely by a landslide. In popular vote terms he lost by a considerable amount.
The popular vote is totally irrelevant, the only way to judge if anyone, Republican, Democrat, anyone, has won is by looking at the electoral college results, and Trump win that very easily indeed.
He is governing with the support of both sets of government, the House and the Senate, quite how much more he needs to have to be in your idea of all the people I don't know.
He won by every margin that is worth looking at.
I am not a Trump supporter as I am not allowed to vote in the election, being English, but I am just saying what has to be said.
batdude_uk1 is offline  
Old 17-12-2016, 22:30
batdude_uk1
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 69,237
But how long before the ridiculous clown gets himself impeached?
If he does, then Pence would become President, how many people would want that?

So all those people that are against Trump, might want to rethink their stance, as Pence being in charge might just actually be far worse of a situation to be in.
batdude_uk1 is offline  
Old 17-12-2016, 22:33
Dotheboyshall
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 9,328
If he does, then Pence would become President, how many people would want that?

So all those people that are against Trump, might want to rethink their stance, as Pence being in charge might just actually be far worse of a situation to be in.
As I keep saying, trump was the least worst option
Dotheboyshall is offline  
Old 17-12-2016, 23:03
batdude_uk1
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 69,237
As I keep saying, trump was the least worst option
Among all of the outrage at Trump, and the calls for him to be impeached etc, people forget that if he was, it would be Pence in charge and not Hillary, so this is very much a case of, beware what you wish for.
batdude_uk1 is offline  
Old 17-12-2016, 23:11
bollywood
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 35,382
Including trump who said “The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.”
Well there you go. Even he said it.
bollywood is online now  
Old 17-12-2016, 23:13
James2001
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 27,530
Well there you go. Even he said it.
Ahh, but that was before it worked in his favour Now he likes it. And so do his supporters.
James2001 is online now  
Old 17-12-2016, 23:13
bollywood
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 35,382
You don't realise what side of the argument I'm on do you?

I was referring to the Trump supporters on here who are telling people to shut up about Hillary losing the popular vote, but would inevitably be VERY vocally moaning if Trump was the one in that position.

And why would the republicans have moaned the past 8 years? They lost the popular vote as well as the electoral college- what grounds would they have to complain? Whereas Hillary's won the popular vote for 3 million- which is a big margin- much bigger than the population of several states. It's amusing Trump supporters are happy to brush such a big discrepancy between the popular vote and electoral college aside.
It is a big margin. And all those people who voted were U.S. citizens.
bollywood is online now  
Old 17-12-2016, 23:17
James2001
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 27,530
It is a big margin. And all those people who voted were U.S. citizens.
Not according to Trump
James2001 is online now  
Old 17-12-2016, 23:49
Ragnarok
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: too close to Hell, Londonistan
Posts: 4,570
But how long before the ridiculous clown gets himself impeached?
By Obama's standard it's impossible. If we count using the IRS as a weapon, fast and furious, Bengazi, killing Americans with drones, criminalising journalism, the war on whistle-blowers, refusing to secure the borders, Aiding and Abetting known enemies of the USA, many Constitutional offences carried out under the directives of the president . Maybe the only reason it has not been pressed is because the alternative would be even worse.... Joe Biden!!!


People also need to remember, The electoral college system for the presidency is exactly the number of seats in the House of congress which goes to an more populous method bigger the state the more seats in congress and the Senate which has the same number of representative per state no matter how big or small. it a combination system. it a fair system to balance the representation of the states and the people best , in order to help prevent mob rule.
Ragnarok is offline  
Old 18-12-2016, 04:47
mimik1uk
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 21,813
are we sure its not Trump's 10 year old son thats controlling his twitter account ?

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 4h

We should tell China that we don't want the drone they stole back.- let them keep it!
12,418 replies . 7,073 retweets 23,210 likes
mimik1uk is online now  
Old 18-12-2016, 05:05
thenetworkbabe
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 34,231
But how long before the ridiculous clown gets himself impeached?
He looks like committing an impeachable offence on a daily basis. He was tweeting about some commercial issue the other day. His boys are still attending meetings that may cross the line between state and commercial interests., and Ivanka is still minding him, and gsining access by her connection to him - while still carrying on her commercial roles. The Republicans won't impeach him, but he could end up in endless investigations, and court cases, if other companies think there's unfair competition going on.

He's also indicating what may happen when his temper, lack of knowledge, and twitter addiction, hit international politics. He tweets, China takes milittary action to tell him where to shove his tweet, He overacts to his pride being tweaked. You can see Congress wishing the Constitution gave them a vote of no confidence option everytime one of these exchanges starts to look dangerous.
thenetworkbabe is offline  
Old 18-12-2016, 06:01
Bob Paisley
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,892
If he does, then Pence would become President, how many people would want that?

So all those people that are against Trump, might want to rethink their stance, as Pence being in charge might just actually be far worse of a situation to be in.
I'm sure Pence would be absolutely horrendous - but he would at least be horrendous within normal political parameters. Pence would be the normal awful, right-wing Republican president. But we've survived them in the past and no doubt we would survive them again.

The problem with Trump is he's so unpredictable. He might turn out to be a tolerably interesting, left-field sort of president, who actually does some okay things. Or he may turn out to be a disaster of historic proportions. We just don't know.

I'm sure, in their heart of hearts, most of the leaders in the Republican Party would love having Mike Pence in the White House, as they would see him as being much easier to control. Trump's too much of a wild-card. That's why I have a gut feeling the Republicans may try to get rid of him before the end of his term in office.
Bob Paisley is offline  
Old 18-12-2016, 10:08
batdude_uk1
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 69,237
I'm sure Pence would be absolutely horrendous - but he would at least be horrendous within normal political parameters. Pence would be the normal awful, right-wing Republican president. But we've survived them in the past and no doubt we would survive them again.

The problem with Trump is he's so unpredictable. He might turn out to be a tolerably interesting, left-field sort of president, who actually does some okay things. Or he may turn out to be a disaster of historic proportions. We just don't know.

I'm sure, in their heart of hearts, most of the leaders in the Republican Party would love having Mike Pence in the White House, as they would see him as being much easier to control. Trump's too much of a wild-card. That's why I have a gut feeling the Republicans may try to get rid of him before the end of his term in office.
If Trump could turn out to be a tolerable, and interesting President, isn't it worth giving him the chance to prove that?

I just don't get why people are not willing to at least give him a chance to prove himself one way or the other.

If he becomes a terrible President, then fine take action then, but to demonstrate etc on the assumption that he will be bad, just seems wrong and backwards to me.
batdude_uk1 is offline  
Old 18-12-2016, 10:27
CappySpectrum
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: UK
Posts: 1,977
If Trump could turn out to be a tolerable, and interesting President, isn't it worth giving him the chance to prove that?

I just don't get why people are not willing to at least give him a chance to prove himself one way or the other.

If he becomes a terrible President, then fine take action then, but to demonstrate etc on the assumption that he will be bad, just seems wrong and backwards to me.
It is some mentality.
CappySpectrum is offline  
Old 18-12-2016, 10:37
Video Nasty
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 217
Well there you go. Even he said it.
Hilary lost. Deal with it.

Both candidates were rubbish.

Hilary and her cultists shot themselves in the foot by demanding Trump accept the outcome if he had lost.
Video Nasty is online now  
Old 18-12-2016, 10:53
bollywood
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 35,382
Hilary lost. Deal with it.

Both candidates were rubbish.

Hilary and her cultists shot themselves in the foot by demanding Trump accept the outcome if he had lost.
We can certainly look at whether she lost in a fair fight. We would do the same in any contest, football even. You could say there was a big effort to deflate Hillary's football.
bollywood is online now  
Old 18-12-2016, 10:56
batdude_uk1
Forum Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 69,237
It is some mentality.
I don't quite get what you mean?

Is giving someone a fair chance not the right way to go about things?

Or is pre-judging someone, and presuming things the acceptable way these days?

Personally I would rather go for the former than the latter.
batdude_uk1 is offline  
 
Closed Thread




 
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 11:39.