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Mr Radio
24-10-2016
Originally Posted by Billy244:
“If it wasn't for Julia Whaley would do it for me in this slot too but seeing as I like her so much I'd prefer to see him taking over the breakfast show and moving Rossey to the weekends.

I definitely think they'll be some re-organisation there when Ruppie's helicopter lands at Talk Towers very soon.”

Cant see George Galloway staying under Murdoch's leadership surely?
Rich Tea.
24-10-2016
Originally Posted by radiodad:
“I said exactly the same thing a few weeks ago, i actually think some presenters don't actually mind not having any calls. I also quoted an article from Moz Dee explaining that for talkSPORT the strategy from the board was to have less callers on ranting and more experts and commentators. He said that he wanted to create headlines rather than have people commenting on other peoples.”

What utterly pompous poppycock!

If you want to create headlines become a leader writer on a red top. Give me an example of how TalkRadio could "create headlines" itself? Apart from the appointment of presenters, which is hardly headline status anyway - nice to see James Whale creeping into the schedule though, but I never listen top any TalkRadio in daytime no matter who it is, even if I'm able to do so. Got to be 10pm to 1am for me, his classic slot. Sorry Iain.
rocketscience
24-10-2016
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“What utterly pompous poppycock!

If you want to create headlines become a leader writer on a red top. Give me an example of how TalkRadio could "create headlines" itself? Apart from the appointment of presenters, which is hardly headline status anyway -”

It isn't pompous at all, it's an inspired vision for a speech based radio station. I mainly hate phone ins on traditional talk radio as they often consist of the same people phoning in over and over again to give the same opinion on whatever the story of the day happens to be (usually immigration). That format gets boring incredibly fast, although I notice you're a James Whale fan, so I guess that sort of tacky approach to radio doesn't bother you.

Of course there are ways Talkradio can "create headlines". The fact you appear to believe this can only be done "from the appointment of presenters" shows how limited your imagination is.
radiodad
24-10-2016
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“What utterly pompous poppycock!

If you want to create headlines become a leader writer on a red top. Give me an example of how TalkRadio could "create headlines" itself? Apart from the appointment of presenters, which is hardly headline status anyway - nice to see James Whale creeping into the schedule though, but I never listen top any TalkRadio in daytime no matter who it is, even if I'm able to do so. Got to be 10pm to 1am for me, his classic slot. Sorry Iain.”

Simple, by having guests on who are well respected people in there field, they may let things go that they shouldn't, slip up or give information that is not known and as a result makes news.

The major examples i have are from LBC, Ferrari's interview with Natalie Bennett was being repeated all over the BBC, Sky and also shared all over the internet. James O'Brien's interview with Farage the same. Ok so you occasionally do get a bit of exposure with a caller such a JOB's caller a couple of weeks ago that voted leave because of EU laws but yet couldn't name one. It still didn't get nearly as much exposure though. Phone Farage and Call Clegg also used to get regularly featured on the news as well. In all of these examples LBC was being mentioned not to mention any footage from these being plastered in the LBC logo.

If that isn't making news/headlines i don't know what is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhWvogL9dc

O and the interview i was talking about:

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““I hate it when people say talkSPORT is just an endless stream of phone-ins. It’s not. It is about content and — I’m not ashamed of using this word — journalism. Let’s break a few stories. Let’s not talk about Harry Redknapp, let’s talk to Harry Redknapp, that’s the difference.

“One of the things we got wrong at 5 Live in the early days was having lots and lots of heat but very little light, allowing people to ring in all the time and say X, Y, Z. We’re moving into a different direction now. I’m not saying it’s the death of the football phone-in but certainly talkSPORT is taking less calls now than it ever has.””

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/inte...e-7722696.html
Rich Tea.
25-10-2016
Originally Posted by rocketscience:
“It isn't pompous at all, it's an inspired vision for a speech based radio station. I mainly hate phone ins on traditional talk radio as they often consist of the same people phoning in over and over again to give the same opinion on whatever the story of the day happens to be (usually immigration). That format gets boring incredibly fast, although I notice you're a James Whale fan, so I guess that sort of tacky approach to radio doesn't bother you.

Of course there are ways Talkradio can "create headlines". The fact you appear to believe this can only be done "from the appointment of presenters" shows how limited your imagination is.”

This is a poor answer above, plus needlessly personal if I may say.

"An inspired vision", how I hate that kind of management speak. It's overblown puff.

My imagination is unlimited. I turned LBC on at 1am Monday morning and within moments the dullard overnighter on there began the immigration line - OFF instantly!

I'll give you the line I've highlighted however. Most talk based phone in radio in the UK has become far too narrow minded.

Consistently good and varied talk based radio is trickier than it seems. Maybe it IS rocket science!

Originally Posted by radiodad:
“Simple, by having guests on who are well respected people in there field, they may let things go that they shouldn't, slip up or give information that is not known and as a result makes news.

The major examples i have are from LBC, Ferrari's interview with Natalie Bennett was being repeated all over the BBC, Sky and also shared all over the internet. James O'Brien's interview with Farage the same. Ok so you occasionally do get a bit of exposure with a caller such a JOB's caller a couple of weeks ago that voted leave because of EU laws but yet couldn't name one. It still didn't get nearly as much exposure though. Phone Farage and Call Clegg also used to get regularly featured on the news as well. In all of these examples LBC was being mentioned not to mention any footage from these being plastered in the LBC logo.

If that isn't making news/headlines i don't know what is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhWvogL9dc

O and the interview i was talking about:

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/inte...e-7722696.html”

This is a very good answer above, with good examples to make your case. Thanks.

One thing I will say is do we want radio presenters getting guests into studios in order to try and entrap them into a major newsworthy faux pas as their set objective? I'm sure many try that trick already.
radiodad
25-10-2016
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
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This is a very good answer above, with good examples to make your case. Thanks.

One thing I will say is do we want radio presenters getting guests into studios in order to try and entrap them into a major newsworthy faux pas as their set objective? I'm sure many try that trick already.”

No worries, if make a point i always like to make sure it's backed up. I'm fully with you, the making headlines bit for me actually makes dull radio for me, as all you get is loaded questions aimed to trip up someone to make news. Personally i would rather hear someone expressing odd views and a good row, that to me makes better radio. I do however see why LBC and alike to it, as the exposure they get from it money can't buy.
gardensleeper
25-10-2016
Originally Posted by radiodad:
“No worries, if make a point i always like to make sure it's backed up. I'm fully with you, the making headlines bit for me actually makes dull radio for me, as all you get is loaded questions aimed to trip up someone to make news. Personally i would rather hear someone expressing odd views and a good row, that to me makes better radio. I do however see why LBC and alike to it, as the exposure they get from it money can't buy.”

I think your last sentence sums up why talkRADIO so badly needs to make some headlines - free advertising! Their launch campaign appeared to have little impact with Joe Public, they need a few newsworthy moments as described above to generate some headlines and get the public awareness up.

That said, this doesn't mean you can't do lots of phone ins too - you just need the callers in the first place. It's catch 22!

Most of the daytime output can't carry on like the way it is for ever: It's just reacting to news stories and relying on press and pr speakers to fill the airtime.
wns_195
25-10-2016
The thing I find interesting, is that a lot of people who do the media circuits are willing to take time out of their day to appear on TalkRadio. Surely the reason they do the media circuit is to reach people. It must be clear by now that TalkRadio isn't reaching a significant number of people.

In terms of how long the current output can last, assuming the managers have the patience, it can last as long as there are enough people who are willing to be gguests on the station. I think there will always be enough people who will agree to be interviewed by the station.

TalkRadio has demonstrated the sustainability of news and interviews radio. They could switch to that format full time if they wanted to, repeating some interviews from earlier in the day during the evenings.

There are other formats they could try, such as two people spending a show just talking to each other, or a format like in the USA where talk show hosts often talk without taking any phone calls because they want their shows to be all about what they think.
dpb
25-10-2016
Originally Posted by wns_195:
“The thing I find interesting, is that a lot of people who do the media circuits are willing to take time out of their day to appear on TalkRadio. Surely the reason they do the media circuit is to reach people. It must be clear by now that TalkRadio isn't reaching a significant number of people.

In terms of how long the current output can last, assuming the managers have the patience, it can last as long as there are enough people who are willing to be gguests on the station. I think there will always be enough people who will agree to be interviewed by the station.<snip>”

There will always be talking heads who are happy to be interviewed. Some of them will happily spend all day doing a number of interviews about the same subject and don’t care if it’s on an outlet with a small number of people.

I imagine the presenter’s own contact books will help getting guests - Paul Ross, Julia Hartley-Brewer and Sam Delaney in particular are well connected.

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TalkRadio has demonstrated the sustainability of news and interviews radio. They could switch to that format full time if they wanted to, repeating some interviews from earlier in the day during the evenings.

There are other formats they could try, such as two people spending a show just talking to each other,<snip>”

Like the Two Mikes?

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“ or a format like in the USA where talk show hosts often talk without taking any phone calls because they want their shows to be all about what they think.”

Similar to Steve Allen on LBC?
radamfi
25-10-2016
Jon Holmes has a semi-regular caller, Eve from Dublin, who has now been on Lonely Lunch three times, who updates us about her curious neighbour.
Rich Tea.
26-10-2016
Originally Posted by wns_195:
“There are other formats they could try, such as two people spending a show just talking to each other, or a format like in the USA where talk show hosts often talk without taking any phone calls because they want their shows to be all about what they think.”

But do British listeners really want that kind of thing? I'm not sure they do. Anyway there's podcasting to hear talk from people who want their show to be all about them and their views.

I don't listen to him but does that LBC chap Steve Allen at 4am waffle on about his own views and nothing else, taking no callers? From what I have deduced on the LBC thread he seems to do so. If it was that popular he'd not be on in the dead of night surely!
radio tuner
26-10-2016
i got stuck at work this morning and listened to the first 10 minutes of Paul Ross .what a painful experience ,btw what is a full set breakfast never heard the term before ?
Billy244
26-10-2016
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“But do British listeners really want that kind of thing? I'm not sure they do. Anyway there's podcasting to hear talk from people who want their show to be all about them and their views.

I don't listen to him but does that LBC chap Steve Allen at 4am waffle on about his own views and nothing else, taking no callers? From what I have deduced on the LBC thread he seems to do so. If it was that popular he'd not be on in the dead of night surely!”

I personally like a good mix of callers throughout a show I definitely don't like the Steve Allen on LBC approach listening to an opinionated presenter [or two presenters] banging out his/hers/their views for 3 hours it's boring.
I am very disappointed with the owners of talkRADIO for not giving the station the advertising and publicity it deserves and needs little wonder the listening figures are still so low no bugger knows the station exists.
Billy244
26-10-2016
Originally Posted by radio tuner:
“i got stuck at work this morning and listened to the first 10 minutes of Paul Ross .what a painful experience ,btw what is a full set breakfast never heard the term before ?”

I'd love James Whale there in this slot.
radio tuner
26-10-2016
Originally Posted by Billy244:
“I personally like a good mix of callers throughout a show I definitely don't like the Steve Allen on LBC approach listening to an opinionated presenter [or two presenters] banging out his/hers/their views for 3 hours it's boring.
I am very disappointed with the owners of talkRADIO for not giving the station the advertising and publicity it deserves and needs little wonder the listening figures are still so low no bugger knows the station exists.”

what your opinion on the 2 mikes ?
Fish_and_Chips
26-10-2016
Originally Posted by Billy244:
“I'd love James Whale there in this slot.”

With no callers? I sometimes get the feeling quite a few talkRADIO callers/listeners aren't up and out before 10am
Billy244
26-10-2016
Originally Posted by radio tuner:
“what your opinion on the 2 mikes ?”

I like the two Mikes but I find three hours of them with no callers sometimes a bit much, if the show aired calls it would break it up for me.
I really like the Porky Quiz and clip it every week, so far I have sixty previous editions of it.
orangeballoon
26-10-2016
talk radio as a format doesnt have to have many callers at all.
it is more about being speech not music, about guests and opinion.

the two mikes do have callers in limited spots...

it is not called phone in radio...

what talk doesnt have though is any presence.. it has taken some presenters from the "waiting to die" aimed bbc local radio network (true the ones who didnt sound like they were not trying to wake the dead like the ones that are left do) but it hasnt "turned it to 11" perhaps because it just does not have the riveting content needed to fill the time to do so.

i thought it bold to go with a "be an alternative to the main talking point" of the day on some shows... problem there is while you will win some listeners who (are loyal radio listeners) you don't attract any of the occasional listeners... and there is a reason why newspapers trumpet a controversial headline front page, it's because it is the massive pick up in customers they get when they have something "wow" to talk about. talk radio therefore missed out on that with their "be something different" on those days.
wns_195
26-10-2016
Originally Posted by Rich Tea.:
“I don't listen to him but does that LBC chap Steve Allen at 4am waffle on about his own views and nothing else, taking no callers? From what I have deduced on the LBC thread he seems to do so. If it was that popular he'd not be on in the dead of night surely!”

I don't listen to him either, but the difference is that LBC gets calls at the other times of day. TalkRadio is unlikely to increase the amount of people calling, so there is a stronger case for that station having the sort of format where the presenter spends their show telling us what they think rather than asking what listeners think.

Originally Posted by orangeballoon:
“talk radio as a format doesnt have to have many callers at all.
it is more about being speech not music, about guests and opinion.”

Talk as a format is very diverse because there is so much that can be talked about. Music as a format is also diverse.

Talk shows on independent radio in this country have generally been interactive. LBC has switched talk formats over the year, but whatever the ormat, there has still been plenty of interaction from listeners.

TalkRadio will not have much interaction from listeners, but the station will have no problem finding guests to interview.

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“i thought it bold to go with a "be an alternative to the main talking point" of the day on some shows... problem there is while you will win some listeners who (are loyal radio listeners) you don't attract any of the occasional listeners... and there is a reason why newspapers trumpet a controversial headline front page, it's because it is the massive pick up in customers they get when they have something "wow" to talk about. talk radio therefore missed out on that with their "be something different" on those days.”

TalkRadio has talked about what other stations are talking about but it has not had much impact on caller numbers. The EU referendum result week is the most obvious example. The number of callers to BBC 5 Live and LBC dramatically increased. 5 Live spent a whole day taking calls at one point. For TalkRadio, even though they were covering the referendum, it was just another typical day.
orangeballoon
26-10-2016
except as linked to above... talksport was not really a call in radio format... and sister talkradio should not be seen as being any different in format - regardless of what listeners assume... the subject is general rather than sport otherwise they are the same... a listen to people talking radio station with limited listener interaction.
orangeballoon
26-10-2016
Originally Posted by wns_195:
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TalkRadio has talked about what other stations are talking about but it has not had much impact on caller numbers. The EU referendum result week is the most obvious example. The number of callers to BBC 5 Live and LBC dramatically increased. 5 Live spent a whole day taking calls at one point. For TalkRadio, even though they were covering the referendum, it was just another typical day.”

i think you will find some presenters made it clear they were not going to talk about brexit etc when it was non stop on other stations.. but did they become a "safe place" or an "ignored place" - and i think you answered that by saying the number of calls did not increase while other stations saw record listening figures.
wns_195
26-10-2016
Originally Posted by orangeballoon:
“except as linked to above... talksport was not really a call in radio format... and sister talkradio should not be seen as being any different in format - regardless of what listeners assume...”

So why are they giving out the number and asking for calls if they don't want calls? You are not seriously suggesting that if they got 20 calls one hour during JHB's show wanting to make good points about whatever topic was being discussed, they would reject the vast majority so they could interview more guests?

If listeners are being led to assume the station wants them to call when really it doesn't, Ofcom would surely intervene.

Originally Posted by orangeballoon:
“i think you will find some presenters made it clear they were not going to talk about brexit etc when it was non stop on other stations.. but did they become a "safe place" or an "ignored place" - and i think you answered that by saying the number of calls did not increase while other stations saw record listening figures.”

My point was that it made no difference what they discussed. They didn't get many calls when they didn't discuss the EU referendum, and they didn't get many calls when they did discuss it.
Billy244
26-10-2016
Pardon me if I'm wrong but surely the definition of the word itself "talkRADIO" stands for audience participation I think too many people are standing up quite rightly as it happens for the station as it suffers from a lack of callers but the god dammed truth is they do want callers but they just can't get them because of someone's mad crazy policy on promoting a new station.
radamfi
26-10-2016
There was a simulcast between talkRADIO and Virgin between 3.52 and 3.55 this afternoon as Kate Lawler did a handover to Jon Holmes as he was doing Virgin drive straight after finishing his usual 1-4 show on talkRADIO. Kate got Jon to play a game of "Trump or Partridge". Then there was a haiku and then Jon handed over to Sam Delaney as usual.

I did wonder why "Dead or Alive" finished so early and they didn't use "the system" to calculate the score.
paulx23
26-10-2016
Originally Posted by radamfi:
“I did wonder why "Dead or Alive" finished so early and they didn't use "the system" to calculate the score.”

It's a very slow system.
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