Exactly, well said, I don't mind Steph but she would drive me mad in the house too, she can be very selfish at times!

You can't seriously compare Helen's behaviour to Johns.

Helen was vile, absolutely vile and she was vile right the way until the very end. She had moments of softness but then she'll spoil it with being pure nasty and her personal insults were NASTY.

It's obvious that she won at the back of a bookie syndicate when she got a free pass to the final in week 1. She was never a liked housemate and had rows and violent outbursts right the way through. The money task was only 5 days before the final and she again showed her true colours (I have a good memory too. )

Johnnys behaviour towards Tiffany over Davidgate wasn't pleasent, I agree and I'll be the first to say he came across badly but that was only ONE instant (no, I don't count the Darren nomination), where I think he didn't come across well. However he came across as a saint compared to Helen. Actually scrap that, Gemma came of as saint with all her tantrums compared to Helen Wood. Point being is that since then, he has shown that deep down he is and can be a good bloke. One row 'moment' would not eradicate what we have seen of him since.

This is why Aishleyne (bb7) proved to be so popular that year. Despite her unnecessary row with Nikki and Leah and acting like a brat, the viewers saw her soften throughout the weeks and different sides to her personality. This is what allowed her to come third.

I hope Johnny finishes top3. Despite his flaws - and they all have them - his is not this nasty villain-type housemate.

But he does the vast majority behind their backs

Now that's ok, it helps to keep the peace but don't fib about him.

As for not being nasty. I think he is nasty, along with gemma he's nasty.
Tiffany is a vulgar attention seeker, Stephanie is a selfish childish attention seeker, Darren is a pussy footer, Daniella is unstable and Scotty is big daft lad,
Nobody is great.

I never liked Helen however I always liked Aisleyne and I do like John. He's friend was on BBBOTS and said how sometimes he can be rude. I like multifaceted characters rather than one note bores. Just don't ask me to forget about what happened and request him to win

I just call a spade a spade.

Johnny is many things but two-faced is not one of them.

Hey gurl...... Listen gurl........gurl, gurl, gurl......

Aisleyne still remains one of my favourate ever HM's.


I wouldn't dream of it.

To each its own.

That's not what you claimed.
So you're not calling a a spade a spade, are you.

Oh but I am.

Yes I understand your point.
He was gunning for gemma and Stephanie tonight, not that I like them, but he's making sure everyone notices what a pest they both are.
And he's not popular with the HMs.

I guess we see and hear what we want. John's had enough of Steph and her behaviour. Think I would too. At least he's not trying to be her mate like Scotty T.

The big girl's blouse in the house is Darren.

This is your original claim, not true.

I agree Maggie.

Except it is.

I am sorry but I find this is nonsense, it's like a broken record now and if people had actually watched what happened when Tiffany kicked off you would realise that many of the housemates were frightened of her, especially Danniella, she was even more vocal about getting Tiffany out than John. Plus I think there was a lot of footage not shown because just about everybody wanted Tiffany out not just Danniella and John!

Yes it is true!

Why do people suddenly like STephanie? She seems like the most annoying person alive.

I thought all that moaning about Tiff by John was a desperate attempt by the producers to save Gemma and give Steph the worst possible edit with what they had available .,

& ?

John has always said Gurl, he's done it for years, this is how he speaks. He calls his female friends Gurl or Babes, is this a crime now ?

If you don't believe me take a look at his Twitter...

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&...c=typd&lang=en

As you can see it isn't a recent thing to get up Tiff's ass which a lot of John's detractors claim.

Brilliant Darcy, the voice of reason.

Actually, if you have a look at the original footage on the show, it was in fact Gemma who told Tiffany first that nobody wanted her in the house. Gemma was sitting with Jeremy in the bathroom and so was John, but it was Gemma who said it first.

Some people say they will never forgive John, but he did not actually say it first it was Gemma.

It's quite common, people invent a back story and a journey story and decide she's had a terrible time from her life and she is being picked on by house villains and has fallen in love
Bingo - zero to hero.

Oh yes, that's for sure. Darren really is a big girls blouse isn't he?

Gemma be like "hey Gew...listen Gew....Gew, Gew, gew .....

What, in an American accent?

What?