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Do you think trump will be unpresidented by the electoral college?
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Do you think trump will be unpresidented by the electoral college?
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No..But I do think people are purposely misrepresenting the pun
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1. The people aren't going to get the president that they voted for.
2. Trump's power will be weakened by not having a moral mandate. The people are getting the President that they voted for, as he won by a landslide. |
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What is this "moral mandate"?? There is simply no such thing
It means governing with the support of the majority of the people, rather than without their consent. Quote:
as he won by a landslide.
In electoral college terms he won but not by much, certainly not remotely by a landslide. In popular vote terms he lost by a considerable amount.
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In electoral college terms he won but not by much, certainly not remotely by a landslide. In popular vote terms he lost by a considerable amount.
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The definition of "landslide" is being rewritten.
2012 - 332 (Obama) 2008 - 365 (Obama) 2004 - 286 (Bush II) 2000 - 271 (Bush II) 1996 - 379 (Clinton) 1992 - 370 (Clinton) So by recent Republican standards it was a landslide |
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Not a chance. It will be president Trump, thank god! Come January the work can begin to make America great again
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I realise that Trump supporters aren't familiar with the concept, or more likely just pretend not to be.
It means governing with the support of the majority of the people, rather than without their consent. In electoral college terms he won but not by much, certainly not remotely by a landslide. In popular vote terms he lost by a considerable amount. He is governing with the support of both sets of government, the House and the Senate, quite how much more he needs to have to be in your idea of all the people I don't know. He won by every margin that is worth looking at. I am not a Trump supporter as I am not allowed to vote in the election, being English, but I am just saying what has to be said. |
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But how long before the ridiculous clown gets himself impeached?
So all those people that are against Trump, might want to rethink their stance, as Pence being in charge might just actually be far worse of a situation to be in. |
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If he does, then Pence would become President, how many people would want that?
So all those people that are against Trump, might want to rethink their stance, as Pence being in charge might just actually be far worse of a situation to be in. |
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As I keep saying, trump was the least worst option
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Including trump who said “The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy.”
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Well there you go. Even he said it.
Now he likes it. And so do his supporters.
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You don't realise what side of the argument I'm on do you?
![]() I was referring to the Trump supporters on here who are telling people to shut up about Hillary losing the popular vote, but would inevitably be VERY vocally moaning if Trump was the one in that position. And why would the republicans have moaned the past 8 years? They lost the popular vote as well as the electoral college- what grounds would they have to complain? Whereas Hillary's won the popular vote for 3 million- which is a big margin- much bigger than the population of several states. It's amusing Trump supporters are happy to brush such a big discrepancy between the popular vote and electoral college aside. |
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It is a big margin. And all those people who voted were U.S. citizens.
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But how long before the ridiculous clown gets himself impeached?
People also need to remember, The electoral college system for the presidency is exactly the number of seats in the House of congress which goes to an more populous method bigger the state the more seats in congress and the Senate which has the same number of representative per state no matter how big or small. it a combination system. it a fair system to balance the representation of the states and the people best , in order to help prevent mob rule. |
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are we sure its not Trump's 10 year old son thats controlling his twitter account ? Quote:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump 4h
We should tell China that we don't want the drone they stole back.- let them keep it! 12,418 replies . 7,073 retweets 23,210 likes |
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But how long before the ridiculous clown gets himself impeached?
He's also indicating what may happen when his temper, lack of knowledge, and twitter addiction, hit international politics. He tweets, China takes milittary action to tell him where to shove his tweet, He overacts to his pride being tweaked. You can see Congress wishing the Constitution gave them a vote of no confidence option everytime one of these exchanges starts to look dangerous. |
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If he does, then Pence would become President, how many people would want that?
So all those people that are against Trump, might want to rethink their stance, as Pence being in charge might just actually be far worse of a situation to be in. The problem with Trump is he's so unpredictable. He might turn out to be a tolerably interesting, left-field sort of president, who actually does some okay things. Or he may turn out to be a disaster of historic proportions. We just don't know. I'm sure, in their heart of hearts, most of the leaders in the Republican Party would love having Mike Pence in the White House, as they would see him as being much easier to control. Trump's too much of a wild-card. That's why I have a gut feeling the Republicans may try to get rid of him before the end of his term in office. |
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I'm sure Pence would be absolutely horrendous - but he would at least be horrendous within normal political parameters. Pence would be the normal awful, right-wing Republican president. But we've survived them in the past and no doubt we would survive them again.
The problem with Trump is he's so unpredictable. He might turn out to be a tolerably interesting, left-field sort of president, who actually does some okay things. Or he may turn out to be a disaster of historic proportions. We just don't know. I'm sure, in their heart of hearts, most of the leaders in the Republican Party would love having Mike Pence in the White House, as they would see him as being much easier to control. Trump's too much of a wild-card. That's why I have a gut feeling the Republicans may try to get rid of him before the end of his term in office. I just don't get why people are not willing to at least give him a chance to prove himself one way or the other. If he becomes a terrible President, then fine take action then, but to demonstrate etc on the assumption that he will be bad, just seems wrong and backwards to me. |
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If Trump could turn out to be a tolerable, and interesting President, isn't it worth giving him the chance to prove that?
I just don't get why people are not willing to at least give him a chance to prove himself one way or the other. If he becomes a terrible President, then fine take action then, but to demonstrate etc on the assumption that he will be bad, just seems wrong and backwards to me. |
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Well there you go. Even he said it.
Both candidates were rubbish. Hilary and her cultists shot themselves in the foot by demanding Trump accept the outcome if he had lost. |
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Hilary lost. Deal with it.
Both candidates were rubbish. Hilary and her cultists shot themselves in the foot by demanding Trump accept the outcome if he had lost. |
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It is some mentality.
Is giving someone a fair chance not the right way to go about things? Or is pre-judging someone, and presuming things the acceptable way these days? Personally I would rather go for the former than the latter. |
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Now he likes it. And so do his supporters.
